Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Breccia]

But here's the thing: the GOP actually wants Trump in jail or otherwise unable to run.

Trump advisor calls out DeSantis for ‘radio silence’ on Manhattan case

Jason Miller thanks Pence and GOP presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy for calling out our Bragg’s investigation in a tweet Sunday, but highlighted other high-profile GOP figures who have been silent.

“Thank you, Vice President @Mike_Pence and @VivekGRamaswamy, for pointing out how Radical Left Democrats are trying to divide our Country in the name of Partisan Politics,” he said in a tweet. “Radio silence from Gov. @RonDeSantisFL and Amb. @NikkiHaley.”

I.e. the two people running, including the one running officially.

McCarthy calls for no protests or violence over potential Trump arrest

“I don’t think people should protest this stuff,” McCarthy said in a press conference at the House GOP issues retreat on Sunday when asked about Trump’s statement.

McCarthy suggested that Trump was calling for others to “educate people about what’s going on.”

“He’s not talking in a harmful way,” McCarthy said. “Nobody should harm one another … And this is why you should really make law equal because if that was the case, nothing would happen.”

“If was this to happen, we want calmness out there,” McCarthy said, calling for no “violence or harm.”

So you're backed by evidence, at least. Again, the Republican Party wants to be seen by Trump supporters as a Trump supporter, and by sane people as sane. Trump supporters are making this difficult because they're increasingly insane.

[Cthulhu 2020]

I love how the narrative has shifted, all the way back in 2016 from "Trump did nothing wrong", all the way through every single version since then, up to "IF YOU ARREST AND INDICT HIM, HIS CULT WILL MAKE YOU SORRY! HE'LL BE A MARTYR FOR OUR CAUSE!"

Bros really wanna attach themselves to a criminal THAT BAD. Pathetic losers.

[BigToast]

lock him up lock him up lock him up

[Kaleredar]

I love how the narrative has shifted, all the way back in 2016 from "Trump did nothing wrong", all the way through every single version since then, up to "IF YOU ARREST AND INDICT HIM, HIS CULT WILL MAKE YOU SORRY! HE'LL BE A MARTYR FOR OUR CAUSE!"

Bros really wanna attach themselves to a criminal THAT BAD. Pathetic losers.

that's what @Kokolums schtick has been this whole time.

"If you try and prosecute Trump, his followers will come for you! You'd better just let them do what they want."

[Breccia]

No-one is above the law.

But after thinking about it, I think Trump is not actually being arrested Tuesday. Someone -- Trump, perhaps -- is feeling out what would happen if he was arrested. Trump, instigator or not, is seeing that he does not have the backup he thinks he deserves, because he's a narcisistic sociopath and thinks everyone loves Trump like Trump loves Trump.

[Doctor Amadeus]

If they go to help Trump, the go to help a traitor and even if they try and claim otherwise, that still wouldn’t change the fact they were obstructing officers in their legal duties and should be arrested and charged as such.

If Trump flees to Russia, that would kill any sway he has over the majority of the GOP outside of die hard nazis who were the swastica with pride.

He would look like a coward fleeing and to the worlds villain that the rank and file GOP have hated for generations.

Putin might accept him to snub America but for Trump to go there will cost him everything else globally for him, his family, and his name/brand.

For Trump to flee to Russia might be a line that Trump himself might rather die than crossing and admitting he is that much of a failure unless he can spin it to himself as screwing the world and getting away with it.

Then you have the world pushing that much harder to shut down Russia which might make even that home a hell for him.

I think his supporters have shown they are willing to stand by him, even if it's just for their own benefit meaning clout. He's enriched himself a bit personally, meaning Trump as far as how it would look. I think you might be right, but on the other hand Snowden did it, and he seems to have most if not all the support he has always had.

Anyways, I think this is a tactic by Trump yo rouse his base, but this will be interesting.

[s_bushido]

But after thinking about it, I think Trump is not actually being arrested Tuesday. Someone -- Trump, perhaps -- is feeling out what would happen if he was arrested. Trump, instigator or not, is seeing that he does not have the backup he thinks he deserves, because he's a narcisistic sociopath and thinks everyone loves Trump like Trump loves Trump.

If they are planning on arresting him, I wouldn't be surprised if they changed the date specifically because Trump made it public. Much better to show up a day earlier/later to avoid the worst of the cultists that will be motivated to try and defend their god-king...however many that would end up being.

[Breccia]

If they are planning on arresting him, I wouldn't be surprised if they changed the date specifically because Trump made it public.

Could be. Sending two people and a single car when there aren't any cameras would be humiliating for Trump.

[s_bushido]

Could be. Sending two people and a single car when there aren't any cameras would be humiliating for Trump.

No way they could get away with that. Regardless of when they plan on doing.

[Captain N]

So after taking 2 Excedrin before reading their gibberish, I visited a few right wing social media pages to see what their insight is on all this....

1. This is all a Deep State Scam -- Trump never admitted to being arrested.

2. The already mentioned if the "Deep State" comes for Trump the "Real Americans" will be ready to defend our President.

3. Just like the Russian Hoax he'll be acquitted of all wrong doing.

These nutcases simply do not live in reality and their stories are all over the place.

[Fugus]

I think his supporters have shown they are willing to stand by him, even if it's just for their own benefit meaning clout. He's enriched himself a bit personally, meaning Trump as far as how it would look. I think you might be right, but on the other hand Snowden did it, and he seems to have most if not all the support he has always had.

Anyways, I think this is a tactic by Trump yo rouse his base, but this will be interesting.

His supporters can show they are willing to stand by him, take a bullet for him, or give him head in the middle of Time Square, that doesn't change the facts here.

The FBI, DOJ and everyone else have been treating Trump with kid gloves this entire time, heck, their kid gloves have been wearing kid gloves. If me and you were caught with the level of qualifications he had, we would get life in prison if we were lucky.

If they actually move on him with all they have, that will be a mountain of evidence to the point that his supporters will be locked up right beside him if they try for both obstruction and rendering aid to the enemy which is what they would be doing at that point as Trump is all but beyond a shadow of a doubt proven a traitor who would sell this nation out for his own benefit and likely already did or tried to.

And Snowden fled to avoid prosecution for exposing crime with evidence and was willing to return if guaranteed a fair trial which they refused to do. That is why his kept his support.

Trump wouldn't have any of that, he didn't expose crimes, he committed them, not even his own supporters can claim he exposed crime in good faith. Trump can't claim the charges against him are fake in good faith either (He even confessed to some of them on camera previously) with the mountain of evidence he has against him. Not only that, the GOP and Fox are wanting to dump him already and have been for a while and are just looking for a good excuse. Him turning tail and running to Russia would be a proverbial "Gift From God" for them on that. He has done nothing but shed support for years now with the faithful being enough to sink the entire GOP being the only reason he gets attention. If he fled, he would be branded a coward by the rest of the party, a good portion of those faithful would take that as him abandoning them as well along with every outlet on every side of the spectrum hammering that fact home.

If Trump fled to Russia, outside of "RT" and maybe the "One America News Network " (which is double speak if I ever heard it) the only outlets that would support him would be the ones praising Nazi's or aired primarily in Turkey or China.

Trump can rouse his base if he wants, he can force it to be violent if he wants. Hell, he might be trying to force the matter because he would rather go down in a blaze of violence with his "Soldiers" defending him then over face justice. But if they come for him, his supporters would be mostly cannon fodder and not much else.

[Deus Mortis]

About time, hopefully this will be the start of politicians who commit crime actually going to jail/prison.

[Nastard]

No-one is above the law.

But after thinking about it, I think Trump is not actually being arrested Tuesday. Someone -- Trump, perhaps -- is feeling out what would happen if he was arrested. Trump, instigator or not, is seeing that he does not have the backup he thinks he deserves, because he's a narcisistic sociopath and thinks everyone loves Trump like Trump loves Trump.

I agree with that. I sincerely doubt he'll be arrested on Tuesday and it's likely just more bullshit from the Florida orange. Deep down I think he knows an increasingly large portion of the country is abandoning him, and he might just be testing the waters to see if any crocodiles even remain in his swamp. If the showing is poor, he might have to consider fleeing back to the motherland.

So if nothing happens, what does he tell the dozens and dozens of supporters that came out to "protect" him? Does he apologize for wasting their time? Nah, it turns out they WERE coming to arrest him, but the trained officers with guns were frightened away by dumpy men in wifebeaters armed with hot dog skewers. He'll take 10 minutes out of his busy schedule of eating hot pockets on the toilet to tell them all what a good job they did, but he'll need them again in the future. And their money. Especially their money. Lots of their money.

That said it'd be really fuckin' funny if they arrested him on Monday instead.

[Breccia]

A what lol?

Well first, it won't happen. Trump supporters aren't really great at planning. Remember Jan 6th when their big idea was to storm the Capitol and...???...and then profit? They did not actually HANG MIKE PENCE!

So this is a theoretical.

Second of all, the idea is to create a siege situation in which a bunch of them get arrested for obstruction or shot. Then Trump still gets arrested. Trump and Greene and tehdang and GreenJesus keep caling for a civil war, but they won't even be able to defend one building. DeSantis sure isn't going to help.

If any of them were to plant themselves in the way and resist without using force, the cops would simply call for more backup and cart them off in handcuffs in dozens or scores.

If any of them shoot at the cops/SS, something that the feds would 1,000% ensure was (a) the Trump crowd firing the first shot and (b) publicly visible, then at worst the feds return fire and kill a lot of them, the rest flee. The remaining Trump supporters who haven't been arrested yet don't have the people or firepower to stop a very motivated group of feds or cops who were prepared for exactly this. At best, Trump tries to be the hero by coming out with his tiny hands in the air, claiming the feds started the violence and he stopped it. Which, again, will be 100% contradicted by the facts, and his followers will still get arrested.

If you see the police on their way to arrest a guy, and you intentionally step in the way with the intent of blocking arrest, that's obstruction. That's a "you go to jail for a significant portion of your life" level felony. The people saying "patriot moat" are likely tehdang-like people in California or Russia, hoping other Trump supporters DO SOMETHING! while they never get involved.

All around, it's a crazy fucking stupid idea, so crazy and so stupid only a Trump supporter would give it weight. People like tehdang and GreenJesus are in a crowd that thinks ideas like this are a good idea, and until they personally directly and speciifically say so, it is reasonable to assume they agree.

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That said it'd be really fuckin' funny if they arrested him on Monday instead.

Set your DVR, everyone. First person to post the video here gets 100 quatloos.

[Shadowferal]

Trump's call for protests gets muted reaction by supporters

Seems a lot of hemming and hawwing going on.

[Flarelaine]

That said it'd be really fuckin' funny if they arrested him on Monday instead.

My team pulled that exact move in an old PBM game.

[fwc577]

The talks come as far-right forums have overflowed with ideas on how to keep Trump out of the clink—with one person suggesting Trump supporters should create a “Patriot moat” around the former president’s estate at Mar-a-Lago in South Florida so law enforcement can’t enter.

A what lol?

I hope a patriot moat means we dig a trench around Mar-a-Lago and fill it with water and let the patriots enter that water to prevent police only since it's Florida, it will likely attract gators and we've now solved two problems with 1 solution. A new habitat for gators and a reduction in "patriots".

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Trump's call for protests gets muted reaction by supporters

Seems a lot of hemming and hawwing going on.

It's because the few fucking nutjobs who would've listened are sitting in jail or awaiting trial/charges for J6 yet.

[Shadowferal]

I hope a patriot moat means we dig a trench around Mar-a-Lago and fill it with water and let the patriots enter that water to prevent police only since it's Florida, it will likely attract gators and we've now solved two problems with 1 solution. A new habitat for gators and a reduction in "patriots". - - - Updated - - - It's because the few fucking nutjobs who would've listened are sitting in jail or awaiting trial/charges for J6 yet.

That point so nailed;

Ali Alexander, who as an organizer of the “Stop the Steal” movement staged rallies to promote Trump’s baseless claims that Democrats stole the 2020 election from him, warned Trump supporters that they would be “jailed or worse” if they protested in New York City.

One of Alexander’s allies in the “Stop the Steal” campaign was conspiracy theorist Alex Jones, who amplified the election fraud claims on his Infowars show. Alexander posted that he had spoken to Jones and said that neither of them would be protesting this time around.

“We’ve both got enough going on fighting the government,” Alexander wrote. “No billionaire is covering our bills.”

Since then, about 1,000 participants have been arrested, many racking up steep legal bills and expressing regret and contrition in court for their actions. Some have complained of feeling abandoned by Trump...

[fwc577]

I just want to say, I'm absolutely loving this meltdown from the GOP.

They need two things to even have a shot at winning election.

1-Support from the MAGA crowd who will be faithful to Trump until he dies.

2-The rest of the GOP

Right now, we're seeing these two at war.

If Trump is arrested and McCarthy and DeSantis do nothing to stop this. It will be seen as a betrayal by the MAGA crowd.

If McCarthy and DeSantis stop this, they will end up losing more base GOP support.

Doesn't even take into the fact that Trump called out McCarthy with literal fucking blackmail should McCarthy not "force the investigations to end".

We are in a Mexican standoff type situation with the GOP and I hope they all fire at the same time.

[Shadowferal]

Neither McCarthy nor DeSantis can do anything.