1. #81621
    https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/cr...3xa-story.html

    The Nazi problem keeps cropping up for Republicans. Apparently antisemetic banners keep popping up in Florida, and Ron DeSantis appears to be silent on the issue. Just like he refused to condemn the swastika-wearing Nazi's in his state previously.

    Fuck Nazi's, now and forever.

  2. #81622
    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Hasn't found an excuse to throw it out yet, so he's stalling until he finds something that can be twisted into "Trump is beyond oversight. Not the President, just Trump."
    I mean hold out for 2 months plus(?) and its likely buried in the Republican majority House.

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    Democrats made a mistake not going nuclear and just expanding the court. Yes the Republicans would immediately do the same again if they got into power, that's the whole point. Destroy the entire institute until its unworkable and then sit down and actually talk about doing it better.
    Or keep it as a national joke, knowing Republican 'partisan cooperation' the latter is probably more likely.
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorsameth View Post
    Democrats made a mistake not going nuclear and just expanding the court. Yes the Republicans would immediately do the same again if they got into power, that's the whole point. Destroy the entire institute until its unworkable and then sit down and actually talk about doing it better.
    Or keep it as a national joke, knowing Republican 'partisan cooperation' the latter is probably more likely.
    They couldn't, they don't have the votes and Manchin and Sinema won't do shit.

    Honestly, realistically, this country needs a new Constitutional Convention...but with half the country explicitly desiring a theocratic, authoritarian, anti-democratic nation it would also quite possibly be one of the worst times imaginable for such a move.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    They couldn't, they don't have the votes and Manchin and Sinema won't do shit.

    Honestly, realistically, this country needs a new Constitutional Convention...but with half the country explicitly desiring a theocratic, authoritarian, anti-democratic nation it would also quite possibly be one of the worst times imaginable for such a move.
    Great time to create the 'Democratic states of America tho' ^^
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/cr...3xa-story.html

    The Nazi problem keeps cropping up for Republicans. Apparently antisemetic banners keep popping up in Florida, and Ron DeSantis appears to be silent on the issue. Just like he refused to condemn the swastika-wearing Nazi's in his state previously.

    Fuck Nazi's, now and forever.
    On this note, here's an article from Forward, one of the bigger news outlets that's more focused on news and issues related to the Jewish community, wondering why Republicans like DeSantis make so much about their support of Israel and the Jewish community while also doing basically nothing about the rising antisemitism and straight up Nazi's within his state.

    https://forward.com/news/522802/desa...mitism-jewish/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    On this note, here's an article from Forward, one of the bigger news outlets that's more focused on news and issues related to the Jewish community, wondering why Republicans like DeSantis make so much about their support of Israel and the Jewish community while also doing basically nothing about the rising antisemitism and straight up Nazi's within his state.

    https://forward.com/news/522802/desa...mitism-jewish/
    I've said it before, I'll say it again.

    Christian Zionism.

    Specifically, the flavor that's immensely popular among Evangelicals, specifically, with polls showing 50-80% support for the idea. And while it supports a Jewish Israel, it only does so as a marker towards the fulfillment of end times prophecy, bringing about the end of the world; it's entirely about Evangelical religious views, not Jewish, and fundamentally involves ensuring Jewish Israel is at ground zero for the Apocalypse, with all that implies.

    It can be pretty fuckin' antisemitic, is what I'm driving at.

    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/...nalCode=rers20
    https://religionnews.com/2019/07/08/...zionist-lobby/


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    "Contrary to what I was saying earlier," SCOTUS rules, "Graham testifying would be extremely bearable."

    The court’s order was a paragraph long and did not note any dissents. It said that Mr. Graham had been afforded substantial protections by lower courts, which had ruled that he did not have to testify on subjects related to his official duties.

    “The lower courts assumed that the informal investigative fact-finding that Senator Graham assertedly engaged in constitutes legislative activity protected by the speech or debate clause” of the Constitution, the order said, “and they held that Senator Graham may not be questioned about such activities.”

    But the Supreme Court’s order refused to stay rulings by lower courts that permitted questioning on other topics, and it noted that Mr. Graham remained free to object to questions that implicated his legislative activities.

    “The lower courts also made clear that Senator Graham may return to the district court should disputes arise regarding the application of the speech or debate clause immunity to specific questions,” the order said. “Accordingly, a stay or injunction is not necessary to safeguard the senator’s speech or debate clause immunity.”
    Considering nothing about trying to overthrow the election was related to any bill or law, Graham's good and fucked. Just, you know, not by his wife.

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    It's coming down to a race. Let's see which happens first:

    1) Trump announcing a 2024 run or

    2) Trump being indicted.

    Sources are telling everyone at this point that either/both could happen days after the 2022 election. Some warn against doing this, saying it would further divide the nation, which of course is Trump's fault. "You can't arrest me because people might get angry" is not a defense. It's an admission of guilt.

    We've talked about this before. Trump has a lot of baggage, such as the times he lost both popular votes, the times all his policies failed, the time he blew the COVID response, and yes, all those trials he'll have to schedule his rallies around. Trump running will also force the GOP into full cultist mode, and make the election far more about election denial and authoritarianism than actual policies. Which Trump doesn't have. The GOP is not yet ready to have someone run against Trump with any chance of winning, even DeSantis, and will let someone about to be arrested and broke run the show.

    Yes, the Party of Trump will make "they are out to get Trump" an election issue. Problem for them is, it'll be their only issue. Biden/Harris continue to get W's and by 2024 inflation will not be a major issue. Personally, I want to see what happens when Trump gets arrested on his way to the primaries.

  9. #81629
    https://www.npr.org/2022/11/02/11334...ep-circulating

    In light of the attack on Paul Pelosi, NPR takes a look at the "Alex Jones-ification" of the Republican party, and how they're all slowly turning into vile conspiracy theorists just like him. Because for them, everything is a false flag.

    The conspiracy theories also cloud the fact that the attack on Pelosi is an incident of far-right domestic terrorism, says Erin Miller, who manages the Global Terrorism Database at the University of Maryland. She is concerned that the conspiracies can be a path to radicalization, especially as the country heads into another polarized election.

    "It's just part of a broader effort to ... demonize others and to cast others in a negative light," Miller says.
    The Republican party is increasingly turning into Y'all Qaeda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Because for them, everything is a false flag.
    Even the Republican Party is ashamed of the Republican Party.

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    In the ongoing topic of "this is why judges should recuse themselves" Trump's lawyers admit that Thomas was the key by which they thought they could unlock a fascist dictatorship and overthrow the election.

    "Why would they admit that in public?"

    They didn't. They were emailing it to each other.

    "We want to frame things so that Thomas could be the one to issue some sort of stay or other circuit justice opinion saying Georgia is in legitimate doubt," Trump lawyer Kenneth Chesebro wrote in an email on Dec. 31, 2020, to John Eastman and other members of Trump's legal team.

    Thomas could "end up being the key," Chesebro also said in the newly disclosed emails, which were released by Eastman's attorneys last week to the Jan. 6 committee and obtained by Politico.

    He added that Thomas would be "our only chance to get a favorable judicial opinion by Jan. 6, which might hold up the Georgia count in Congress."
    "I think I agree with this," Eastman wrote later that morning.

    Do you even Chesebro, in another email on Dec. 31, laid out his strategy to disrupt the election certification process.

    "[I]f we can just get this case pending before the Supreme Court by Jan. 5, ideally with something positive written by a judge or justice, hopefully Thomas, I think it’s our best shot at holding up the count of a state in Congress," he wrote.
    Thomas was a potential co-conspirator. And his wife was in on it. In any reasonable, sane world. Thomas would recuse himself from any Jan 6th issues right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Thomas was a potential co-conspirator. And his wife was in on it. In any reasonable, sane world. Thomas would recuse himself from any Jan 6th issues right now.
    In any sane world him and the rest of them would be thrown on their butts for perjury which we have them committing on camera, doubly so with Kavanaugh.
    Since we can't call out Trolls and Bad Faith posters and the Ignore function doesn't actually ignore it. Add
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    to your ublock or adblock filter to actually ignore ignored posters. Now just need a way to ignore responses to them as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Even the Republican Party is ashamed of the Republican Party.

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    In the ongoing topic of "this is why judges should recuse themselves" Trump's lawyers admit that Thomas was the key by which they thought they could unlock a fascist dictatorship and overthrow the election.

    "Why would they admit that in public?"

    They didn't. They were emailing it to each other.



    Thomas was a potential co-conspirator. And his wife was in on it. In any reasonable, sane world. Thomas would recuse himself from any Jan 6th issues right now.
    All of this bullshit is extra pointless considering Biden didn’t even need Georgia to have still won. They couldn’t have “bush in 2000”’d themselves into a victory, here.
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    Kaleredar is right...
    Words to live by.

  13. #81633
    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/02/u...ash-patel.html

    Breaking News, Kash Patel given immunity in DoJ's investigation into the Mar-a-lago stolen classified documents case. He was also given a compulsion order to testify, so that he cannot at any point plead the 5th. Hopefully they ask him questions about January 6th and other investigations he is also a part of, considering he lies on Fox News about Trump asking for the National Guard, but then Christopher Miller in his testimony to the committee said Trump never asked.
    @Breccia @Edge-

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    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/02/u...ash-patel.html

    Breaking News, Kash Patel given immunity in DoJ's investigation into the Mar-a-lago stolen classified documents case. He was also given a compulsion order to testify, so that he cannot at any point plead the 5th. Hopefully they ask him questions about January 6th and other investigations he is also a part of, considering he lies on Fox News about Trump asking for the National Guard, but then Christopher Miller in his testimony to the committee said Trump never asked.
    @Breccia @Edge-
    Could be the "mole" in Trump's orbit if he's being granted immunity >.>

  15. #81635
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Could be the "mole" in Trump's orbit if he's being granted immunity >.>
    Oh, he's been a very vocal Trump supporter, lying his way through right wing media, but the fact that he accepted immunity and this, means he isn't going to be for very long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    Oh, he's been a very vocal Trump supporter, lying his way through right wing media, but the fact that he accepted immunity and this, means he isn't going to be for very long.
    That doesn't discount him from being a "mole", that's how moles operate usually.

    It's a longshot chance and I'm not super serious about it but...it seems somewhat possible given that we've had reports of a "mole" tipping off the feds on some of this information.

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    I was going to have some witty copy for this, but honestly I don't think I could do any better than the author of this piece, Liz Dye - https://abovethelaw.com/2022/11/john...-this-morning/

    Yesterday the January 6 Select Committee argued to the Ninth Circuit that it should not grant Trump’s coup lawyer John Eastman a stay on disclosure of eight contested emails. Tonight, he’ll docket his response demanding that the committee burn any copies and pretend they never saw them.

    Which is objectively hilarious since Politico published the emails hours ago, thanks to Eastman’s dimwitted failure to disable the Dropbox link he used to forward them to the committee. So when the committee attached the email where Eastman’s lawyer said that he intended to seek a stay from the Ninth Circuit and invited the recipient to pretend that such a motion had not only been filed, but also granted, reporters just clicked on the link and got ’em.

    The link has since been deactivated — better late than never! But since those emails have now been widely disseminated, it would seem there’s very little left for the appellate court to enjoin, and any claim of attorney-client privilege is mooted. Accepting of course the premise that there was ever anything to enjoin, since the toothpaste was pretty clearly out of the tube the minute Eastman’s lawyer hit send anyway.

    But now that we’ve all seen the emails, we can certainly understand why Trump’s lawyer was so hot to claw them back … once he returned from vacation and looked at the calendar.

    In his order to release the documents, Judge Carter ruled that “the crime-fraud exception [to attorney-client privilege] applies to a number of emails related to President Trump and Dr. Eastman’s (1) court efforts to delay or disrupt the January 6 vote; and (2) their knowing misrepresentation of voter fraud numbers in Georgia when seeking to overturn the election results in federal court.”

    The trial judge ruled that “President Trump filed certain lawsuits not to obtain legal relief, but to disrupt or delay the January 6 congressional proceedings through the courts,” conduct which he had already found more likely than not amounted to criminal obstruction of congress. And indeed the emails do reveal an effort to get the Supreme Court to at least preliminarily enjoin certification of the electors as a pretext to allow the swing state legislators, particularly in Georgia, to convene and claw back the electoral votes legitimately won by Joe Biden.

    “The point is to have the court say that probably the election was void, which ought to be enough to prevent the Senate from counting the Biden electoral votes from Georgia, right?” Trump lawyer Kenneth Chesebro wrote early on the morning on December 31, 2020. “Merely having this case pending before the Supreme Court, not ruled on, might be enough to delay consideration of Georgia, particularly if [Mike] Pence has the legal ability and will to insert himself, at least enough to win delay.”

    “Possibly [Supreme Court Justice Clarence] Thomas would end up being the key here — circuit justice, right? We want to frame things so that Thomas could be the one to issue some sort of stay or other circuit justice opinion saying Georgia is in some legitimate doubt,” he went on. “Realistically, our only chance to get a favorable opinion by Jan. 6 which might hold up the Georgia account is from Thomas — do you agree Prof. Eastman?”

    And although Pence never had any legal ability to unilaterally reject electors, Prof. Eastman agreed wholeheartedly. Whether that’s because he was getting the inside scoop from his good pal Mrs. Justice Virginia Thomas is not clear.

    “If the court were to give us ‘likely,’ that may be enough to kick the Georgia legislature into gear, because I’ve been getting a lot of calls from them indicating that they’re leaning that way,” Eastman responded, making it clear that the point of the litigation wasn’t judicial relief but political cover for Republican legislators.

    Later in the day, he huddled up with Trump’s personal attorneys Kurt Hilbert and Alex Kaufman to discuss the vexing problem of having the president attest to allegations in Georgia lawsuit which he knew damn well were not true.

    “Here’s the issue,” Eastman wrote. “The complaint incorporates by reference the state court challenge. Although the president signed a verification for that back on Dec. 1, he has since been made aware that some of the allegations (and evidence proffered by the experts) has been inaccurate. And I have no doubt that an aggressive DA or US Atty someplace will go after both the President and his lawyers once all the dust settles on this.”

    Which was correct! And probably should have tipped Eastman and the rest of his pals off that what they were doing was likely to land badly with various state bar and/or law enforcement officials. And yet they went ahead and did it so … here we all are.

    Good luck with that stay application, fella. And with all the rest of your legal issues. You’re gonna need it.
    rofl
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    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    Breaking News, Kash Patel given immunity in DoJ's investigation into the Mar-a-lago stolen classified documents case.
    I saw that the DOJ was considering it earlier, but not that it happened. Interesting. The DOJ would not give such a highly-involved co-conspirator immunity if they did not have specific, direct information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    "Politico published the emails hours ago, thanks to Eastman’s dimwitted failure to disable the Dropbox link he used to forward them to the committee."
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH (deep breath) MUAHAHAHAHAHA

    Wow. Imagine how dangerous these people would be if they were competent.

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    I love how the defense tends to be "The prosecution isn't allowed to have that stuff, it proves me guilty"

    I hate how that defense sometimes works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynarii View Post
    I love how the defense tends to be "The prosecution isn't allowed to have that stuff, it proves me guilty"

    I hate how that defense sometimes works.
    Trump and his allies are batting just about a perfect zero when it comes to their court motions and appeals (and the ball trump did hit ended up basically being an infield fly), so hopefully this example of yet another flagrant stall tactic will be equally unsuccessful.
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    Kaleredar is right...
    Words to live by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynarii View Post
    I love how the defense tends to be "The prosecution isn't allowed to have that stuff, it proves me guilty"
    To be fair, there is an entire Constitutional Amendment about "the government isn't allowed to have this stuff"...but yeah, it doesn't apply here.

    Team Trump is probably trying this for two reasons. One, Trump thinks life is TV. You've seen enough evidence of that, valuing his ratings more than the country's well-being while running it. Two, they really are out of useful defenses, aren't they? Trump says things like "it's declassified" but can't prove it because it's false; "it was planted" but can't prove it because it's false; "everyone else did it" but can't prove it because it's false; and none of those are said on the stand because they're not defenses, they're lies, and if he says them under oath he goes to jail for saying them under oath plus for all that stuff he did. "You aren't allowed to have that" is at least something his legal team can try that's not an objective falsehood. Considering how hamstrung Trump has made his own legal team (well, what's left of his team) by committing all those crimes and being caught, it really is a game of scraping around to see what scraps of legal options remain, like wanting mac&cheese at 2AM and having no milk, no butter, and only Swiss in the fridge.

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