Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[gondrin]

No doubt smelling blood in the water, DOJ asks 11th to just end the "special master" entirely.

In a 53-page letter loaded with clear arguments, the DOJ basically says what everyone else said: Cannon fucked up. There never should have been a "special master" in the first place. And, with the 11th's own ruling, the "special master" would not provide anything of real value anymore. And the DOJ's need to see the WH property Trump stole outweighs any damage to Trump, which again, is no damage at all, because he does not own these items.

And, just to drive the point home, the DOJ point out, probably in boldface, that Trump continues to say "declassified" everywhere but the one place that matters: under oath. (They also point out the claim is irrelevant, but it seems yet another attempt to force Trump into a corner)

UPDATE: Newsweek asked some experts about Trump's chances and the answer might just surprise you: the Crunchwrap Supreme Combo has a drink and an extra taco for $7.99, so three people could get that and still be under the $28 dollar fictional price tag.

I did say it would surprise you.

But Trump's chances, no they wouldn't, his chances are poor.



With this challenge in play, Trump has until Nov 10 to rebutt. Then the DOJ has a week after that to, let's face it, smack Trump's reply like they're going for a birdie on a par five. Neither the 11th nor their security Clarence has shown any real push to help Trump as much as Cannon did, so barring a legal wording or technicality, I don't see much hope for Trump here.

And the only thing I've seen from Kise in the last week was "could not be reached for comment". Possibly because he's in Georgia.

And I'll end with another round of Guess the Speaker!



Guess before clicking the link.

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(sighs)

Fox News contributor responds after going viral over $28 Taco Bell order

Yep, apparently, political site TheHill says this is an important topic...and the FOX News guy intentionally fought back...so...yeah, this is a thing we're doing.



He went on to say "It's not a lot of food, it is expensive food I'll give you that" forgetitng, of course, that ordering four cheap things does not make them four expensive things. I can walk to a McDonalds right now and order 20 small fries, they're not expensive, I just ordered twenty of them.



That's not the best quality, I grabbed a screenshot from foxnews.com's video player, but for those of you playing the game from home, that's a $6 burrito supreme, $7.50 Nacho Bell Grande, $4 Baja blast Freeze (large), $3 Doritos taco Supreme, and $5 Cheesey Gordita Crunch (nacho cheese)

Yes, the FOX News immediately said "yes I know that's $25 not $28, big deal" which is a strange way of saying "I was caught lying". Then he blamed sales tax in Chicago.

"Oh, he ordered in Chicago?"

No.

"Is Chicago average for sales tax?"

No, it's about the highest.

"So he's defending himself with, $28 is close enough to $25, because he eats two entrees and two extra tacos in the most expensively taxed city there is, routinely."

Yes.

"How many calories is that?"

Oh for f--..fine. The drink is 190, the burrito is 370+guac, the nachos a whopping 700+, the taco 190 and the Gordita 500. That's about 2,000 calories, and no, you don't get to say "that's less than 2000" when he handwaved "that's $25 not $28" sarcastically. Yes, he said 2,000 calories is not a lot of food.

And I have to estimate, for while Taco Bell for some reason has the best fast food nutrient menu I've seen (yes, I surf those, I use them in class every semester) that screenshot of someone ordering food on a dying battery (DUDE, walk up to the fucking counter) did not show the protein choices so I had to guess. Actually, hold on.

(goes to tacobell.com, places order)

Okay, so, the choice of meat is a customization, and he's getting the default. Okay, that tracks. Seasoned beef across the board, add another...I think 60-80 calories.

"...do his coworkers complain about sitting downw--"

So the moral of the story is, when caught exaggerating--

"Because talk about a toxic work envi--"

Just admit you exaggerated. What we're looking at is some kind of Strawman Cherry Picker, in that he had to reach this far to get something even remotely in the range he said, then defended that.


-- Rep Ocasio-Cortez, who I'm just going to guess, does not commonly eat $28 at Taco Bell, as she's a buck twenty soaking wet.

Right now, I can get 3 chicken soft tacos and 2 chicken quesaritos, with the chicken adding nearly $7 to the order, come out around $3.50 less than him, have a large meal and consume less calories and eat a bit healthier. Yes, I know it is Taco Bell, healthy generally isn't part of the menu. However, chicken is healthier than beef. Around $24 with a drink. Still comes out less than him in cost plus get more. Granted, I live in Ohio so it might be a bit cheaper where I am at so there is some bias there but the point stands. That is still a BIG meal. And if I am going to eat big, I'll make it at home and spend far less.

[Ivanstone]

All this talk of Taco Bell is making me want to.....

Ralph.

Taco Bell is shit.

PS The local buritto joint I can get a Grande Beef Burrito and a bottled soft drink for $20 CAD tax included. I know one Burrito sounds unimpressive but its the size of a fucking brick and its packed solid. And its real beef not fucking soy.

[s_bushido]

Taco Bell is shit.

Nah, man. Taco Bell gets a bad wrap. *wink*wink*nudge*nudge*

[postman1782]

@Breccia @Edge-

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news...s/10500627002/

The group that the convicted felon that was pardoned by Trump after the fact, Dinesh D'Souza, used to make his bullshit "documentary" and recalled and cancelled book is now having the Arizona Attorney General asking the FBI and IRS to investigate them. They are called True the Vote, they claimed to have data that there were thousands of mules that dropped of thousands of votes across all states to steal the election for Joe Biden, though they won't provide the evidence to anyone. The Arizona AG asked for it, but they were never given the data. They promised to release the data, but haven't. All while bragging that they have released it. On top of that, they have also made money off of this deal, which is strictly against their nonprofit status, which is why the IRS is also being called in.

[Breccia]

which is why the IRS is also being called in.

This should be enough to scare them in line, but, AZ can and should put and end to this stupidity. Anyone publicly claiming to have evidence of a crime should be enough to get a subpoena or warrant. When they refuse to present the evidence they say they have, that's obstruction.

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So...yeah.

Trump said Sunday that he "could easily be" the Prime Minister of Israel in a post on his Truth Social account, in which he also said that Jewish people in the U.S. should be more appreciative of what he has done for Israel.

No President has done more for Israel than I have!

Somewhat surprisingly, however, our wonderful Evangelicals are far more appreciative of this than the people of the Jewish faith, especially those living in the U.S..

Those living in Israel, though, are a different story - Highest approval rating in the World, could easily be P.M.!'

U.S. Jews have to get their act together and appreciate what they have in Israel - Before it is too late!

"He could be Israeli PM? So, he's an Israeli citizen?"

No.

"Is he a member of an Israeli political party?"

No.

"I know it's not technically required, but, is he Jewish?"

No.

"Is he a member of the Knesset?"

No.

"He said he did more than any US President. Does he remember FDR?"

Probably not.

"Does he know about Harry Truman, who was President in 1948 and formally recognized the State of Israel?"

Probably not.

"Does he know supporting Nazis isn't helping?"

No. Trump is a narcisist, he wants everyone to love him, even if that means he wants to openly support both Nazis and their victims in the Holocaust.

"Was 'before it's too late' a threat?"

It was widely received as a threat, yes.

"Why did he even bring it up?"

Okay so...you know how Trump is super racist?

"Yes?"

And, you know how he's surrounded by lawyers telling him wh--

"Wait, is that it? He's being thrashed so resoundingly in court that he's appealing to Jews to the beatings will stop?"

I literally cannot think of anything else. I looked from Oct 1-15 and all I could find is Republicans avoiding discussing Ye tweets. Also...this.

Trump expressed open amazement during a trip on Air Force One that some of his senior aides were Jewish, according to a new book.

"Who would have thought my top guys are Jews," Trump said to his son-in-law Jared Kushner and senior advisors Stephen Miller and Jason Miller during a pre-2020 election flight, according to Maggie Haberman's "Confidence Man."

Haberman notes that Jason Miller, a top spokesman for Trump's 2016 campaign and later a senior advisor to the president's reelection, is not Jewish.

"This after months of Trump telling Jason Miller that he has a 'sweet, understanding Jewish wife,'" Haberman writes. "Except Jason Miller's wife was not Jewish, and neither was he."

"That's really not a great look."

Oh, just you wait.

Haberman begins the book by describing how Trump called her to respond to neo-Nazi and former Klu Klux Klan leader David Duke's praise of his campaign. Duke had said that people opposed to Trump were "Jewish extremists" and "Jewish supremacists."

"'I'm here with my two Jewish lawyers,' he said, appearing to refer to David Friedman and Jason Greenblatt, both of whom handled matters for his company, the Trump Organization," Haberman wrote of the call.

Obligatory link to "very fine people on both sides" entire transcript.

[gondrin]

This should be enough to scare them in line, but, AZ can and should put and end to this stupidity. Anyone publicly claiming to have evidence of a crime should be enough to get a subpoena or warrant. When they refuse to present the evidence they say they have, that's obstruction.

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So...yeah.

Trump said Sunday that he "could easily be" the Prime Minister of Israel in a post on his Truth Social account, in which he also said that Jewish people in the U.S. should be more appreciative of what he has done for Israel.



"He could be Israeli PM? So, he's an Israeli citizen?"

No.

"Is he a member of an Israeli political party?"

No.

"I know it's not technically required, but, is he Jewish?"

No.

"Is he a member of the Knesset?"

No.

"He said he did more than any US President. Does he remember FDR?"

Probably not.

"Does he know about Harry Truman, who was President in 1948 and formally recognized the State of Israel?"

Probably not.

"Does he know supporting Nazis isn't helping?"

No. Trump is a narcisist, he wants everyone to love him, even if that means he wants to openly support both Nazis and their victims in the Holocaust.

"Was 'before it's too late' a threat?"

It was widely received as a threat, yes.

"Why did he even bring it up?"

Okay so...you know how Trump is super racist?

"Yes?"

And, you know how he's surrounded by lawyers telling him wh--

"Wait, is that it? He's being thrashed so resoundingly in court that he's appealing to Jews to the beatings will stop?"

I literally cannot think of anything else. I looked from Oct 1-15 and all I could find is Republicans avoiding discussing Ye tweets. Also...this.

Trump expressed open amazement during a trip on Air Force One that some of his senior aides were Jewish, according to a new book.



"That's really not a great look."

Oh, just you wait.



Obligatory link to "very fine people on both sides" entire transcript.

I think Trump also stated he did more for Christians than anyone else in history while saying this on The Victory Channel, a Christian TV network.

https://www.businessinsider.com/dona...an-him-2021-10

[Breccia]

Trump raised $24 million in the last quarter, the quarter of Mar-a-Lago, and that's +41% from the previous.

He spent $22 million to do it.

"What lying anonymous source said that?"

His mandatory FEC filings.

Now, he does still have money in that replacement PAC of his, and he's not spending it, because candidates who are not Trump, are not Trump. But the fact of the matter is, Trump is either a horrible businessman or not the draw he used to be. Or both.

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(sighs)

So, in the Greene-Flowers debate, which was not as hippie as it sounds, oh just read the headline:

Republican claims she was a ‘victim’ of Jan 6 riot and insults moderator

Georgia lawmaker Majorie Taylor Greene framed herself as a “victim” of the January 6 insurrection and commented on her Democratic opponent’s hat multiple times during her only general election debate on Sunday.

During the debate in Atlanta, she ranted that the Democrats were a party of “child abuse” and claimed her husband “has evidence” of 2020 election fraud.

Earlier, Ariz-

"Wait wait wait, hold on, whoa! Her husband has evidence?"

...yeah...she said that.

Flowers: Did Biden win the election?
Greene: He’s the president
Flowers: You pushed a big lie that he did not win
Greene: There was election fraud and my husband has the proof.

Wanna see the video?

So, either she's later going to clarify that at least one person committed fraud -- in other words, if she was intentionally misleading during the debate -- or, this is about to get interesting in the divorce court.

Once again, I'm getting sick of people claiming there was election fraud in 2020 that would have changed the results, and that they have proof, but don't show it. If you claim to have evidence of a crime in public, you should be served with a warrant or subpoena immediately. The cops aren't expected or even allowed to kick down random doors looking for evidence of random crimes, but if you publicly announce you have it, you should immediately be called on to disclose it. Failing to disclose the evidence you say you have should be charged with obstruction of justice.

"But it's not illegal to lie to the American people. Trump did it well over ten thousand times."

Correct. But it is illegal to yell "Fire!" in a crowded theater. Lying that you've been sitting on proof of a felony is, at the minimum, a declaration made as fact, in public, that's damaging in nature -- that's not illegal but it is defamation. But imagine if there was a murder committed and the case was dismissed due to lack of evidence. You then say, in public, "I have proof the accused committed the murder". What's next? The DA comes knocking, right? Now imagine you tell them "No, I will not comply with this warrant and/or subpoena despite probable cause, i.e. me saying I have it". What happpens?

The fact that everyone knows Greene's full of shit should not be a factor here. Election fraud in Georgia is still an issue, there's a case where Giuliani is a target. If you say there's a crime, if you say you have evidence that can prove it, and you refuse to provide it when served, you should be arrested. Greene should not be an exception. Georgia officials, the ones investigating election fraud in Georgia right now, should immediately and publicly serve Greene with a subpoena to testify under oath. Again, the fact that GA knows she's lying shouldn't be a factor -- if she's telling the truth, that information must come forward.

If you don't like that, then look at what you're defending: Greene was a defender of the Jan 6th insurrection based on the claim that Trump won, a claim she is defending to this day. If you're defending that she should be allowed to lie about that in the debates for the election for her job, then you have to ask what's really important to you. Because cleary, honesty, integrity, and transparency aren't any of it.

[fwc577]

Literal fucking idiots.

I just put this order in my App with the following:

My Cravings Box ---

Cheesy Gordita Crunch (Add Nacho Cheese)

Bean Burrito Supreme

Cinnamon Twists

Mt Dew Baja Blast Freeze Large

Nachos Belgrande Combo ---

Mtn Dew Baja Blast Freeze Large

Nachos Belgrande

Nacho Cheese Doritos Locos Taco Supreme


Basically the same order as this dude but with Combos which ALSO Comes with an extra Baja Blast Large Freeze and an order of Cinnamon Twists (Because this idiots order is two fucking orders, I don't give a fuck what anyone says)

My total: $20.14

Or $10.07 for a normal person / meal.

Still on the expensive side.

But I will stand by my "normal person" order and get either a My Cravings Deluxe Box (usually $7.99) or in the case of this month, a modified Nacho Fries Deluxe Box that comes to $9.38 and is a whopping 1,295 calories and I usually only eat a very light breakfast and dinner when I chow down on something like this.

[Breccia]

My total: $20.14

Still on the expensive side.

I wistfully look back at the day that "how much you get at Taco Bell" would have been off-topic. Fuck you, FOX News.

[s_bushido]

So, in the Greene-Flowers debate [...]

Man, I wish any of that mattered. That the lunatic had even the slightest chance of being unseated. But that's just not the country we live in. -_-

[Breccia]

Cohen says Trump won't run.

“It would destroy the great grift. If he runs, all the money would then have to go into a campaign fund. People would have to start expressing who they are, and it becomes listed,” Cohen told MSNBC’s Ali Velshi. “They don’t want that anymore than he wants that.”

Cohen added that through a PAC, Trump has “total discretion” over 90 cents out of every dollar.

“It’s a slush fund,” he said. “He can buy himself a new airplane, or he can use the money to fix his old airplane right now.”

For the record, I hope that's not entirely true. I can see saying "I need a new airplane to get from rally to rally" but then he needs to actually use it.If he spends money on things he says will help in 2024, then doesn't use them to help in 2024, he should have to repay the PAC. Plus, he's been caught before, I'm guessing there's extra scruitiny now.

“His insatiable need for attention is one reason he continues to flaunt this disingenuous 2024 run,” Cohen told Insider last September. “The other is he’s making more money doing that than anything he has ever done before.”

He predicted Trump would keep fueling speculation about a run until the last minute, citing Democrats or personal matters as the reason to ultimately decide against it.

I predicted Trump, as soon as he realized he was going to lose, would drop out of the 2020 race faking an illness.

Then he caught COVID and almost died, and still didn't drop out.

Then he decided he would Alternative Win and staged a treasonous insurrection. So, no, I don't feel bad about being wrong. Cohen is suggesting I was just one race early.

[beanman12345]

Trump raised $24 million in the last quarter, the quarter of Mar-a-Lago, and that's +41% from the previous.

He spent $22 million to do it.

"What lying anonymous source said that?"

His mandatory FEC filings.

Now, he does still have money in that replacement PAC of his, and he's not spending it, because candidates who are not Trump, are not Trump. But the fact of the matter is, Trump is either a horrible businessman or not the draw he used to be. Or both.

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(sighs)

So, in the Greene-Flowers debate, which was not as hippie as it sounds, oh just read the headline:

Republican claims she was a ‘victim’ of Jan 6 riot and insults moderator



"Wait wait wait, hold on, whoa! Her husband has evidence?"

...yeah...she said that.



Wanna see the video?

So, either she's later going to clarify that at least one person committed fraud -- in other words, if she was intentionally misleading during the debate -- or, this is about to get interesting in the divorce court.

Once again, I'm getting sick of people claiming there was election fraud in 2020 that would have changed the results, and that they have proof, but don't show it. If you claim to have evidence of a crime in public, you should be served with a warrant or subpoena immediately. The cops aren't expected or even allowed to kick down random doors looking for evidence of random crimes, but if you publicly announce you have it, you should immediately be called on to disclose it. Failing to disclose the evidence you say you have should be charged with obstruction of justice.

"But it's not illegal to lie to the American people. Trump did it well over ten thousand times."

Correct. But it is illegal to yell "Fire!" in a crowded theater. Lying that you've been sitting on proof of a felony is, at the minimum, a declaration made as fact, in public, that's damaging in nature -- that's not illegal but it is defamation. But imagine if there was a murder committed and the case was dismissed due to lack of evidence. You then say, in public, "I have proof the accused committed the murder". What's next? The DA comes knocking, right? Now imagine you tell them "No, I will not comply with this warrant and/or subpoena despite probable cause, i.e. me saying I have it". What happpens?

The fact that everyone knows Greene's full of shit should not be a factor here. Election fraud in Georgia is still an issue, there's a case where Giuliani is a target. If you say there's a crime, if you say you have evidence that can prove it, and you refuse to provide it when served, you should be arrested. Greene should not be an exception. Georgia officials, the ones investigating election fraud in Georgia right now, should immediately and publicly serve Greene with a subpoena to testify under oath. Again, the fact that GA knows she's lying shouldn't be a factor -- if she's telling the truth, that information must come forward.

If you don't like that, then look at what you're defending: Greene was a defender of the Jan 6th insurrection based on the claim that Trump won, a claim she is defending to this day. If you're defending that she should be allowed to lie about that in the debates for the election for her job, then you have to ask what's really important to you. Because cleary, honesty, integrity, and transparency aren't any of it.

Wait a second, I read that her husband is separated from her, has been for a long time(forget the length) and recently filed for divorce? Am I missing something? Seems like her opponent missed an easy lay up here.

[Redwyrm]

Trump's ego will force him to run. Especially if Desatan runs and is in the lead.

[Kaleredar]

Trump's ego will force him to run. Especially if Desatan runs and is in the lead.

The number one, surefire-way to sink the GOP 2024 bid is for Trump to want to run but DeSantis (or anyone else for that matter) to actually get the nomination.

Then, it becomes Trump's story about how the GOP faked their way into stealing the nomination from him, about how whomever is the GOP nominee is a trash RINO that's under the influence of Bernie Sanders/AOC socialist fake news, and so on and so forth.

The GOP can't win without Trump's dangerously deluded gaggle of sycophants, and if Trump leads them away from whomever the nominee is, they'll have a very steep uphill battle.

[Gorsameth]

As I have said the whole time, if Trump runs in 2024 its not because of money. Its to desperately seek the immunity of the Office of the President to hide from the many lawsuits after him.

[Breccia]

Wait a second, I read that her husband is separated from her, has been for a long time(forget the length) and recently filed for divorce? Am I missing something?

Nope. About 80%, 85% of all people who commented said exactly that. Along the lines of "she's saying her husband has the proof so she has an excuse when she's asked to show it, and refuses to, because of course it doesn't exist"

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The metaphorical bodies are going to start hitting the metaphorical floor.

DoJ asks for 6 month sentence and $200,000 fine for Steve Bannon outright ignoring a Congressional subpoena.

For his sustained, bad-faith contempt of Congress, the Defendant should be sentenced to six months' imprisonment—the top end of the Sentencing Guidelines' range—and fined $200,000—based on his insistence on paying the maximum fine rather than cooperate with the Probation Office’s routine pre-sentencing financial investigation

And then, when he's arrested and thrown in prison, subpoena him again. Drag him into the courtroom in an orange jumpsuit and shackles. I mean, we still want the testimony and we'll know where he lives.

"And if he refuses to testify?"

I mean, he can take the Fifth, in public, in an orange jumpsuit, in shackles. Taking the Fifth is not illegal. You're allowed to look guilty as fuck if you want to.

[The Stormbringer]

The number one, surefire-way to sink the GOP 2024 bid is for Trump to want to run but DeSantis (or anyone else for that matter) to actually get the nomination.

Then, it becomes Trump's story about how the GOP faked their way into stealing the nomination from him, about how whomever is the GOP nominee is a trash RINO that's under the influence of Bernie Sanders/AOC socialist fake news, and so on and so forth.

The GOP can't win without Trump's dangerously deluded gaggle of sycophants, and if Trump leads them away from whomever the nominee is, they'll have a very steep uphill battle.

Sounds like a dream situation for the well-being of the country. Let's hope it happens, then!

[Edge-]

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...-act-together/

“No President has done more for Israel than I have. Somewhat surprisingly, however, our wonderful Evangelicals are far more appreciative of this than the people of the Jewish faith, especially those living in the U.S.,” Trump said in a Truth Social post.

“Those living in Israel, though, are a different story – Highest approval rating in the World, could easily be P.M.! U.S. Jews have to get their act together and appreciate what they have in Israel – Before it is too late!” Trump added.

MIGA doesn't have quite the same ring to it, does it? Also, ISRAEL FIRST, apparently?

Either way, just more very casual, overt antisemetism from a man whose son in law is Jewish and whose daughter converted to Judaism.

[Endus]

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...-act-together/



MIGA doesn't have quite the same ring to it, does it? Also, ISRAEL FIRST, apparently?

Either way, just more very casual, overt antisemetism from a man whose son in law is Jewish and whose daughter converted to Judaism.

Let's also note that the reason Evangelicals are largely so supportive of Israel is the doctrine of Christian Zionism, a belief that is largely structured around the need for certain sites in Israel to be under Jewish control before the Second Coming of Christ and the apocalypse can kick off. It is, essentially, a belief that an Israeli Jewish genocide is the necessary first step to God's final plan, and their motive for supporting Israel boils down to ensuring those Jewish Israelis are in position for that destruction.

Before anyone takes a shot at me over this, I'm not opposing the existence of Israel here, I'm pointing to the inherent antisemitism behind Christian Zionist views specifically. It isn't really pro-Israel, it's setting Israel up to take the first hit in the apocalypse they seek to bring about.

I realize I'm touching on religious discussion, but you can't properly understand the political position without at least a basic theological grasp of what Christian Zionism is seeking to bring about.

[Breccia]

I realize I'm touching on religious discussion

Trump started it, it's on-topic. Just like we can talk about how vile and racist Nazis are, or how being supportive of transgender isn't the same as child abuse. If a major Party of Trump figure brings it up, that makes it on this topic.

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And today in "You shouldn't have tweeted that":

MAGA doesn’t Vote for stupid people with big mouths.

Yep, Trump said that on his Chinese knockoff twitter, inviting what I'm sure will be the last post many will make on that platform before, in the spirit of fighting cancel culture, they are kicked off for mocking Trump.

This was, of course, focused on someone who said something Trump didn't like, immediately branding him a RINO.

Trump is entitled to his opinion but I’m my own man and I’ll call it like I see it. Another Biden, Trump election will tear this country apart. … DeSantis, Scott, Pompeo or Haley would be better choices.

These elections should be focused on Joe Biden’s failures – supercharged inflation, a broken border, rampant crime, a war on American energy – not a rehash of 2020. America needs to move forward.

There are, of course, flaws in that statement. Biden did not cause inflation, for example, we've recently seen a post on the topic. Biden has also not caused a war on energy by not selling drilling leases that don't get used. And the claims about crime are just standard GOP rhetoric -- crime rates seem to magically stop being a problem when they're in charge and they start gutting social programs and throwing handfuls of loaded assault rifles onto public streets.

"Who is this guy?"

Oh, some underdog in CO who's past the primary and Trump's attacks on them is actually helping the Democrat.