Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Shadowferal]

Neither McCarthy nor DeSantis can do anything.

[Fugus]

They say “Patriot Moat”
They mean “Treason Trench”

[Paranoid Android]

House Republicans are gathered at a luxury resort near Disney World where House Judiciary Chair JIM JORDAN (R-Ohio) & senior GOP leaders are preparing to demand testimony from members of Manhattan DA’s Office amid reports of an imminent Trump indictment.

https://twitter.com/tribelaw/status/...os46zSFrw&s=19

Congress cannot and should not be involved in a state's investigation.

I get that some say McCarthy and others can't do anything. I think all they care about is rally the sheep and make this a mess. Typical plan GOP, don't govern.

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Rep. Claudia Tenney on Newsmax says she's confident that a Trump indictment will "blow over" because he simply won't show up in court

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1...AxY3Jt32Q&s=19

She is a NY Congress person! Doesn't know how our bleeping justice system works,

[Breccia]

She is a NY Congress person! Doesn't know how our bleeping justice system works,

She appears to be talking about the many other court cases Trump has lost, without appearing in court. His lawyers do the work for him, including the million-dollar sanctions for being that fucking stupid.

Oh, she's still wrong and crazy. But Trump failing to appear is technically possible. It will not cause anything to "blow over".

That said, I think you're suggesting this time will be different because this time he'll be under arrest for a criminal charge. And I agree with that. Him not showing up would make things much w...

Hey everyone, how's Trump going to post bail? He owes everyone money, he's broke, and he's a massive flight risk. Like, 300 pounds at least. Oh, he also might flee the country on his own plane. Is it possible Trump won't be able to make bail? He'd probably get house arrest, but still, imagine running for office on the sole qualification of "I am rich" and not being able to make bail.

[fwc577]

https://www.abcactionnews.com/news/s...-it-in-any-way


DeSanctimonious killing his chances at a Presidential run in 2024.

"I don’t know what goes into paying hush money to a porn star to secure silence over some type of alleged affair. I just, I can’t speak to that" - Ron DeSanctimonious

[Breccia]

House Judiciary Committee demands Manhattan DA Alvin Bragg testify about possible Trump indictment, shrieks FOX News.

Jordan warned Bragg that if news reports of a possible Trump indictment are accurate, Bragg’s actions "will erode confidence in the evenhanded application of justice and unalterably interfere in the court of the 2024 presidential election."

"In light of the serious consequences of your actions, we expect that you will testify about what plainly appears to be a politically motivated prosecutorial decision," Jordan wrote.

"The legal theory underlying your reported prosecution appears to be tenuous and untested," Jordan wrote.

Jordan said that the five-year statute "would likely expire soon and thus explains your rush to indictment."

"The only--"

"Excuse me!"

...yes?

"Isn't waiting till the end of the legal period, and/or five years, the opposite of a 'rush to indictment'? It seems like NY waited a very long time. Like, they were collecting records and witnesses and stuff."

Well, in a sane world, yes.

"Also Trump was in the White House for most of those years. Is Jordan suggesting NY should have arrested Trump during the State of the Union? Or any other part of his tenure, for that matter?"

I doubt it.

"Is Jordan saying Trump should have been arrested in 2016?"

I doubt it. The crime in question hadn't happened yet. Cohen's had, Trump's hadnt.

"Isn't this a full six weeks before Trump's Sept announcement in 2015? Like, we're not even close to any primaries yet?"

Correct.

"What, exactly, is Jordan trying to accomplish?"

He's trying to tell Trump supporters he's on their side without actually doing anything.

"The only potential speculated crime that could be alleged here would be a violation of campaign finance law, according to one scholar, a charge that the Justice Department has already declined to bring," Jordan wrote.

"Is that one scholar Eastman?"

Honestly, sure, why not.

"Are there other scholars who disagree?"

Yes, they're called the New York State Government which also has laws on the books about violating campaign donations. Jordan's expert is wrong and therefore Jordan is wrong.

"In addition to the novel and untested legal theory, your star witness for this prosecution has a serious credibility problem—a problem that you have reportedly recognized," Jordan wrote. "This case relies heavily on the testimony of Michael Cohen, a convicted perjurer with a demonstrable prejudice against Trump."

Jordan maintained that "the facts of this matter have not changed since 2018 and no new witnesses have emerged."

"Wasn't the perjury 'I did not break the law on Trump's behalf'?"

Yes.

"Has Trump taken the stand on the issue?"

I don't believe so, no.

"If Cohen is lying on the stand about something after that conviction, doesn't he go to jail for even more time?"

Yes. Cohen has no reason to lie under oath.

"Isn't the prejudice against Trump, caused by Trump ordering Cohen to break the law, Cohen breaking the law, Cohen being caught, and Trump not helping?"

Yes. The crime in question was in 2018, meaning Trump didn't pay Cohen back for two years. Cohen had to take out a loan. Trump didn't pay Cohen so hard, that Cohen went to jail.

"What will happen if Jordan's request is unanswered?"

Literally nothing.

"Can Jordan stop a state prosecution?"

I don't think so, let me check the Constitution. (1.7 seconds later) No.

"Can Jordan have Bragg arrested?"

Well, Bannon got arrested, so technically yes. But Bannon was arrested for being ordered to show up with a subpoena, and he just didn't want to. I don't know the details of how Jordan would even issue one, considering there's no crime on the table and, well, Jordan is Legislative branch. He couldn't pass a new law that would help because of (a) the Senate (b) Biden (c) ex post facto. If he does manage to get a subpoena, Bragg will shrug, show up, say under oath that everything is above-board, probably school some GOP members because them acting like idiots and getting owned on camera is a thing now, and then leave.

And I think Jordan knows all of that.

He wants to be on camera saying "I am helping!" to keep the cultists, like the posters here, still with the Republican Party when Trump is logistically forced out of the running because he's, you know, arrested. He wants to make a big enough stink that the cultists come sniffing around, hoping there's more excrement they can smear on their faces. He wants to lower the risk of a third-party run by Inmate 45, and he thinks sucking up to Trump this way will work.

But even if he has tools other than words, which are few if any, he doesn't really want to use them. Greene might be plotting a jailbreak, armed with clods of dirt, but Jordan is saying "harumph, harumph!" in public while calling DeSantis every night.

Since this was FOX News posting literal garbage on their front page, I've decided this is another +5 CNN points. Pushing "WITCH HUNT!" isn't news, it's Trump cultist propaganda. If there's no crime here, Trump will walk. If there is, he deserves to be found guilty.

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DeSanctimonious killing his chances at a Presidential run in 2024.

"I don’t know what goes into paying hush money to a porn star to secure silence over some type of alleged affair. I just, I can’t speak to that" - Ron DeSanctimonious

Too soon, Executus! Yeah, I knew DeSantis would smell blood in the water eventually, but this is waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too early in the process. I don't know about "killing" but it's going to take a hit.

Oh no! Anyway...

[Edge-]

https://www.axios.com/2023/03/20/des...ump-indictment

"I don't know what's going to happen, but I do know this, the Manhattan district attorney is a Soros-funded prosecutor," DeSantis said Monday, referring to billionaire investor George Soros.

They truly can never stop with the antisemitism. Ever.

[Breccia]

"the Manhattan district attorney is a Soros-funded prosecutor,"

I mean...they're both Democrats, right? It'd be strange if he didn't.

Rich people donate to candidates on their side of the aisle. If Republicans don't like that idea, they can suck my Koch.

[Edge-]

I mean...they're both Democrats, right? It'd be strange if he didn't.

Rich people donate to candidates on their side of the aisle. If Republicans don't like that idea, they can suck my Koch.

It was hilarious because that shit came up in my local DA race. Challenger was having their supporter spam Soros-based attacks on the incumbent (who was pretty good) all over local media comments sections and highlighting the connection in campaign materials.

Like...do they think George has all the time in the world to personally direct every politician that's received any funding from his organizations and do everything else he does in the day?

[Endus]

They truly can never stop with the antisemitism. Ever.

Was coming in to say; just like anyone complaining about "woke" anything is either racist, homophobic, transphobic, or a magical combination thereof like a bigot Voltron, anyone bitching about Soros is an antisemitic fuck.

These aren't dogwhistles, you morons. They're foghorns. You're just broadcasting your bigotry and everyone knows exactly what you mean.

[gondrin]

https://www.axios.com/2023/03/20/des...ump-indictment



They truly can never stop with the antisemitism. Ever.

The far-right boogeyman. George Soros.

Bath water gone cold? Soros. Food taking a few minutes longer to come out after ordered then it should? Soros. Product you wanted to buy but sold out? Soros.

I mean, it is up there with those people with blaming Obama for everything and anything.

[Breccia]

Citing FOX News again but only +1 point this time because they point out something that's really detrimental to their own viewers.

New York City authorities have no specific timing in mind for a potential indictment and arraignment of Trump, but many are now concerned that arresting Trump is likely to be dangerous, a source told Fox News Digital.

Several law enforcement groups were scheduled to meet at noon on Monday at NYPD headquarters in Manhattan to discuss the logistics of a potential indictment against Trump. The NYPD will be hosting the meeting, and other attendees will include Michael Magliano, chief of the Department of Public Safety, who oversees NY court officer; the head of the Secret Service of the New York office, and a representative from the Manhattan district attorney's office.

The Secret Service is expected to suggest the possibility of a virtual arraignment, removing the need for Trump to be physically arrested and moved, the source said. In the event of an indictment, a physical arrest would be the responsibility of the Secret Service.

Law enforcement are concerned about the "tremendous amount of danger" and "hysteria" surrounding Trump's potential arrest. Trump himself has encouraged supporters to "take our country back" in the event of his arrest.

FOX News is telling their own viewers that their own viewers are violent dangerous thugs. Multiple high-level state and federal law-enforcement officials are discussing the problem that Trump's cultists are dangerous -- which they can easily back up with Jan 6th data.

By the way, letting him be arrested virtually is a cowardly option. It's the far extreme of white privilege if Trump can do it, but nobody else can. If people really want to lay down their lives for the narcisist who demands they do so without even knowing their name, you know what, let them try. If they're lucky, they'll just be tazed or gassed. Unlucky, arrested. Very unlucky, suicide by cop. Their decision, not the law's.

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I mean, it is up there with those people with blaming Obama for everything and anything.

Obama did have some questionable condiments...for me to Poupon!

[PrimiOne]

https://www.axios.com/2023/03/20/des...ump-indictment



They truly can never stop with the antisemitism. Ever.

It's fascinating seeing Ronnie's malabarisms to try to sell this product of "I'm not Donnie...I'm better!!". This difuse line of marketing that tries to get distance from Trump because he can't possibly win at Trumpism but at the same time targets the same customer.

"I don't know what [...].. but [...]" is gonna be his template of the next year.

Well, Ronnie...I don't know what you are thinking but if you think you can win without blood you don't know your audience. If you think you can win the republican ticket without CAPS and insults and bold statements about Trump that goes viral.....you...don't.....know...your ...audience.

[s_bushido]

They truly can never stop with the antisemitism. Ever.

Who are they going to blame all the world's ills on once Soros dies? Dude's ancient, they can't have many more years milking that particular cow.

[Shadowferal]

Who are they going to blame all the world's ills on once Soros dies? Dude's ancient, they can't have many more years milking that particular cow.

I'm sure George Santos will come up to the plate.

[gondrin]

I'm sure George Santos will come up to the plate.

Nah. Clinton is a go to favorite. Along with Obama. I mean, even Bill Gates is getting put into the action.

[Edge-]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/con...robe-rcna75754

"You are reportedly about to engage in an unprecedented abuse of prosecutorial authority: the indictment of a former president of the United States and current declared candidate for that office," the letter said.

It comes ahead of a pending New York grand jury decision in the case.

"This indictment comes after years of your office searching for a basis — any basis — on which to bring charges, ultimately settling on a novel legal theory untested anywhere in the country and one that federal authorities declined to pursue," they lawmakers continued. "If these reports are accurate, your actions will erode confidence in the evenhanded application of justice and unalterably interfere in the course of the 2024 presidential election."

House Republicans are big mad over this news.

I hope he shows up and doesn't fight if they subpoena him, honestly. And that in response to every question about the decision to investigate and potentially charge Trump he responds essentially with, "Because he's a criminal."

[s_bushido]

I love how their only argument seems to be "You can't prosecute him, he was the President!!!" It's fucking ridiculous. Do they really think it's a good idea to literally be out here saying that he should be above the law? So much for the Party of Law and Order.™

[Breccia]

House Republicans are big mad over this news.

Yeah, so I didn't quote this in my earlier citation and in retrospect I should have.

@s_bushido is correct, this is the House GOP leader, not some random asshole like me, but someone in an actual position of power and authority, saying "you can't arrest someone who's running for office."

Bull.

Fucking.

Shit.

No-one is above the law. Trump announced the second the 2022 elections ended, purely to enable this handwaving-style defense. Bear in mind, based on what we know, the grand jury came back asking for an indictment. And this happened before he announced, not after. Clinton was sued while in office, for example, so there is actual President as well as precedent.

And, again helmet off to the samurai, but you know what would erode confidence in law and order? Saying you know someone is guilty of a crime but you won't arrest him because reasons.

No wonder Jordan wants to be in charge of the Party of Law and Order. All his arguments are dung, dung.

[Kathranis]

I love how their only argument seems to be "You can't prosecute him, he was the President!!!" It's fucking ridiculous. Do they really think it's a good idea to literally be out here saying that he should be above the law? So much for the Party of Law and Order.™

Same fucking idiots who are currently chirping about how Biden should be prosecuted for whatever made up shit they're imagine, probably Hunter's laptop.