Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Edge-]

And Kanye is going full antisemite, calling out Soros by name and telling folks not to listen to "anyone whose check is cut by Jewish media."

No wonder he's functionally joined up with the Republican party and become a conservative star, as well as good buds with Elon. This is meat and potatoes for many Republican voters like the very nice folks that marched with Tiki torches in Charlottsville. You know, white supremacists.

[Breccia]

Another day, another Trump loss in court. Judge orders more Eastman emails released, citing fraud pushed by Trump

A California-based federal judge ordered a legal adviser to President Trump to turn over records tied to Jan. 6 to the House committee investigating the attack, finding the communications were not protected since they likely were exchanged in furtherance of a crime.

Included in the emails is evidence that Trump pushed ahead in court with voter fraud claims he knew were inaccurate — details certain to be of interest to the House select committee.

Judge David Carter ordered John Eastman, who crafted two memos for the Trump campaign detailing methods to resist certifying President Biden’s victory, to turn over some 33 documents to the House panel.

That includes eight documents the judge said related to crimes of obstructing an official proceeding and conspiracy to defraud the United States.

Carter previously found in March that it was more likely than not that Trump committed crimes as part of his plot to stay in power.

Wednesday’s ruling notes an email among Trump’s lawyers specifically related to conspiracy to defraud.

“Trump and his attorneys ultimately filed the complaint with the same inaccurate numbers without rectifying, clarifying, or otherwise changing them,” Carter wrote. “Trump, moreover, signed a verification swearing under oath that the incorporated, inaccurate numbers ‘are true and correct’ or ‘believed to be true and correct to the best of his knowledge and belief.’”

“The emails show that Trump knew that the specific numbers of voter fraud were wrong but continued to tout those numbers, both in court and to the public. The Court finds that these emails are sufficiently related to and in furtherance of a conspiracy to defraud the United States.”

This...sounds particularly specific and direct. Hey @cubby could you sound off?

[s_bushido]

she's not too dumb to know the monument's to Union soldiers

I'm not willing to give her the benefit of the doubt. I'm more willing to believe that her breathtaking stupidity is what breeds her malicious behavior. Because if she wasn't credulous and incurious enough to believe the bullshit she believes in the first place, there would be little need for these ridiculous antics.

And Kanye is going full antisemite, calling out Soros by name and telling folks not to listen to "anyone whose check is cut by Jewish media."

No wonder he's functionally joined up with the Republican party and become a conservative star, as well as good buds with Elon. This is meat and potatoes for many Republican voters like the very nice folks that marched with Tiki torches in Charlottsville. You know, white supremacists.

Honestly, shit like that might even be too much for them. At least for now. The """smart""" Republicans at least try to pretend that they aren't motivated entirely by bigotry, especially since they know how serious the antisemitic label in particular can be.

[gondrin]

Another day, another Trump loss in court. Judge orders more Eastman emails released, citing fraud pushed by Trump



This...sounds particularly specific and direct. Hey @cubby could you sound off?

So Trump responded to this in typical Trump fashion. Manchild doesn't get his way so he throws a tantrum on NotsoTruth Social.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...2c3a689767ce3f

Trump lashes out at 'disgraceful judicial system' after his much-hyped Durham probe goes down in flames

Former President Donald Trump on Thursday bitterly attacked the American legal system after his much-hyped probe into the FBI's investigation of his 2016 campaign's contacts with Russian agents went down in flames.

Days after Trump-appointed special prosecutor John Durham lost his second case before a jury in the last six months, Trump baselessly claimed on his Truth Social platform that Durham's failure was due to purported "bias" in the judicial system.

"The disgraceful judicial system was on full display yet again with the Danchenko Verdict," Trump wrote. "Durham could not get a fair shake in the Swamp of biased and partisan juries, where you are told that no Republican based or supported case can be won no matter how good it is, & judges that are so biased, unfair and angry that it is literally dangerous to be in court! I was told by many that Durham’s case was a great one but he has ZERO chance of winning in 'that Court.' Sorry Justice Roberts, but so true!"

In fact, many legal analysts believed that Durham brought weak cases against ancillary figures in the Trump-Russia investigation, and he never came close to proving Trump's baseless claims that former President Barack Obama conspired with Hillary Clinton and FBI Director James Comey to frame him after he made overtures to Russia to help him win by releasing Clinton's hacked emails.

In total, the Durham probe has lasted for three years and has produced just one guilty plea to a charge that was unrelated to the origins of the Trump-Russia probe.

Both men whom Durham indicted in his probe were acquitted at their trials.

[Breccia]

I burn a CNN point for this exclusive: Trump is finally tired of winning.

Donald Trump’s legal team is weighing whether to allow federal agents to return to the former President’s Florida residence, and potentially conduct a supervised search, to satisfy the Justice Department’s demands that all sensitive government documents are returned, sources tell CNN.

In private dis--

"Question!"

Yes?

"Wasn't a 'supervised' search what led to all this in the first place? Wouldn't an unrestricted search be more likely to satisfy the FBI?"

I mean, maybe it would be everywhere, but Trump just wants to push the narative that the FBI was planting evidence and wants one of his people present.

"...like Bobb? I mean, it didn't go well last time."

Valid. Maybe he'll have Eric Giuliani Eastman uh... Kushner Kise this time?

"Do the cops typically let the criminal dictate when and where they get searched?"

No.

"Weren't multiple stories posted on these forums alone, including some quoting Cohen, saying Trump had documents elsewhere?"

Yes.

"This is two months later. If Trump had more items at Mar-a-Lago, wouldn't he have plenty of time to move them elsewhere? He does have his own plane. What does he think the FBI is looking for?"

I mean, I guess the FBI could look? But I can't remember a time that the cops searched the same place twice, months apart, and happened because the criminal who was caught suggested it.

"This offer sounds stupid."

Pfft. You sound like Harvard Law's Prof. Tribe.

Laurence Tribe, professor emeritus of constitutional law at Harvard University, was reacting to a report from CNN that Trump's legal team is weighing up allowing federal agents back into Mar-a-Lago to conduct a potentially supervised search.

The argument is that the FBI and the Department of Justice will then see that Trump has surrendered all documents that were removed from the White House when he left office in January 2021, after several attempts to retrieve them.

"What a ludicrous offer," Tribe tweeted. "Who imagines Trump hasn't already stashed missing stuff at his other properties?"

Or, hear me out, someplace that doesn't have his name written on it in giant gold letters? If I were, somehow, to steal top secret info, I wouldn't keep it in my desk drawer. I would stash it somewhere very well hidden, that wouldn't be directly connected to me.

Okay, back to the CNN article. If I'm burning a CNN point, I might as well get the full value.

The possibility of allowing federal officials to return to Trump’s property – likely with Trump’s own lawyers present – is just one option on the table as the Trump team grapples with how best to protect the former President from legal jeopardy. No firm decisions have been made while sources familiar with the situation say Trump’s legal team is continuing to weigh how accommodating or adversarial they should be toward the Justice Department.

“It’s a risk to invite a DOJ lawyer to lunch let alone back to Mar-a-Lago,” said a person close to Trump.

In the throes of multiple legal battles and hoping to alleviate some of the pressure he is facing, Trump has recently signaled to aides and allies that he is open to a less adversarial approach toward the Justice Department – one that might swiftly resolve the records issue after weeks of contentious court proceedings, according to people familiar with the situation.

The approach comes even as Trump continues to indulge legal theories that the records he took with him at the end of his presidency are his personal property, an argument his team is making in court and that he first heard from conservative judicial activist Tom Fitton.

“The general belief in Trump World is that this is much ado about nothing and the sooner we get past it the better,” said a person close to Trump, adding that Trump has told allies he “wants to move on.”

Trump clearly doesn't know how much trouble he's actually in. Granted, I know why not, he's lived a life of privilege handed to him and has used his inherited money and power to block any consequences of his actions for decades. But he should still know that he's facing objective proof that he's guilty of multiple felonies. You don't just "move on".

At least some of the battle to secure their return has been playing out behind the scenes in a court proceeding that is under seal, according to people familiar with the situation. One potential resolution could involve the Justice Department asking a judge to issue an order compelling the Trump team to work with DOJ to arrange for another search.

Sources close to Trump said that he has become more amenable to the cooperative approach being advocated by some of his more experienced lawyers, including former Florida Solicitor General Chris Kise, who joined his legal team following the FBI search in August. Kise had faced headwinds from Trump and some of his more aggressive advisers.

As the midterm election draws closer and Trump grapples with his next political move, he and allies are eager for some relief from his web of legal troubles.

“He is worn down,” one source close to Trump said. “Getting one thing off his plate” would help him move forward.

Aww. Poor baby. Facing all those court cases makes him tired. He's sleepy. Last I checked, Trump being a frail fragile little pussy isn't enough of a reason to dismiss multiple felonies.

And for the life of me, I can't think of a reason why Trump letting the DOJ search the same building twice, would actually be something that would reduce the charges. Yes, I get that he wants to prove he didn't steal any more than what the stolen items the FBI already found. But saying "Your Honor, we should dismiss charges for that theft the cops caught my client doing, because the cops searched his house and didn't find any more stolen items". At best, this is something he could do to prevent more charges being filed.

Wait, is Trump admitting that the FBI thinks he stole more items? They'd only suspect that if more stuff was missing. Which means Trump stole it, or worse, sold or lost it.

Nothing about this offer makes any sense. I would say "even Trump can't be this stupid"...and I might yet. Trump thinks that a second search is an item of value to offer when the FBI could clearly kick in the doors of any building he's ever looked at with 11,000 probable causes they found in the first search. In what world is a second search something Trump can trade for, near as I can tell, charges being dropped? This is either a PR stunt, the most desperate act I've seen outside of an onside kick when your team is down by 4 touchdowns inside the two-minute warning, or Trump trying to run his bullying-ass business playbook on the famously by-the-book Garland.

Can anyone, even Devil's Advocate, explain why Trump thinks this has any chance of helping? Because I'm at a loss.

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So Trump responded to this in typical Trump fashion

While this is, in fact, typically Trumpian and of course seeing the world's largest fattest oldest toddler stamping his feet and yelling NO NO NO is always entertaining to watch, he wasn't responding to the Eastman thing.

Still a good read, tho!

[cubby]

Another day, another Trump loss in court. Judge orders more Eastman emails released, citing fraud pushed by Trump

A California-based federal judge ordered a legal adviser to President Trump to turn over records tied to Jan. 6 to the House committee investigating the attack, finding the communications were not protected since they likely were exchanged in furtherance of a crime.

Included in the emails is evidence that Trump pushed ahead in court with voter fraud claims he knew were inaccurate — details certain to be of interest to the House select committee.

Judge David Carter ordered John Eastman, who crafted two memos for the Trump campaign detailing methods to resist certifying President Biden’s victory, to turn over some 33 documents to the House panel.

That includes eight documents the judge said related to crimes of obstructing an official proceeding and conspiracy to defraud the United States.

Carter previously found in March that it was more likely than not that Trump committed crimes as part of his plot to stay in power.

Wednesday’s ruling notes an email among Trump’s lawyers specifically related to conspiracy to defraud.

“Trump and his attorneys ultimately filed the complaint with the same inaccurate numbers without rectifying, clarifying, or otherwise changing them,” Carter wrote. “Trump, moreover, signed a verification swearing under oath that the incorporated, inaccurate numbers ‘are true and correct’ or ‘believed to be true and correct to the best of his knowledge and belief.’”

“The emails show that Trump knew that the specific numbers of voter fraud were wrong but continued to tout those numbers, both in court and to the public. The Court finds that these emails are sufficiently related to and in furtherance of a conspiracy to defraud the United States.”

This...sounds particularly specific and direct. Hey @cubby could you sound off?

This is particularly interesting. I'm hesitant to say that it's serious enough that Trump is in deep trouble, because so far the only thing we can count on is that Trump hasn't faced any serious consequences for his treasonous lies and actions.

However, the above seems to indicate that the court has Trump dead-to-rights on perjury. I wasn't aware that Trump has actually signed a court document, up until this point it was my understanding that Trump's attorneys were signing all the filed documents for the various courts. However, there is a phrase in there, which I underlined/bolded, in which we could see Trump slip out yet again.

It seems like all the forces of truth and justice are finally closing in on him. We have multiple civilian and criminal probes that are getting down to the nitty gritty, and seem to be honing in on Trump himself, with most/all of his allies either shunning him or in jail.

[Rasulis]

I have to ask, what is with GOP voters' obsession with conmen?

Right-wing superhero movie ends 'in disaster' after $1 million in funders' cash goes missing

An attempt to make a Confederacy-promoting right-wing super hero movie has reportedly "ended in disaster" after $1 million in funders' money has gone completely missing.

The Daily Beast's Will Sommer reports that the planned movie, called "Rebel's Run," was based on a comic book character created by far-right blogger Vox Day that features a hero named Rebel who is "sometimes depicted in a Confederate flag bustier" and who fights against "a global police force hunting down freethinking conservatives."

The film's troubles started when Day, whose given name is Theodore Beale, decided to use a Utah-based firm called Ohana Capital Financial to hold the $1 million he'd raised in donations for the movie in escrow.

Beale went with Ohana because it was a rare financial institution who would do business with him given his long history of unabashed racism and sexism.

he trouble, as Sommer writes, is that Ohana appears to have been a sham institution set up by a con artist.

"Ohana was the creation of James Wolfgramm, a self-described cryptocurrency billionaire who posted pictures of sports cars that supposedly belonged to him on social media," he writes. "But in fact, according to a federal indictment filed last month, Wolfgramm’s wealth was a sham. The sports car pictures, for example, were pulled from other websites. Wolfgramm’s business also sold what were billed as high-tech cryptocurrency mining rigs — but those too were a hoax, according to prosecutors, with their screens just running on a loop to create the illusion of mine."

Day told disappointed supporters recently that their money had, in fact, gone missing while under Wolfgramm's care.

"I wouldn’t count on us getting the money back," said Day, who also baselessly claimed that the theft was part of a grander plot "intended to break our community."

[Edge-]

Ohana was the creation of James Wolfgramm, a self-described cryptocurrency billionaire

They're not sending their best, they're not sending their brightest...they're all just deeply stupid and gullible.

[Kaleredar]

I have to ask, what is with GOP voters' obsession with conmen?

Right-wing superhero movie ends 'in disaster' after $1 million in funders' cash goes missing

You know what they say about fools and their money…

Can we call the act of “losing money to a far-right con artist that immediately runs away with it” the “conservative tax?”

[Breccia]

Because he knows he's guilty and any court will find him guilty, Trump tries a legal tactic that screams "I am guilty": telling his lawyers they are not authorized to accept a subpoena for his testimony.

Last week, the committee took the historic step of voting to subpoena the former president, with all nine members of the panel voting to approve the resolution to compel him to testify about the attack on the Capitol, which the committee argues was the violent culmination of Trump's many efforts to overturn the 2020 election.

But multiple lawyers representing Trump have told committee investigators they aren't permitted to formally accept service of the subpoena on behalf of Trump, sources familiar with the deliberations say.

The subpoena is expected to be issued in short order once committee investigators learn who is formally representing Trump in the matter, and after the panel agrees to additional details regarding deadlines for Trump's compliance and the precise details of the documents they are seeking. The subpoena could be issued as soon as Thursday, the sources said.

This is, of course, a stupid idea. The DOJ has proven willing to enforce this sort of thing, and Trump has public engagements. Simply put, if none of Trump's lawyers are authorized to accept a subpoena on Trump's behalf, they'll have to pick a time and place they know Trump is.

A rally.

"Whoa whoa whoa! You're saying Garland will authorize the FBI to march up on stage?"

No, that's just my fan fiction. No, he'll have the FBI stake out the airport whwere Trump's going to land. The SS doesn't work for Trump and will actually be ordered to assist.

[gondrin]

They're not sending their best, they're not sending their brightest...they're all just deeply stupid and gullible.

Oh, they sent their best and their brightest. Best and brightest are about a bright as light in a photo development area.

[s_bushido]

Because he knows he's guilty and any court will find him guilty, Trump tries a legal tactic that screams "I am guilty": telling his lawyers they are not authorized to accept a subpoena for his testimony.

This is, of course, a stupid idea.

Doesn't he basically only have to delay until Republicans retake the House and both shitcan this committee and start impeaching Biden for riding the wrong brand of bicycle? Or am I completely off base with that assumption.

[Kaleredar]

Doesn't he basically only have to delay until Republicans retake the House and both shitcan this committee and start impeaching Biden for riding the wrong brand of bicycle? Or am I completely off base with that assumption.

Trump’s legal troubles extend far beyond the January 6th committee.

[Breccia]

Doesn't he basically only have to delay until Republicans retake the House

Around Nov 15, the committee will hand everything over to the DOJ with their strong recommendation to prosecute. And I'm not convinced the GOP is poised to take enough votes in the Senate to realistically impeach Biden, especially considering they don't have a "reason" and even some Republicans will refuse to vote without one.

[postman1782]

Around Nov 15, the committee will hand everything over to the DOJ with their strong recommendation to prosecute. And I'm not convinced the GOP is poised to take enough votes in the Senate to realistically impeach Biden, especially considering they don't have a "reason" and even some Republicans will refuse to vote without one.

Even if they won every seat up for grabs, they are 2 seats short of removing him since they need 67.

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https://www.ajc.com/politics/texts-f...K6RSKLPH2KEGE/

So, we now have texts of Marjorie Traitor Greene threatening Brad Raffensperger and his wife, we have texts of her pushing the fake electors, we have texts with her to then Senator Kelly Loeffler, and then Kelly Loeffler receiving texts from Rep. Jody Hice and Rick Allen. The problem is, Marjorie wasn't even fucking seated yet. She shouldn't be in office anymore. I hope Marcus Flowers wins.

[Edge-]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/lara-l...bel-on-newsmax

Newsmax found some too extreme even for them. Some woman named Lara Logan, who is some crazy lady talking about something related to "blood libel" and a "global cabal planning to dilute the pool of patriots in the US with 100M illegal immigrants"

“Newsmax condemns in the strongest terms the reprehensible statements made by Lara Logan and her views do not reflect our network,” the network said in a statement. “We have no plans to interview her again.”

Apparently she used to work for 60 Minutes and she's been coasting on that, "Ex-liberal journalist shares all the dirt on the liberal media cabal!" bullshit for a while. But I guess her extremism and conspiracy theories are a bit much for even Newsmax, what with the Dominion defamation lawsuit still proceeding.

[Rasulis]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/lara-l...bel-on-newsmax

Newsmax found some too extreme even for them. Some woman named Lara Logan, who is some crazy lady talking about something related to "blood libel" and a "global cabal planning to dilute the pool of patriots in the US with 100M illegal immigrants"



Apparently she used to work for 60 Minutes and she's been coasting on that, "Ex-liberal journalist shares all the dirt on the liberal media cabal!" bullshit for a while. But I guess her extremism and conspiracy theories are a bit much for even Newsmax, what with the Dominion defamation lawsuit still proceeding.

The only reason I remember her was because she interviewed Alex Honnold 11 years ago, and she was gushing over him.

[fwc577]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/lara-l...bel-on-newsmax

Newsmax found some too extreme even for them. Some woman named Lara Logan, who is some crazy lady talking about something related to "blood libel" and a "global cabal planning to dilute the pool of patriots in the US with 100M illegal immigrants"



Apparently she used to work for 60 Minutes and she's been coasting on that, "Ex-liberal journalist shares all the dirt on the liberal media cabal!" bullshit for a while. But I guess her extremism and conspiracy theories are a bit much for even Newsmax, what with the Dominion defamation lawsuit still proceeding.

Wonder if this QAnon nutter / hate / nationalism she seems to have developed can trace back to when she was assaulted/raped by an Egyptian mob in 2011 while reporting on the Egyptian revolution.

[Breccia]

Looks like this one got by me: Trump threatens to sue Pulitzer board for defamation.

As such, the members of the Board are individually liable for the publication of the Defamatory Statement.

"What? The Pulitzer board published something about Trump?"

See, that's the thing. No, they didn't. So Trump is just throwing another tantrum. The case would be dismissed in seconds.

Also, FOX News wants this case to be dismissed. They're being sued by Dominion, and their defense is "we were just reporting what Trump said". (That's also a lie, but it's what they're going with) If the Pulitzer board is liable, then so is FOX News.

"Why is he threatening to sue at all?"

He claims that they awarded the prize to the totally debunked Russia Hoax, and therefore, they defamed him.

"But it wasn't debunked."

Correct. No charges were filed, but there was plenty of evidence and even some arrests. Trump, to prove defamation, would have to prove the statement was both false and knowingly false, and this he cannot do.

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Steve Bannon gets four months in prison for being Trump's canary in a coal mine.

[Edge-]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...na/ar-AA13ehW0

Some of the classified documents recovered by the FBI from Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home and private club included highly sensitive intelligence regarding Iran and China, according to people familiar with the matter. If shared with others, the people said, such information could expose intelligence-gathering methods that the United States wants to keep hidden from the world.

At least one of the documents seized by the FBI describes Iran’s missile program, according to these people, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe an ongoing investigation. Other documents described highly sensitive intelligence work aimed at China, they said.

So...prison when?

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https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/s...blown-deadline

After President Trump blew a deadline in the Mar-a-Lago documents case, the special master called him out and gave him to the close of business today to remedy the delinquency.

Per an earlier order from the special master, U.S District Judge Raymond Dearie for the Eastern District of New York, both sides had to file by Thursday a list of unresolved disputes between them over a subset of the records seized by the FBI in its August raid.

The Justice Department filed its own rundown of the disputed documents in a timely fashion, but Trump attorney Jim Trusty seemed to unilaterally give himself four extra days to file. In a brief letter Thursday night, Trusty disputed claims that the DOJ had made about what documents that Trump wants shielded from the investigation, and added that Trump would file its full response on Monday.

Dearie wasn’t having it with the blown deadline and self-appointed new deadline. In a Friday order, Dearie said that Trump’s filings were now “untimely” and that he needed to submit his position by close of business on Friday.

Dearie’s chambers told TPM that close of business would be 6 p.m. on Friday.

Now I assume this is east coast time, so that means Trump's legal team has about 4 and a half hours to submit their list of unresolved disputes.

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https://www.cnbc.com/2022/10/21/jan-...ald-trump.html

And the subpoena for Trump to testify to the Jan. 6 committee is issued. Do they have to "serve" this? Because isn't Trump ducking getting served on other lawsuits? Seems like process servers could connect and just make it rain all at once.