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    Quote Originally Posted by gondrin View Post
    Well, might as well call the lawyer that will take any case. Springfields own Lionel Hutz. However, Trump better have money as he requires a retainer.
    I read an OP ED that said, basically, that while Trump will always be able to get lawyers, we're seeing he can no longer get good lawyers. No criminal lawyer in her right mind would say "my client tells me he's turned everything over, so I will sign this federal court filing instead of him" I don't remember who it was, but they insisted that was a "you get disbarred for that"-level mistake.

    But at least she gets to keep the birdcage she found in his trash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    He can't "re-exert" privilege over documents he was caught having illegally handled, illegally retained, and illegally stored.
    Yeah, that's a point that should be brought up more. If they were under the ownership of a private citizen and not the government, that implies they are not the property of the Executive Branch and, therefore, not privileged. Trump could be admitting to a felony here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    I read an OP ED that said, basically, that while Trump will always be able to get lawyers, we're seeing he can no longer get good lawyers. No criminal lawyer in her right mind would say "my client tells me he's turned everything over, so I will sign this federal court filing instead of him" I don't remember who it was, but they insisted that was a "you get disbarred for that"-level mistake.
    With more than 40 Trump lawyers singled out for ethics complaints and even more facing charges, legal experts joke MAGA now stands for MAGA now stands for 'Making Attorneys Get Attorneys'

    For lawyers working with former President Donald Trump, legal risk is considered an expected part of the job: More than 40 attorneys who worked to overturn the 2020 election on his behalf have been hit with ethics complaints.

    The New York Times reported legal experts joke MAGA now stands for "Making Attorneys Get Attorneys," based on the reputational risk of working with Trump.

    "There's no way to adhere to your ethical integrity and keep your job," Kimberly Wehle, a University of Baltimore law professor who closely tracked investigations into the Jan. 6, 2021 attack on the Capitol, told The New York Times of the dilemma Mr. Trump's lawyers face: "There's just no way to not step into a mess."

    The 65 Project, a bipartisan effort to hold Trump-allied lawyers accountable for filing 65 lawsuits across swing states in an attempt to overturn legitimate 2020 election results, has filed more than 40 ethics complaints with their respective state bar associations against lawyers who participated in the scheme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Resurgo View Post
    As damning as this looks, "boxes" are pretty common.

    But, I'm sure the FBI (etc) would listen to any credible source that says Trump has stolen property in other locations. Cohen has been vocal about it, but can't personally verify it -- Trump fired him for doing what he asked.

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    WaPo reports that Team Trump has found another way to attack the election: tie the election workers up in so much red tape they can't do their job.

    Supporters of former president Donald Trump have swamped local election offices across the nation in recent weeks with a coordinated campaign of requests for 2020 voting records, in some cases paralyzing preparations for the fall election season.

    In nearly two dozen states and scores of counties, election officials are fielding what many describe as an unprecedented wave of public records requests in the final weeks of summer, one they say may be intended to hinder their work and weaken an already strained system. The avalanche of sometimes identically worded requests has forced some to dedicate days to the process of responding even as they scurry to finalize polling locations, mail out absentee ballots and prepare for early voting in October, officials said.

    In Wisconsin, one recent request asks for 34 different types of documents. In North Carolina, hundreds of requests came in at state and local offices on one day alone. In Kentucky, officials don’t recognize the technical-sounding documents they’re being asked to produce — and when they seek clarification, the requesters say they don’t know, either.

    The latest flood of requests began immediately after Lindell
    Yes, that Lindell.

    a prominent Trump ally, exhorted his followers at a mid-August gathering in Springfield, Mo., to obtain copies of what’s known as “cast vote records” from every election office in the country. Lindell live-streamed his “Moment of Truth” summit on his own social media platforms and got a boost of viewership from former Trump adviser Stephen K. Bannon, who broadcast his podcast from the event on both days.
    Honestly, that should be the end of it, right there. It should be clear these are disingenuous requests and treated as such. Don't like it? Take them to court. It'll take a couple months and the election will be over.

    "Surely these officials are required by the law and their job to respond."

    Yeah I'm going to stop you right there, and ask "If you called 911 on your neighbor, but told them you didn't know why you were calling or what crime you thought was happening. Then, go to city hall to request a zoning license, but that you don't know where or what kind of zone it is. Guess what happens? I'm going to counter-suggest that these same officials have some wiggleroom when dealing with unruly people intentionally wasting their time and the time of everyone else that has a legit request. Especially in the case of copy-pasted requests where it's clear that someone else is sending out marching orders, probably someone who doesn't live there, and who definitely doesn't need multiple repeated answers.

    The law might require them to answer, but I bet there's wiggle room in that, too. "We'll get that to you as soon as we can" could be a 100% honest response that still results in the request pushed back until after 2022 issues are completed.

    Federal law requires voting records be stored for 22 months. Lindell claims he's trying to preserve them. Of course, his blood is 10% cocaine, so it's safe to assume he's lying. Or, that he wants a large pile of papers to point to and say "this proves fraud" when it will do nothing of the kind.

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    So, something big is going on in Washington DC with Trump today, he was pulled off his golf course in New Jersey, still in his golf shoes and shit that he wears while golfing, put on a plane, not his plane of course since it is still not repaired, met on the tarmac by a sheriff's car, and put into a government vehicle, not a secret service vehicle.

    The problem is, he had NOTHING scheduled for DC today, especially something that would require him to be pulled off his golf course without changing.

    Right now everything is hush hush, nothing reported on media, it was broken on Twitter, and there is video of him leaving the plane still in golf shoes and golf attire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    So, something big is going on in Washington DC with Trump today, he was pulled off his golf course in New Jersey, still in his golf shoes and shit that he wears while golfing, put on a plane, not his plane of course since it is still not repaired, met on the tarmac by a sheriff's car, and put into a government vehicle, not a secret service vehicle.

    The problem is, he had NOTHING scheduled for DC today, especially something that would require him to be pulled off his golf course without changing.

    Right now everything is hush hush, nothing reported on media, it was broken on Twitter, and there is video of him leaving the plane still in golf shoes and golf attire.
    Sauce on any of this?

    https://twitter.com/PenguinSix/statu...93793223262208

    Best I'm finding is a blurry photo with people making up a story to go along with it. And theorizing he was handcuffed, but he actually wasn't.

    Waiting on something more than Twitter rumors on this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    So, something big is going on in Washington DC with Trump today, he was pulled off his golf course in New Jersey, still in his golf shoes and shit that he wears while golfing, put on a plane, not his plane of course since it is still not repaired, met on the tarmac by a sheriff's car, and put into a government vehicle, not a secret service vehicle.

    The problem is, he had NOTHING scheduled for DC today, especially something that would require him to be pulled off his golf course without changing.

    Right now everything is hush hush, nothing reported on media, it was broken on Twitter, and there is video of him leaving the plane still in golf shoes and golf attire.
    Might have something to do with the video that resurfaced of him taking all those boxes to Bedminster right after they asked him for documents.

    Especially if they had already went there and found stuff, honestly wondering what was in his ex-wife's coffin that required all those people to carry it since, I heard she was cremated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    So, something big is going on in Washington DC with Trump today, he was pulled off his golf course in New Jersey, still in his golf shoes and shit that he wears while golfing, put on a plane, not his plane of course since it is still not repaired, met on the tarmac by a sheriff's car, and put into a government vehicle, not a secret service vehicle.

    The problem is, he had NOTHING scheduled for DC today, especially something that would require him to be pulled off his golf course without changing.

    Right now everything is hush hush, nothing reported on media, it was broken on Twitter, and there is video of him leaving the plane still in golf shoes and golf attire.
    Do you have any source for this other than a Reddit thread I can't open?

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    The headline on Raw Story is Speculation Swirls. We might hear more later, or, he could have actually been meeting the Party of Trump and/or people who want the Party of Trump voters. He has been attacking his own party right and alt-right lately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Sauce on any of this?

    https://twitter.com/PenguinSix/statu...93793223262208

    Best I'm finding is a blurry photo with people making up a story to go along with it. And theorizing he was handcuffed, but he actually wasn't.

    Waiting on something more than Twitter rumors on this one.
    I didn't say anything about cuffs, but they have video of him.

    https://twitter.com/_MajorNews/statu...49426702090242

    That is him landing at Dulles, still in golf attire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Do you have any source for this other than a Reddit thread I can't open?

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    The headline on Raw Story is Speculation Swirls. We might hear more later, or, he could have actually been meeting the Party of Trump and/or people who want the Party of Trump voters. He has been attacking his own party right and alt-right lately.
    Just Twitter so far. Left wingers that follow him to report on the bullshit he does, said he had nothing scheduled in DC today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    I didn't say anything about cuffs, but they have video of him.

    https://twitter.com/_MajorNews/statu...49426702090242

    That is him landing at Dulles, still in golf attire.
    Oh nice, video.

    Cool, so now we wait to see if anything leaks, or until any announcements are made. But I see Twitter is doing their usual thing and just making up all kinds of stories, lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    he had nothing scheduled in DC today.
    Fair enough, but I'll follow @Edge- 's lead on this one. If it turns out to be anything, I won't feel bad about waiting overnight. If it doesn't, I'll feel even less bad.

    I will say, I did predict earlier that the most likely result was Biden dragging Trump into his office to say "you shut the fuck up and sit the fuck down, fatty, or I'll take the brake pads off the FBI Train and let NARA tie you to the tracks. Go ahead, Merrick My Day." Not a pardon, just a technically legal threat that Trump buys his freedom with his silence. I stand by that -- as much as I want to see the taxpayer bill for extra-small handcuffs, I don't have enough faith in the justice system to say that's the most likely outcome. But, I wouldn't expect something this blatant -- assuming the video/photos aren't faked of course -- to be that. The bargain for Trump's silence doesn't work if everyone knows Biden ordered it personally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Oh nice, video.

    Cool, so now we wait to see if anything leaks, or until any announcements are made. But I see Twitter is doing their usual thing and just making up all kinds of stories, lol.
    So far, speculation from Twitter, is that 3 indictments were unsealed, but I haven't found any actual info on it. But again, there is still no reason for him being in DC, as he had nothing on his schedule that wouldn't require him to change from golf shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Fair enough, but I'll follow @Edge- 's lead on this one. If it turns out to be anything, I won't feel bad about waiting overnight. If it doesn't, I'll feel even less bad.

    I will say, I did predict earlier that the most likely result was Biden dragging Trump into his office to say "you shut the fuck up and sit the fuck down, fatty, or I'll take the brake pads off the FBI Train and let NARA tie you to the tracks. Go ahead, Merrick My Day." Not a pardon, just a technically legal threat that Trump buys his freedom with his silence. I stand by that -- as much as I want to see the taxpayer bill for extra-small handcuffs, I don't have enough faith in the justice system to say that's the most likely outcome. But, I wouldn't expect something this blatant -- assuming the video/photos aren't faked of course -- to be that. The bargain for Trump's silence doesn't work if everyone knows Biden ordered it personally.
    Biden saying anything resembling "look Trump, lemme make a deal with you, I call off the FBI and you don't run for president" would be monumentally disastrous if word leaked that it had happened. It would basically legitimize every conspiracy about the FBI raid by means of "Biden is trying to persecute trump, it's all an FBI partisan ruse, Biden is weaponizing the FBI" and would turn the whole situation right back on Biden. Suddenly every headline is no longer "trump coming under scrutiny for X" or "new details about what Trump was hiding and how," every news article is now "Biden tried to make deal over 2024 election to call off FBI inquiry."

    Plus, Trump reneges on deals all the time. Who's to say that he "accepts" Biden's deal and then come 2024 just runs anyway?
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    Kaleredar is right...
    Words to live by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    he had nothing on his schedule that wouldn't require him to change from golf shit.
    To misquote Conway, it wasn't very good golf weather anyhow. It was arraigning all day. I'll see myself out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    To misquote Conway, it wasn't very good golf weather anyhow. It was arraigning all day. I'll see myself out.
    Here's to hoping.

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    between just joe biden vs trump in 2024, trump is going to get re-elected without a doubt.

    so the only hope people can cling to is trump gets prosecuted for some crime before those elections happen. But he always finds some way out of the worst atrocities. Contrary to Clinton's bullshit claim "no one is above the law" it's pretty obvious Trump is somehow above it. An insurrection and insider dealing on top secrets and he's still free! If that isn't being above everything in life, nothing is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    Biden saying anything resembling "look Trump, lemme make a deal with you, I call off the FBI and you don't run for president" would be monumentally disastrous if word leaked that it had happened.
    Maybe, but if it happened, it would take place in such a way Trump could never prove it happened. Dragging him to the WH in shackles 100% does not fit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    trump is going to get re-elected without a doubt.
    Link one poll from the last month that backs this up. Here's one that says Biden leads by six points. This one says he's lost the independant vote. Here's one that says almost half the US wants him arrested. The same poll says 65% of Republicans want him to run even if arrested, one might call "blind loyalty".

    So put up a poll that backs your claim, or admit you're projecting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    ho's to say that he "accepts" Biden's deal and then come 2024 just runs anyway?
    Easy. He has to announce far enough out to actually run. That's plenty of time for him to be arrested. The deal I'm suggesting is one in which Biden holds every single card.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    Biden saying anything resembling "look Trump, lemme make a deal with you, I call off the FBI and you don't run for president" would be monumentally disastrous
    I agree with this sentiment except I’d phrase it as monumentally stupid, and without the extras of “if it got out”. Whether it got out or not, it would be exactly what Trump cultist are calling it. Biden should be hands-off of the DOJ/FBI on this, regardless of the outcome whether positive or negative, and certainly should avoid having any conversations with Trump.

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