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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Meanwhile: as FOX News themselves are saying, there's a lot of chatter about Trump giving info to Putin. It fits the brand, of course, and Trump would rather pay Putin back for getting him almost elected in 2016 than live the rest of his half-life in a hospital. But what info? Nuclear secrets, sure, makes sense. Informants? Again, makes sense.

    Kompromat on Macron? That's new and interesting.
    A former Hillary Clinton aide heavily implied that former President Donald Trump had dirt on the French president and that it could be useful to Russian President Vladimir Putin, Fox News reported.

    Jennifer Palmieri, who was the director of communications for Clinton's 2016 presidential campaign, did not mention Trump or Putin by name.

    But a tweet, shared on Friday night, suggested that information on French President Emmanuel Macron, which was found during the FBI raid of Mar-a-Lago, could be maliciously used by a world leader.

    "Racking my brain here," Palmieri tweeted. "Which world leader would find Kompromat on Macron valuable?"

    Palmieri, in her tweet, appears to suggest that the information is "kompromat" —embarrassing or damaging information that can be used to blackmail or discredit public figures. There is not currently enough information on the seized file to prove or disprove this.
    "Whoa whoa whoa, this is all wild speculation."

    So are all the Trump defenses. I think this is completely fair. I mean, Trump could make this all go away. He said it was all declassified. He could just tell us what was in the documents. The fact that he isn't is his problem.
    We have barely scratched the surface on the documents there seized from Trump and we're already seeing obvious ties to Putin.

    Trump's defenses, such as they were, are indeed collapsing. The MGT's of the world will never acknowledge reality, but a lot of GQP'ers seem to be stepping away from this fiasco.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    We have barely scratched the surface on the documents there seized from Trump and we're already seeing obvious ties to Putin.

    Trump's defenses, such as they were, are indeed collapsing. The MGT's of the world will never acknowledge reality, but a lot of GQP'ers seem to be stepping away from this fiasco.
    Can anything be done to those GQP's who are stepping away if they previously supported what Trump did?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    It's not black and white, ever. Hillary was cleared. Mueller couldn't continue the prosecution because of the DoJ letter. Every single answer in the legal and law enforcement orbit is always "it depends".

    You're welcome - it will [hopefully] be an interesting problem for the Federal Department of Corrections to solve. I really hope they have to.
    Depending on which crimes are prosecuted, and which are convicted, it could be a moot point.
    I mean, a capitol offense conviction wouldn't need anyone to fatty sit them after the punishment is enforced.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain N View Post
    Can anything be done to those GQP's who are stepping away if they previously supported what Trump did?
    Not really. And, even worse, if they were supporting Trump prior to these Felony Treason charges, then they aren't smart enough to really go anywhere else other than DeSantis' camp. Frankly, we'll never be done with people who follow Trump. They are entirely detached from reality, and cannot begin to fathom an idea that they might be wrong in their viewpoints.

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    Depending on which crimes are prosecuted, and which are convicted, it could be a moot point.
    I mean, a capitol offense conviction wouldn't need anyone to fatty sit them after the punishment is enforced.
    Unfortunately, the crimes the warrant serviced weren't capital, so we won't be able to see his much-deserving fat ass on death row.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    Unfortunately, the crimes the warrant serviced weren't capital, so we won't be able to see his much-deserving fat ass on death row.
    Although it seems that former CIA Directors would disagree with me. ‘Sounds about Right’: Ex-CIA Chief Michael Hayden Implies Trump Should Be Executed for Taking Classified Docs. I would be happy to be wrong about this - seeing Trump brought up on Capital Charges would be the best case scenario here.

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    Death row takes forever. there is no way Trump would survive until his execution, he would die from old age and his horrible health first.

    And while sitting on death row he would still be under house arrest rather then in jail so... whats the difference?
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorsameth View Post
    Death row takes forever. there is no way Trump would survive until his execution, he would die from old age and his horrible health first.

    And while sitting on death row he would still be under house arrest rather then in jail so... whats the difference?
    Solitary would be the only way to ensure our country and it's secrets would be safe.
    Go ahead, appeal, drag it out for years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    They would - the charges are so clean and objective, it would be hard at this point to find a scenario in which he could effectively dodge them all. The issue of prison is a difficult one. Assuming Trump is convicted of a crime that requires jail time, I see three possible scenarios:

    1. Federal Minimum Security. Secret Service can be rotated in on regular shifts. Since all of this would be historically unprecedented, making these kinds of arrangements would be possible.

    2. Military Prison. I am least knowledgeable about how this would work. However, the security of minimum security prisons would more than likely be "better" than federal ones, and would be easier to set up whatever the Secret Service would need. Most of this option is guesswork on my part.

    3. Home incarceration. Unfortunately this is the most likely scenario. Easy, still "prison", and far more less-controversial felons have been granted this option. Stuck at Mar-a-lago with no visitors, no television, no communications.
    Couldn't we use one of those concentration camps he had built on the border that was used for illegal immigrants? Give all the immigrants in one of them green cards just to spite him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fwc577 View Post
    Trump reportedly asked Garland how he could cool things down prior to the release of the warrant. Hey Donny, how about next time you comply with the original fucking subpoena? Get fucked, bitch.
    It also seems the tiniest bit insincere when he has been fanning those flames constantly since the raid happened.

    You can't ask someone how to cool things down when your still holding the flamethrower.
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

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    Quote Originally Posted by fwc577 View Post
    Trump reportedly asked Garland how he could cool things down prior to the release of the warrant. Hey Donny, how about next time you comply with the original fucking subpoena? Get fucked, bitch.
    Well, DilDon can't hand Garland a dog with a bleeding anus and say "Can you unfuck this for me?"

    What can you do Donny?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fwc577 View Post
    Trump reportedly asked Garland how he could cool things down prior to the release of the warrant. Hey Donny, how about next time you comply with the original fucking subpoena? Get fucked, bitch.
    Effectively asking Garland to drop charges in exchange of not fanning the flames of his rabid retards should add more charges against him. What a fuck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belize View Post
    Effectively asking Garland to drop charges in exchange of not fanning the flames of his rabid retards should add more charges against him. What a fuck.
    From this year's CPAC:



    I cannot emphasize enough how that image is unedited in any way that I'm aware of. That's a real slogan they put on their banner.

    The country's on fire, and there's only one group who's holding lit matches and spraying gasoline.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    From this year's CPAC:



    I cannot emphasize enough how that image is unedited in any way that I'm aware of. That's a real slogan they put on their banner.

    The country's on fire, and there's only one group who's holding lit matches and spraying gasoline.
    It's like trying to reclaim "Nazi" as a positive term...there's just no doing it and any attempt to do so, even tongue-in-cheek, is pretty on the nose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    I cannot emphasize enough how that image is unedited in any way that I'm aware of.
    The picture is real.

    “We Are All Domestic Terrorists” was also the title of a panel discussion, it should be noted. Present on that panel was Julie Pickren, a Texas State Board of Education candidate who claimed the title was meant to be tongue-in-cheek, the Houston Chronicle reported. “Nobody in this room is a domestic terrorist,” she reportedly told the crowd of attendees.
    Of course, the room was full of Trump supporters, known insurrectionists and insurrection supporters. Oh, and they're defending stealing nuclear secrets. Until a Trump supporter says otherwise, by virtue of being a Trump supporter they also support the insurrection, which used violence to cause political change, literal terrorism.

    Unless "domestic" refers to those that only terrorize their wives and children. Of course, that Venn diagram overlap is pretty significant, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    From this year's CPAC:



    I cannot emphasize enough how that image is unedited in any way that I'm aware of. That's a real slogan they put on their banner.

    The country's on fire, and there's only one group who's holding lit matches and spraying gasoline.
    Wait...hold on. That's not a parody or anything? That's literally what CPAC has as their banner, that they chose?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    Wait...hold on. That's not a parody or anything? That's literally what CPAC has as their banner, that they chose?
    Yeah, they did.
    I know we're all surprised.
    It's a shock. I couldn't believe my eyes either.
    CPAC was honest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    This all goes back to Putin always having had leverage over Trump, from years back, like we saw in so many pieces of evidence. We'll almost never know the full story, but all the pieces point to several things having always been correct, including (and I hate to have to bring this up) the Pee Tape.

    Basically, Putin was Trump's handler. Not kidding. Totally terrifying.
    My thing is what did Trump and Putin talk about when they were both alone a few years back. That honestly needs to be out in the open. I wouldn't want Biden or any other president to have secret talks with no one around, especially one that has economic ties in some fashion to that country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gondrin View Post
    My thing is what did Trump and Putin talk about when they were both alone a few years back. That honestly needs to be out in the open. I wouldn't want Biden or any other president to have secret talks with no one around, especially one that has economic ties in some fashion to that country.
    We'll literally never know, because there are only three people who could tell us: Trump, Putin, and Putin's interpreter. And I don't think we'd view any of those three as remotely credible sources.

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    In the bizarro world of Republicans, an FBI raid on a former president over possibly illegally taking government documents, including a lot of classified information, to his personal residence results in a +10 point bump when polled against his likely primary rival.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    We'll literally never know, because there are only three people who could tell us: Trump, Putin, and Putin's interpreter. And I don't think we'd view any of those three as remotely credible sources.

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    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...44684.html?amp

    In the bizarro world of Republicans, an FBI raid on a former president over possibly illegally taking government documents, including a lot of classified information, to his personal residence results in a +10 point bump when polled against his likely primary rival.
    Nah, it makes perfect sense. In their worldview, they see it as he was taking something away from the government. Most alt-right HATE the government until they need to use it to suppress some group of people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    "Whoa whoa whoa, this is all wild speculation."

    So are all the Trump defenses. I think this is completely fair. I mean, Trump could make this all go away. He said it was all declassified. He could just tell us what was in the documents. The fact that he isn't is his problem.
    That Trump has already tried using "Obama did it too" as a deflection kind of kills the plausible deniability.

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