Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Edge-]

https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/2022...4-6fee4a170000

Three out of four Jewish Americans voted for Democrats in the U.S. midterm elections, significantly motivated by rising antisemitism and extremism fostered by former president Donald Trump’s influence on the Republican Party.

Jews backed Democrats over Republicans by a 74-25 margin, according to a GBAO Election Night poll commissioned by J Street, with 55 percent of voters citing “the state of democracy” as their top issue while 40 percent cited abortion.

These numbers reflect the findings of the Jewish Electorate Institute poll from earlier this year that cited these as the top two issues for Jewish voters.

To this end, Jewish voters continue to overwhelmingly support U.S. President Joe Biden despite national polarization and low approval ratings. 70 percent of Jews approve of Biden, compared to the 42-percent approval among the general population.

Gee, it's almost as if Jewish Americans actually understand where the antisemitic threats are coming from.

[Twdft]

Of course. When Trump fails to win the nomination, it will only be because Democrats posed as Republicans to sabotage him since they know he's truly unbeatable (except for the times he's already been beaten).

Quick question: if you register as a Republican it is only to vote in Republican primaries to decide which candidate goes to the general election? Or does this registration also mean you are an actual member of the Republican party?

I mean you can still vote whoever you want, a bunch of Democrats registering as Republicans trying to make sure the worst candidate goes to general election doesn't sound like a bad plan.

[s_bushido]

Gee, it's almost as if Jewish Americans actually understand where the antisemitic threats are coming from.

I was under the impression that Jews in America typically voted for Democrats anyway.

I mean you can still vote whoever you want, a bunch of Democrats registering as Republicans trying to make sure the worst candidate goes to general election doesn't sound like a bad plan.

Once upon a time, Trump was "the worst candidate"...and we all saw how that turned out. Be careful what you wish for.

[gondrin]

Quick question: if you register as a Republican it is only to vote in Republican primaries to decide which candidate goes to the general election? Or does this registration also mean you are an actual member of the Republican party?

I mean you can still vote whoever you want, a bunch of Democrats registering as Republicans trying to make sure the worst candidate goes to general election doesn't sound like a bad plan.

In some states, it means what primary you will vote in as you will not be able to vote in the primary of the other party. In other states, it just means what party you will generally side with on issues and tend to vote that way. However, in the general election, you can vote for whomever you want.

[Paranoid Android]

Holly what?

The former president claims he had the Justice Department intervene in the 2018 election in Florida.

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https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status...o_vpFBatg&s=19

Link tweet with Trump screen caption.

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/s...9lJFwmqvQ&s=19

On truth social Trump states he sent FBI and DOJ to stop the ballots.

One or both might be in trouble.

[Breccia]

On truth social Trump states he sent FBI and DOJ to stop the ballots.

One or both might be in trouble.

I think Trump is lying.

Yes, that's my default call, but hear me out: he's desperately trying to discredit DeSantis and this claim, if anyone believed him, would do it.

I do believe Trump is stupid enough to blurt out evidence of a crime, but right now, I think he's just trying to get back above DeSantis in the polls. And like I just posted, I think he has some more pressing reason than petty jealousy that just happened.

Also, we already know even Barr refused to do this. I don't think the DoJ would have listened to Trump if he did give that order.

[Edge-]

Holly what?

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https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status...o_vpFBatg&s=19

Link tweet with Trump screen caption.

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/s...9lJFwmqvQ&s=19

On truth social Trump states he sent FBI and DOJ to stop the ballots.

One or both might be in trouble.

Seems trivially easy to not believe given that it's extremely likely a lie, like most of the rest of what Trump "truths".

But if not, then thanks for the public admission of a crime?

[Xyonai]

Yeah I'm firmly in the 'Trump's just full of hot air' camp on this one. Do I doubt he'd do such a thing? No. But, and maybe I'm misremembering the 2018 political climate because the last six years have been a fuckin' time sink, I don't think there was a doubt DeSantis was gonna win Florida anyway and I agree with Brecca that the DOJ - even Barr's DOJ - wouldn't do such a thing.

Like, if they did then what would have stopped them from just fucking with the 2020 elections too?

[Paranoid Android]

I think Trump is lying.

Yes, that's my default call, but hear me out: he's desperately trying to discredit DeSantis and this claim, if anyone believed him, would do it.

I do believe Trump is stupid enough to blurt out evidence of a crime, but right now, I think he's just trying to get back above DeSantis in the polls. And like I just posted, I think he has some more pressing reason than petty jealousy that just happened.

Also, we already know even Barr refused to do this. I don't think the DoJ would have listened to Trump if he did give that order.

Likely he is lying. Yet the dumbest mofo ever to post on social media

[Radux]

I think Trump is lying.

https://www.politico.com/states/flor...etails-1015772

Sounds like taking credit? Or possibly openly admitting to a crime (again).

[Xyonai]

https://www.politico.com/states/flor...etails-1015772

Sounds like taking credit? Or possibly openly admitting to a crime (again).

hold up we might be onto something.

[Radux]

hold up we might be onto something.

Right.

Either he's trying to take credit for stopping election fraud/hacking, or he's talking about his crimes in his rants again.

[Breccia]

I mean...I guess Biden could just shrug and say "Trump just admitted to a crime in public. Sorry, folks, hands tied. We're going to have to bring him in. Unless," he puts on sunglasses, "he admits he lied."

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In other news, it's time for Guess the Speaker!

Young Kin (now that’s an interesting take. Sounds Chinese, doesn’t it?) in Virginia couldn’t have won without me.

I Endorsed him, did a very big Trump Rally for him telephonically, got MAGA to Vote for him - or he couldn’t have come close to winning.

But he knows that, and admits it. Besides, having a hard time with the Dems in Virginia - But he’ll get it done!

"Who's Young Kin?"

That's a good question. I know Young Kim is a House Rep of California 40. Yes, that is Southern California, or "SoCal" as some might say. But Rep. Kim, last I checked, had no issues with Virginia Dems specifically. Also, she's a woman. And it sounds Korean, not Chinese.

Actually, I've taught my share of international students. I'm not sure I ever encountered either a Kin, or a Young, from China.

Now, there is a Youngkin (one word) who happens to be Governor of Virginia. he didn't run in 2022 which is why this post is going here, not midterms.

As shown in this article at the time, Trump was supporting Youngkin so hard, he made a phone call of slightly longer than ten minutes. Once. On Election Eve.

Glenn Youngkin is a Republican candidate. And you have so many other great people running, but he's your leader. He's your big Republican leader in Virginia and they're going to listen to him, and they're going to respect him, and you're going to see things happen in Richmond that you wouldn't have believed, especially with regard to taxes and your children's education.

"What happened with taxes?"

A law was passed that went into effect in July. Well, kinda. A lot of it is slight changes to income taxes that haven't been filed yet because the law took place in July. And the grocery tax reduction is pushed off till 2023 also. There were some $250 refunds handed out from the state's surplus, which happened in...(checks notes)...the previous two two-term Democratic governorships. Huh. State was doing well when the Democrats had a governor.

Also Youngkin didn't write the law, he just signed it. Because that's how the Executive Branch works. Local sources report that it ended up being pretty bipartisan, actually. Maybe the "trouble" Trump talked about was...this?

Making the EITC refundable was one of the main economic proposals recommended in a report released in January by a commission former Gov. Ralph Northam created to study racial inequality in Virginia and how it could be addressed. Black workers will disproportionately benefit from the change, that study found, because they account for 32% of the EITC-eligible population despite Black Virginians making up roughly a fifth of the state’s population.

“It’s a huge win for us as advocates,” Kenneth said. “But an even bigger win for low-income working families who are now going to see some relief at tax time.”

Anyhow, Trump literally phoned in his support the day before the election, and is claiming to take credit for the whole thing, and yes, this was a year ago.

Youngkin, shown here:



does not sound, or look, Chinese. I can see why Trump wouldn't like the guy -- he was a successful banker, and his only marriage is older than 4 of the six Trump bankruptcies.

So why Youngkin? Why Youngkin, and DeSantis? What's Trump up to, that he's intentionally antagonizing younger, more successful versions of himself, just a few days before Nov 14? Hmm. Quite a mystery.

Speaking of mystery, I don't know what to make of the "interesting take". Hey @tehdang you're an active poster, posting a dozen or more times a day it seems. In fact, you posted in the Midterms thread multiple times yesterday alone, often about Trump-related topics, so it would be reasonable to assume you'd be interested in this topic, and it's not like I'm calling you out of the blue when you've posted on this thread many times as well. And you're from SoCal, right? Perhaps you can explain what's going on, with Trump mangling the name of a middle-aged white male so badly it sounds like, well, your Representative? Any idea why he'd claim Youngkin "sounds Chinese, doesn't it"? Surely as a known avid Trump supporter, and very likely familiar with Rep. Kim's work, you could have some insight?

[Paranoid Android]

The racist Youngkin tweet is gold. He has popped off twice on Asians in last month or so. I just want this guy to show his colors and spew some more racist tirades. Keep up the racism Trump. I'm here for it.

Oh btw, I read a Youngkin reply to paraphrase here "no big deal, that's not how I roll". Way to take a stand there Governor.

[Poopymonster]

The racist Youngkin tweet is gold. He has popped off twice on Asians in last month or so. I just want this guy to show his colors and spew some more racist tirades. Keep up the racism Trump. I'm here for it.

Are you implying that the Asian population to Trump would be a...

Nah, I'm not making that joke.

[Edge-]

https://abovethelaw.com/2022/11/trum...-to-privilege/

There's a new Trump filing regarding "his" declassified documents -

In what at its core is a document dispute that has spiraled out of control, the Government wrongfully seeks to criminalize the possession by the 45th President of his own Presidential and personal records.

So that's interesting, now they're "presidential records", i.e. government property? No biggie then, hand them back!

Thus here, since President Trump had complete authority under the PRA to designate initially the records at issue as “personal” during his presidency, and the seized records “were not provided to the Archives at” the end of his presidency, the seized records are presumptively personal.”

So because Trump didn't hand over government documents to the NARA as legally required, he believes they're his personal property. Including the documents he "declassified" with his mind.

So they're not government documents as his filing earlier argued...they're personal documents?

Where certain documents were designated by President Trump as “personal” during his presidency, those documents remain such unless and until that designation is challenged successfully in an appropriate civil action seeking review of the process by which the designation was made. Those documents must and should therefore be returned to President Trump, acknowledging fully the deference to which he remains entitled under the PRA.

FYI - this is all fiction. The PRA is clear on this.

Thus, notwithstanding the Government’s argument it only sought records bearing classification markings, which was all the subpoena sought and Attachments A and B to the search warrant authorized, it nevertheless took the liberty to seize a spate of President Trump’s personal items, all of which lack any plausible relation to a national security investigation.

And this is a lie, since we have the FBI warrant which is for all government records. Because you know, they're government property.

I'm wondering how much longer courts are going to entertain this shit before more quickly and aggressively sanctioning these "lawyers".

[Breccia]

I'm wondering how much longer courts are going to entertain this shit before more quickly and aggressively sanctioning these "lawyers".

So Trump is claiming that he could have designated items as "personal". I...don't think that's true. Dude was caught with top secret info.

But let's pretend, for the moment, that Trump could have done that. He clearly didn't. He's claiming that, because he didn't hand them over, by default he was declaring them his own. Yeah, calling bullshit on that one, too. I'm going to guess, with the evidence of everything we've seen so far, that the declaration of "personal" is like the declaration of "declassified" in the sense that telepathy doesn't count.

Or, to put it another way: you have the right to give me your stuff. If I take your stuff and leave your house with it, I could say "Your Honor, because they didn't delcare the stuff as theirs when I took it, the default is that it's mine. Therefore, it's not stealing". Good luck with that.

[Edge-]

Man, this video is getting a lot of use lately.

https://www.tallahassee.com/story/ne...i/10671367002/

Former President Donald Trump's post-election screed labeling Florida's governor "Ron DeSanctimonious" didn't go unnoticed by Andrew Gillum or his Miami lawyers.

Trump, in an statement Thursday timed after election and before his anticipated announcement of a third White House bid, credited himself for Gov. Ron DeSantis' victory in the 2018 governor's race, when he narrowly defeated Gillum.

In addition to saying he helped "fix" DeSantis' campaign after it had "completely fallen apart," Trump said he also got the feds to intervene "when votes were being stolen" in Broward County.

David Markus and Katherine Miller, who are representing Gillum on federal public corruption charges involving donations to his gubernatorial campaign, didn't fire back at insults Trump hurled at Tallahassee's former mayor.

Instead, they cited Trump's statement in a motion filed Friday in federal court saying it further supported their request for a hearing on whether the federal government selectively prosecuted Gillum because of his race. His lawyers asked for the hearing on Election Day motions that also sought dismissals on all counts.

"Former President Trump's posts raise serious questions about how exactly Trump 'fixed' DeSantis' campaign and what Trump directed the FBI and the U.S. Attorney's Office to do, and whether there is any connection to the FBI's investigation and later prosecution of Gillum," Gillum's lawyers wrote.

In his statement, Trump alluded to fraud without offering any evidence.

"I was all in for Ron, and he beat Gillum, but after the Race, when votes were being stolen by the corrupt Election process in Broward County, and Ron was going down ten thousand votes a day, along with now-Senator Rick Scott, I sent in the FBI and the U.S. Attorneys, and the ballot theft immediately ended, just prior to them running out of the votes necessary to win," Trump wrote.

I need to get back to Costco to stock up on popcorn again.

[Breccia]

"they cited Trump's statement in a motion filed Friday in federal court"

So, how long until we have a federal judge saying "things Trump says are not only not evidence, they're probably not true"?

[Kaleredar]

So, how long until we have a federal judge saying "things Trump says are not only not evidence, they're probably not true"?

“Your honor, my client’s spoken words are to be taken as parody that no one in their right mind would believe.”