Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Kathranis]

I love how their only argument seems to be "You can't prosecute him, he was the President!!!" It's fucking ridiculous. Do they really think it's a good idea to literally be out here saying that he should be above the law? So much for the Party of Law and Order.™

Same fucking idiots who are currently chirping about how Biden should be prosecuted for whatever made up shit they're imagine, probably Hunter's laptop.

[Breccia]

Same fucking idiots who are currently chirping about how Biden should be prosecuted for whatever made up shit they're imagine, probably Hunter's laptop.

Yes, the Venn Diagram of Hypocrisy is pretty red in the middle. I'd ask our local Trump supporters to pick a side (is Biden immune, or should Trump be arrested?) but they're cowards and have me on ignore.

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The NYTimes has an article on the issue. It starts out by reminding everyone that being fingerprinted and photographed is part of the deal, making a "Zoom indictment" not something that actually, you know, happens to real people. Trump might be different because he's a violent terrorist who inspires violent terrorist acts, but that's not the standard.

Also:

Security is also a looming issue in the office of the Manhattan district attorney, Alvin L. Bragg, a Democrat who is the first Black person to lead the office. Mr. Trump has lashed out at the district attorney, calling him a racist and saying his investigation is politically motivated.

Mr. Bragg and one of his top aides have already been the targets of threats on Mr. Trump’s social media platform. In an email to staffers on Saturday, first reported by Politico, Mr. Bragg assured prosecutors and other staff that he had been coordinating with the Police Department and court officials to ensure their safety.

“We do not tolerate attempts to intimidate our office or threaten the rule of law in New York,” he wrote. “Our law enforcement partners will ensure that any specific or credible threats against the office will be fully investigated.”

Force, or threats of force, to change the course of political events, is terrorism. Like, literally the definition. Death threats are a crime, terrorist death threats are a terrorist crime. Trump supporters are making terrorist death threats, they're terrorists.

Mr. Bragg’s security detail, which is staffed by New York Police Department detectives, may expand in the wake of Mr. Trump’s Saturday post; already the police have evaluated risks to his personal safety, according to a person with knowledge of the matter. In the past, the police department has adjusted its staffing based on its own assessment of the risk to a district attorney, another person with knowledge said.

In the wake of Mr. Trump’s public call for action, there were scattered signs that his followers were planning to protest on his behalf. The New York Young Republican Club announced on Sunday that it would hold a “peaceful protest of Alvin Bragg’s heinous attack” on Mr. Trump at an undisclosed location in Lower Manhattan on Monday evening.

On Saturday afternoon, the far-right provocateur Laura Loomer, who lives in Florida, declared on Twitter that she was organizing a pro-Trump rally outside Mar-a-Lago, Mr. Trump’s private club and residence in Palm Beach, to “protest Alvin Bragg’s WITCH HUNT.” But hours later, Ms. Loomer deleted the tweet and encouraged people to attend Mr. Trump’s upcoming political event in Texas instead.

On Twitter over the weekend, the far-right influencer Jack Posobiec called for Mr. Trump’s supporters to launch a “MAGA strike” and withdraw their money from banks en masse in an apparent effort to harm the financial system. Other Trump supporters circulated the main telephone number of Mr. Bragg’s office on social media and encouraged people to call and demand that charges not be filed against Mr. Trump.

Far darker messages--

"Question!"

...yes?

"If it's at an undisclosed location, how is it a protest?"

I mean...I guess they'll disclose it later?

"Can Trump supporters really crash a bank by yoinking out their savings?"

Well, most of them are broke, so no. I suppose some richer people could, but at this point, I don't think a lot of actual rich people are going to put that much effort into saving him.

The ultimate irony would be a bank that's giving Trump an extended loan crashing, causing the feds to take over and stop giving Trump extensions.

"Isn't orchestrating a bank run a crime?"

Actually I don't think so. I think you're allowed to tell people to do a legal thing, like "take our savings out". Unless he defames the bank or commits fraud I think it's okay.

"Isn't intentionally crashing the banks on behalf of Trump something that would hurt him in the long run? Like, he's publicly caused bank deregulation, wouldn't his supporters exploiting that to cause damage affect moderates and independents?"

Yes, if it worked.

"What does calling a police officer and asking them not to press charges actually do?"

It puts your name on a list, but has no effect on the process. It'd be fucking stupid.

Far darker messages were posted on pro-Trump chat boards like Patriots.win, a website formerly known as TheDonald.win, according to a review of social media by the The New York Times and by Advance Democracy Inc., a nonpartisan, nonprofit organization that conducts public interest research. In its final report last year, the House select committee investigating Jan. 6 determined that TheDonald.win served as an important nexus for people to discuss and make plans for the Capitol attack.

In the hours after Mr. Trump’s message was posted on Saturday, some posters on Patriots.win, mostly writing under pseudonyms, called for people to join together to protect Mr. Trump.

“Surround Mar-a-Lago or wherever he currently is,” a person named “sir-coffee” wrote, “and prevent law-enforcement from entering.”

Other posters called for a violent response to Mr. Trump’s arrest and said they would welcome harm being done to Mr. Bragg.

“I’d celebrate someone taking out that criminal DA,” someone using the name “trauncher” wrote.

"They do know the FBI is watching, right?"

It would not surprise me if the people encouraging violence are either undercover feds or Russians. But I think they're just people who know for a fact they won't be there, asking others to do something life-changingly stupid on their behalf. I mean, I like you guys, but if one of you said "go punch a cop" my answer would be reporting the post and blocking you, because that's criminal and insane. Unless it was clear you're being sarcastic.

"Can law enforcement find this 'trauncher'?"

Easily.

If Mr. Trump is indeed indicted and arraigned, it will be one of the most unusual and closely watched court proceedings in New York history. And accommodation may be made for the former president.

While it is standard for defendants arrested on felony charges to be handcuffed, it is unclear whether they will make an exception for Mr. Trump because of his status. Most defendants have their hands cuffed behind their backs, but some white-collar defendants who are deemed to pose less of a danger have their hands secured in front of them.

After an arraignment, Mr. Trump would likely be released on his own recognizance because an indictment likely would contain only nonviolent felony charges; under New York law, prosecutors cannot request bail in most such cases.

It may take several days for the former president to appear at the courthouse. Once he has been indicted, prosecutors are expected to contact the former president’s defense lawyers to negotiate his surrender, a common practice in white-collar investigations when prosecutors have been in touch with defense attorneys.

"Can Trump's hands fit in front of him to be cuffed? Or behind him? Dude's morbidly obese."

I'm sure they can work something out. He can't possibly be the first fat New York crime boss arrested.

That last part is news to me, and not a fan. "It's okay, his crimes were nonviolent, he can do whatever he wants" does not seem to be an equal application of the law. Dude has a plane and brags about how many passports he has. And I may have missed the part in law school that says "people arrested for crimes can show up whenever they want". Also he claims to be rich, he's claiming he can afford bail. But that's the law, so, whatever.

So Trump's upcoming, or not, arrest, or not, has more wrinkles than a cheap Chinese suit. Since the SS would be the ones physically doing it, and the SS would ensure that random-ass people with guns weren't around Trump as normal procedure, they could in theory just say "Mr. Trump, we're leaving now" and take him to a waiting car to a waiting plane. A random car leaving Mar-a-Lago would not be suspicious, cars leave all the time, usually infested with bedbugs. Trump's not going to be able to jump out the window or even yell for help in a car rated to carry his fat ass around. As long as the when wasn't disclosed, that would be clean and effective.

Also I don't know how protestors would block a helicopter landing inside the grounds. So a moat would be as stupid as it would be stupid.

In the end, Tr--

"You left out the best part."

You again!

"The best part is that Trump is hiding in Florida, but has an event planned for Texas. Both options are bad."

In the unlikely event that the former president refuses to surrender, he would put Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida, his leading but undeclared rival for the Republican nomination, in an awkward political position. Under law, the role of Mr. DeSantis would be essentially ministerial and he would have few legal options other than approving an extradition request from New York.

Still, if New York prosecutors sought Mr. Trump’s extradition, Mr. DeSantis would face an unenviable dilemma. He would be compelled to choose between authorizing an arrest warrant for Mr. Trump and inflaming his base, or attempting in some way to aide his Republican rival, and possibly face legal action as a result.

"Trump could try to weaken DeSantis, who as we've seen recently called him a whoremonger, by demanding DeSantis protect him. Something DeSantis does not want to do, of course, for many reasons. But Trump, a narcisist to the point of insanity, doesn't know that, he's incapable of grasping that, and might think screaming for asylum would--"

Please tell me you're going to call him a nacho cheese-dusted Hunchback of Notre Dame?

"Queso-modo? No. I was going to say, Trump thinks DeSantis hearing his cry for protection, and that cry failing, will hurt DeSantis' poll numbers. He might do it as a campaign strategy, literally so bereft of reason he doesn't realize how much it'd help his only realistic rival."

...and Texas?

"It would be far easier to grab Trump in transit than from a siege-like location if he's not compliant. If Trump is summoned to NYC and instead gets on a plane going anywhere else, he should expect to see Trump Tower out his window. It's not like Trump will be personally piloting his plane. Even if Abbott was against the issue, which I don't think he is, airports are pretty much federal space anyhow. He could land, be surrounded by 150 feds, and Abbott couldn't stop it if he wanted to."

"Basically, he has three options. Surrender quietly, beg for protection and fail, or hope that his supporters are willing to throw their lives away to protect him and fail. His handlers have been begging him to take the first option, as we've seen them say in public. The one who can do the most damage to Trump, is Trump."

And we're within a few days of finding out if even Trump is that stupid.

[Endus]

Yeah, so I didn't quote this in my earlier citation and in retrospect I should have.

@s_bushido is correct, this is the House GOP leader, not some random asshole like me, but someone in an actual position of power and authority, saying "you can't arrest someone who's running for office."

Bull.

Fucking.

Shit.

Just as a what-if, to make the point on how ludicrously corrupt anyone arguing for this is, imagine a hypothetical situation;

The last debate begins. It's well into campaign season, past the point where new candidates can be added to the ballots. The candidates walk on state, and then Trump (or whoever) comes in with an assault weapon, and guns down his opposing candidates, killing all of them. Walking over and putting a bullet in their heads to be sure in every case.

Can't charge 'im; he's running for office. Can't charge 'im after he's in office; he's both immune and he's just pardoned himself. Can't get anyone else on the ballot, so he wins unopposed, since all his opponents are now dead. Does any of this make sense? Because it sure seems like this is what they're arguing the system should be.

[Gabriel]

I dare say US presidential candidates duking it out Battle Royal style could be an interesting change.

[Edge-]

https://www.salon.com/2023/03/20/rig...f-is-indicted/

Continuing the, "Very reasonable response to the potential for Trump to be indicted."

Far-right broadcaster Pete Santilli called on members of the military to execute former President Barack Obama, former Attorney General Eric Holder, and former National Security Advisor Susan Rice if former President Donald Trump is arrested.

Trump in a lengthy rant on Truth Social over the weekend claimed he would be arrested in connection to the Manhattan district attorney's investigation into hush-money payments made to adult film star Stormy Daniels in the final stretch of the 2016 presidential campaign.

Santilli responded on his show by calling for Trump's supporters in the military to rise up and round up Obama and his former administration officials and shoot them against a "concrete wall."

"Get the military, whatever few are left that are gonna side with the people. You military personnel and you people with guns and badges and law enforcement will succumb to the will of the people," Santilli said in a clip flagged by Right Wing Watch.

"And ultimately, we demand, we absolutely demand that the criminals, the criminals in this country, if you want them held accountable, the criminals are Barack Obama, Eric Holder, Susan Rice," he continued. "This entire criminal cabal that came about as a result of the murder of John F. Kennedy, the people that perpetrated the murder of John F. Kennedy, rise up to that."

"Military, join us and put all of them up against a concrete wall...and do what we must do to save not just our country, the entire world," he pleaded.

Rofl, these idiots are still losing their minds about the Kennedy assassination. I thought Trump was going to declassify all that info or something? What gives?

[s_bushido]

Abject lunacy aside, what's the deal with these people and the Kennedy's? They're the sort that like to pretend the parties didn't essentially swap sides of the aisle in the 60s, so why are they rallying behind a Democrat?

[Gabriel]

Abject lunacy aside, what's the deal with these people and the Kennedy's? They're the sort that like to pretend the parties didn't essentially swap sides of the aisle in the 60s, so why are they rallying behind a Democrat?

Losers like conspiracy theories because it makes them feel smarter than rest of the humanity for once, and they get to blame their own short fallings on some nebulous dark cabal that is too big to do anything about, so they don't have to feel bad about not improving their own situation in life.

[Breccia]

DeSanctimonious killing his chances at a Presidential run in 2024.

"I don’t know what goes into paying hush money to a porn star to secure silence over some type of alleged affair. I just, I can’t speak to that" - Ron DeSanctimonious

We have a response.

Ron DeSanctimonious will probably find out about FALSE ACCUSATIONS & FAKE STORIES sometime in the future, as he gets older, wiser, and better known, when he’s unfairly and illegally attacked by a woman, even classmates that are ‘underage’ (or possibly a man!). I’m sure he will want to fight these misfits just like I do!

Well, at least Trump suggested the men coming out to accuse him would be illegally FAKE STORIES. And not, you know, going full homophobe.

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Losers like conspiracy theories because it makes them feel smarter than rest of the humanity for once, and they get to blame their own short fallings on some nebulous dark cabal that is too big to do anything about, so they don't have to feel bad about not improving their own situation in life.

South Park put forth the idea (not necessarily their own) when discussing 9/11 Truthers, that conspiracy theorists need to feel like everything's part of the plan. That W caused 9/11 because they preferred that, than it was pissed off terrorists we didn't see coming.

A President being killed by a single actor working alone is chaos they're not willing to accept. A highly-constructed plan involving the Illuminati, Mafia, Catholic Church and Marilyn Monroe being needed to execute such a difficult, impossible task as "shooting a guy in the middle of the street on your third try" just makes more sense to them.

But they are losers, they are stupid, they are looking for someone to blame and they are insane.

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Yeah even though I have plenty, I'm stashing CNN points for the possible upcoming arrest.

[url=https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-probe-law-enforcement-dont-expect-arraignment-next-week-virtual-option-off-table]Trump probe: law enforcement don’t expect arraignment until next week, virtual option off the table[/url[

Law enforcement officials met behind closed doors Monday to discuss the logistics of arraiging Trump following his possible indictment over hush-money payments made on his behalf during the 2016 presidential campaign.

A law enforcement source told Fox News Monday that the Manhattan District Attorney’s Office and different branches of law enforcement discussed the logistics of closing down streets and putting lights up with generators, extra barriers, and extra police.

"Hey didn't FOX News and Trump both say leaks were bad?"

Yes, recently.

"So...shouldn't they have sat on this story, because it was a leak?"

Well, that would have made them consistent and ethical, so there was no chance.

The source said law enforcement does not expect Trump to be arraigned until next week as the Manhattan grand jury – which has been meeting secretly to hear evidence for weeks – has another witness on Wednesday. A virtual option was apparently ruled out as the District Attorney is opposed to it.

The source told Fox News that law enforcement is concerned about safety. If Trump does come up to Manhattan, there will be a major police presence and the area will get shut down. Trump has called on his supporters to protest ahead of a possible indictment.

Yep, that's FOX News telling their own viewers they expect their own viewers to be violent thugs.

And of course:

An indictment of Trump, who is seeking the White House again in 2024, would be an unprecedented moment in American history, the first criminal case bla bla bla

And not, for example, "the first crime committed and caught for". The issue isn't Trump being arrested for committing a crime, it's Trump being a criminal. If your problem isn't that he's a criminal, it's that he's caught, then the problem is you.

[Elenos]

The great irony is he will be arrested for Stormy Daniels. Well Donald your history of adultery finally caught up to you!

[Kaleredar]

The great irony is he will be arrested for Stormy Daniels. Well Donald your history of adultery finally caught up to you!

This serves the extra purpose of bringing part of Trump’s past that his “party of family values” likes to ignore: that he cheated on his wife with a prostitute.

[postman1782]

Nah. Clinton is a go to favorite. Along with Obama. I mean, even Bill Gates is getting put into the action.

I have seen a lot of morons on Tiktok claiming that what Trump did with Stormy is comparable to Paula Jones with the $850k settlement that Bill Clinton paid. They claimed that it is exactly the same. Even though what Clinton paid, was a court settlement and she said everything she could in public. What Trump did was used campaign funds to hide it. But yet, they still say its the same.

[Breccia]

This serves the extra purpose of bringing part of Trump’s past that his “party of family values” likes to ignore: that he cheated on his wife with a prostitute.

He will deny it, claiming "I was just paying her off" forever, and his fans will accept it.

As usual, Trump needs more than his fans. DeSantis has never cheated on his wife.

Oh, wait, sorry. DeSantis didn't cheat on his third wife with a porn star and pay her money to keep quiet before an election. There, that's better.

Yeah, that's a Washington Examiner OP ED. Trump has real issues with the Republican Party.

You know who is not involved in any of this? The happily-married-to-his-first-wife Ron DeSantis. And you know who Trumpworld made the villain of the weekend? You guessed it — the Florida governor.

After two days of Trump's closest allies demanding that DeSantis address the arrest rumor, he did, first thing on Monday morning, condemning the "Soros-funded prosecutor" for "pursuing a political agenda and weaponizing the office." This was the response from Donald Trump Jr.

So DeSantis thinks that Dems weaponizing the law to indict President Trump is a "manufactured circus" & isn't a "real issue"

Pure weakness. Now we know why he was silent all weekend. He's totally owned by Karl Rove, Paul Ryan & his billionaire donors. 100% Controlled Opposition.

Jumping in here: Donnie Dum-Dum Jr. said that on Twitter. Not CyberTrump 2077. Twitter.

DeSantis owes Trump nothing. Recall that it was literally last month when Trump teased that DeSantis sexually abused underage girls, sharing an unverified photo with the caption, "Here is Ron DeSanctimonious grooming high school girls with alcohol as a teacher," with a link to a left-wing outlet raving about this baseless conspiracy theory.

I get that we live in the post-Clinton era, a political climate in which both parties' presidential candidates were accused of sexual assault, and nobody blinked an eye. But however obscene Bragg's criminal persecution of Trump may be, can ostensibly pro-family and pro-marriage conservatives just consider the fact that it may be less of a headache to elect a presidential candidate who has not been accused of cheating on multiple of his three wives? What about one who has not been accused of sexual assault? What about one who has not publicly befriended a convicted sex trafficker and offered his well wishes to another one?

DeSantis may be boring, "DeSanctimonious," or whatever tacky insult Trump generates next. But until he provides any evidence to the contrary, it is safe to assume that DeSantis has never cheated on his (first and only) wife with a porn star and violated campaign finance law to pay for said porn star's silence.

Added fun: DeSantis married his first and only wife in 2009 in Disney, heh lil irony there. Trump married Melania in 2005, met a whore in 2006, and then paid the whore for sex no later than 2011 when the whore went public. Even if Trump never cheated on his other two wives -- yes he has, he cheated on his first wife with his second wife, and his second wife with his third wife -- but even if not, DeSantis has been married longer faithfully than Trump ever has to anyone.

[Kaleredar]

He will deny it, claiming "I was just paying her off" forever, and his fans will accept it.

He can deny it all he wants. But it'll become a matter of rather public record, as in "in every news headline about Trump" leading up to his already shaky run for presidency in 2024.

And it was never about convincing his idiotic base as to whether he did something or not. Less-insane GOPers looking for an out will look to Desantis for an easy alternative.

[Paranoid Android]

I mean...they're both Democrats, right? It'd be strange if he didn't.

Rich people donate to candidates on their side of the aisle. If Republicans don't like that idea, they can suck my Koch.

It was hilarious because that shit came up in my local DA race. Challenger was having their supporter spam Soros-based attacks on the incumbent (who was pretty good) all over local media comments sections and highlighting the connection in campaign materials.

Like...do they think George has all the time in the world to personally direct every politician that's received any funding from his organizations and do everything else he does in the day?

The projection is always sooo much for these people. Strange that Republicans have a pool of billionaires, most making Soros look like a poor boy in net worth. Without research I can name Kochs, DeVos, Adelson (dead), Mercer, etc. The ones I named are the real pieces of feces. Oh the one from Illinois who used over $1 billion to fund Supreme Court.

We can play the game of "why did Soros, donate to Bragg". Any Dem was going to win and idc if this was all to the general or to get him primaried into the AG. Obviously financing the guy in the who would crush any Republican in the general election sort of says something about money in politics.

But yes they can say Soros and just like woke that gets the base drooling like Pavlov's dog. Guess who else tied Soros with Bragg in a reply tweet of Catturd of course; Elon Musk. They are all in with this conspiracy of this one billionaire, while Republicans have so many more.

[Poopymonster]

The projection is always sooo much for these people. Strange that Republicans have a pool of billionaires, most making Soros look like a poor boy in net worth. Without research I can name Kochs, DeVos, Adelson (dead), Mercer, etc. The ones I named are the real pieces of feces. Oh the one from Illinois who used over $1 billion to fund Supreme Court.

We can play the game of "why did Soros, donate to Bragg". Any Dem was going to win and idc if this was all to the general or to get him primaried into the AG. Obviously financing the guy in the who would crush any Republican in the general election sort of says something about money in politics.

But yes they can say Soros and just like woke that gets the base drooling like Pavlov's dog. Guess who else tied Soros with Bragg in a reply tweet of Catturd of course; Elon Musk. They are all in with this conspiracy of this one billionaire, while Republicans have so many more.

Soros you say? A single billionaire who allegedly wields this level of power?
Tell me they're blaming the Jews without saying they're blaming the Jews.

[Belize]

https://www.salon.com/2023/03/20/rig...f-is-indicted/

Continuing the, "Very reasonable response to the potential for Trump to be indicted."



Rofl, these idiots are still losing their minds about the Kennedy assassination. I thought Trump was going to declassify all that info or something? What gives?

At what point do these become concrete threats and we lock up these lunatics?

[Shadowferal]

Donald Trump wants his '74 million' supporters to sign a petition railing against his potential arrest. Those who sign it are asked to donate $3,300 and more

What a nauseous slimy shit...I can't even...

[Gelannerai]

Donald Trump wants his '74 million' supporters to sign a petition railing against his potential arrest. Those who sign it are asked to donate $3,300 and more

What a nauseous slimy shit...I can't even...

Ok, that gave me a good laugh to start off my day. Shit reads like an Onion article.

[gondrin]

He will deny it, claiming "I was just paying her off" forever, and his fans will accept it.

As usual, Trump needs more than his fans. DeSantis has never cheated on his wife.

Oh, wait, sorry. DeSantis didn't cheat on his third wife with a porn star and pay her money to keep quiet before an election. There, that's better.

Yeah, that's a Washington Examiner OP ED. Trump has real issues with the Republican Party.



Jumping in here: Donnie Dum-Dum Jr. said that on Twitter. Not CyberTrump 2077. Twitter.



Added fun: DeSantis married his first and only wife in 2009 in Disney, heh lil irony there. Trump married Melania in 2005, met a whore in 2006, and then paid the whore for sex no later than 2011 when the whore went public. Even if Trump never cheated on his other two wives -- yes he has, he cheated on his first wife with his second wife, and his second wife with his third wife -- but even if not, DeSantis has been married longer faithfully than Trump ever has to anyone.

The most ironic part of this whole mess is Trump is known to have been cheating on his wives. It is a known quality of him. There used to be jokes made of Trump about him and his mistresses. That is why the whole paying off Daniels makes it even more idiotic and stupid on his part.

Here is Johnny Carson making a joke about it in 1992. Time of joke starts at around 1:35.

[Shadowferal]

"Paul Tsongas." Democrat that was the left twin to the gop Romney...