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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    No, it's a woman that would be beautiful if she weren't obese.
    In your opinion. Some folks like them a bit bigger. Sorry your preferences aren't being catered to by default, anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    In your opinion. Some folks like them a bit bigger. Sorry your preferences aren't being catered to by default, anymore.
    Stating that she's obese isn't an opinion, it's pretty visibly evident. Of course, it is an opinion that obesity isn't beautiful, but I'm certainly happy to stand by it.

    I don't much buy that there's much of a market for obesity as a form of beauty outside of a few fetishists or as a bizarre political statement. High status men that have options almost uniformly wind up with women that are not obese.

  3. #83103
    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    Of course, it is an opinion that obesity isn't beautiful, but I'm certainly happy to stand by it.
    That's it. That's the point.

    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    I don't much buy that there's much of a market for obesity as a form of beauty outside of a few fetishists or as a bizarre political statement. High status men that have options almost uniformly wind up with women that are not obese.
    If it wasn't profitable, companies wouldn't keep doing it. Welcome to capitalism, sometimes it doesn't actually work the way you think it does, or in "your favor".

    And tastes change. Obesity has been a more attractive character trait throughout human history, just as being slender has.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    No, it's a woman that would be beautiful if she weren't obese.
    Is Trump obese? Be honest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    Stating that she's obese isn't an opinion, it's pretty visibly evident. Of course, it is an opinion that obesity isn't beautiful, but I'm certainly happy to stand by it.

    I don't much buy that there's much of a market for obesity as a form of beauty outside of a few fetishists or as a bizarre political statement. High status men that have options almost uniformly wind up with women that are not obese.
    Most of the American market is obese. It's not like Sports Illustrated is marketing their tits and ass edition to Spartans. They're marketing toward people who eat Chiptole three times a week.
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  6. #83106
    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Is Trump obese? Be honest.
    Yeah, obviously, and it reflects a failing of character.

  7. #83107
    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    Yeah, obviously, and it reflects a failing of character.
    Except that there are tons and tons of genetic and medical reasons why someone would be more obese as well. Plus other genuine reasons beyond, "lol fat slob." (just not for Trump)

    Viewing obesity as a moral failing is one of the most deadbrained things the "health" industry has ever pushed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    Stating that she's obese isn't an opinion, it's pretty visibly evident. Of course, it is an opinion that obesity isn't beautiful, but I'm certainly happy to stand by it.

    I don't much buy that there's much of a market for obesity as a form of beauty outside of a few fetishists or as a bizarre political statement. High status men that have options almost uniformly wind up with women that are not obese.
    Markets change. As do standards of beauty. There are multiple points in history where that woman would have been an example of hotness and given how standards of beauty change it's hardly unlikely for it to happen again and the skinny woman would've been less desirable.

    But more importantly ignoring your weird comment about being overweight being some sort of automatic moral failure beauty is entirely subjective, nor are the trends of "high status men" reflective of the overall market. Making your post objectively not worth its weight in dog shit.


    Also importantly: Jordan Peterson has zero room to call anyone ugly/unattractive. Fat or skinny guy's not winning any awards for his looks especially since it seems like half the times I've seen him recently he looks like he's been living under a bridge doing meth. And even better is the same guy who cries and whines about cancel culture and claims to support free speech gets pissed and throws a fit when he suffers the consequences of his speech/has to accept that others can use their speech to give unwanted opinions about him.
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  9. #83109
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Except that there are tons and tons of genetic and medical reasons why someone would be more obese as well. Plus other genuine reasons beyond, "lol fat slob." (just not for Trump)

    Viewing obesity as a moral failing is one of the most deadbrained things the "health" industry has ever pushed.
    No, pushing the idea that "genetic and medical reasons" make up a substantial share of obesity is one of the most deadbrained things the excuse industry has ever pushed. Most people are physically capable of maintaining a healthy weight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shimerra View Post
    Markets change. As do standards of beauty. There are multiple points in history where that woman would have been an example of hotness and given how standards of beauty change it's hardly unlikely for it to happen again and the skinny woman would've been less desirable.

    But more importantly ignoring your weird comment about being overweight being some sort of automatic moral failure beauty is entirely subjective, nor are the trends of "high status men" reflective of the overall market. Making your post objectively not worth its weight in dog shit.
    Being obese is a moral failing in the vast majority of cases. I think you probably know this, no matter how hard that rationalization motor spins to make excuses for people that are sedentary and gluttonous. That's actually one of the good things about how this one works - you usually can't actually visualize the results of a lack of character, but you sure can with fat people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    No, it's a woman that would be beautiful if she weren't obese.
    Are you as ravishing a specimen as Jordan Peterson to be commenting on people's looks?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    No, pushing the idea that "genetic and medical reasons" make up a substantial share of obesity is one of the most deadbrained things the excuse industry has ever pushed. Most people are physically capable of maintaining a healthy weight.
    I didn't say "substantial", you did. If we want to discuss obesity in America that's not a moral failing either, but a cultural and economic failing more often than not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    Are you as ravishing a specimen as Jordan Peterson to be commenting on people's looks?
    I look pretty good. Right now I'm at ~11% body fat. I should probably lift more often, but my cardiovascular fitness is excellent. If I gained about ten pounds of muscle and dropped another couple pounds of fat, that would be for the best aesthetically, but I usually finish in the top couple percent of local races and am pretty happy with how I look.

    Of course, there's the matter of someone appearing on Sports Illustrated's cover being a figure that's inviting commentary on their physique. Commenting on the physique of some rando from Facebook really would be rude and inappropriate, but commenting on the physique of someone whose job is entirely about looking good is clearly fair game.

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    This is probably the 3rd time I've seen Spectral shitting on people bigger than what he considers "healthy." It remains uninteresting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    This is probably the 3rd time I've seen Spectral shitting on people bigger than what he considers "healthy." It remains uninteresting.
    The faux alpha chest beating is always cringe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    Of course, there's the matter of someone appearing on Sports Illustrated's cover being a figure that's inviting commentary on their physique. Commenting on the physique of some rando from Facebook really would be rude and inappropriate, but commenting on the physique of someone whose job is entirely about looking good is clearly fair game.
    Please, keep pretending that if Peterson hadn't commented on some "rando from Facebook" his fanboys wouldn't be rushing to his defense with cries of "well, they did put their picture out there!" It sustains me.

    People are free to provide "commentary on her physique" all they like. The rest of us are free to call them fucking idiots. Especially when they whine about getting a "vicious flood of insults" in response to them shitting on how someone looks to their *checks notes* 2.7 million twitter followers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    I look pretty good. Right now I'm at ~11% body fat. I should probably lift more often, but my cardiovascular fitness is excellent. If I gained about ten pounds of muscle and dropped another couple pounds of fat, that would be for the best aesthetically, but I usually finish in the top couple percent of local races and am pretty happy with how I look.
    If you say so.

    Of course, there's the matter of someone appearing on Sports Illustrated's cover being a figure that's inviting commentary on their physique. Commenting on the physique of some rando from Facebook really would be rude and inappropriate, but commenting on the physique of someone whose job is entirely about looking good is clearly fair game.
    And yet it's your opinion that she isn't attractive enough to warrant it.

    Nobody asked Peterson's opinion on the matter, and no one cares. He chose to get butthurt that no one asked or cared. And if it spares us all his pseudo-intellectual claptrap, then I'm all for it.
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    Kaleredar is right...
    Words to live by.

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    Honestly, it's pretty funny how many people jump to defend the honor of fatties.

    I definitely agree with @Kalredar that Peterson's soft as Charmin though. If you're going to take shots at people, you should be cool with catching shots back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    Honestly, it's pretty funny how many people jump to defend the honor of fatties.
    Aaaand you abandon any pretense of being a person worth interacting with. Congratulations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    Honestly, it's pretty funny how many people jump to defend the honor of fatties.
    They're probably obese.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MuH sTaTe LiNeS View Post
    They're probably obese.
    Says a lot this poster hopped to agree with him.

    Thanks for continuing to be a barometer for awful.
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