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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    How desperate is Trump?
    Well, it could be worse. He could have gone on Tucker Carlson.

    On the 19th, Carlson -- at that point, surely scraping and scrounging every local news source for something he could blow out of proportion -- delivered a speech about a woodshop teacher who had made up a fake pair of wooden tits. Highly unproffesional.

    Carlson called this teacher Stephen Hanna and said he was a pervert, a threat to children, the guy in the van trying to give your sixth grader candy, the--

    "Har har. What did he really say?"

    Those are all exact quotes. Thing is...that wasn't Stephen Hanna. Yeah, Carlson named the wrong teacher.

    In every society, there are people like this, and every society deals with them swiftly and harshly
    -- Tucker Carlson

    Evidently not, they let you walk around
    -- Breccia

    Other mixed articles have gone into specifics about how, specifically, Trump broke the law. The NY AG mentioned that Trump overinflated the values of 23 properties every year from 2011 to 2021, and yes, each one is a separate count. One of the specifics was saying Trump said Mar-a-Lago was worth $739 million but it's actually worth $75 million.

    "Why should she care, it's in Florida?"

    It is, yes. It is physically in Florida. Where is Trump Org headquartered?

    "...oh, shit."

    Yeah. Apparently, at one point, Trump donated the residential designation on his property, sharply restricting what could be built there and therefore lowering its value, to lower his tax bill. If he overvalued the property, he overvalued the donation, and he cheated on his taxes. That, and he lied to banks about how much they were worth, I'm sure.

    Keeping two sets of books is frowned upon, regardless of which one is real. You can't lie to investors, lendors, or the tax collector and expect to get away with it. It's called fraud, and it's a felony. Remember how recently I said Trump never would but should take a plea bargain? Remember how Trump took the 5th 400+ times, even when asked his name? Trump has just been harpooned, but if he pulls it out, that's when the sharks smell the blood. If Trump fights this, he will have to put his own giant fat ass in that seat and actually answer questions, or -- and we're seeing proof of this from that recent appeals court situation -- his lack of presented evidence will be taken as lack of any evidence, he'll lose every motion and hundreds of millions of dollars he can't afford.

    The penalties sought include a minimum of $250 million from Trump and his family and that none of them can run a business in New York. What I didn't know until today, is NY also wants to block Trump from buying any new properties for five years, and, getting any loan from a bank licensed in NY for five years. Because he's objectively that bad of a risk, that NY is now moving to protect banks from him.

    Trump is old, fat, sick, fat, and fat. Five years is a life sentence. Considering his biggest actual product is his real estate (people are scrubbing Trump's names off Trump's properties) and most of what he owns is losing money and collateral, Trump not being able to buy new properties and get new loans that he could money launder into old loans is a death sentence.

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    https://twitter.com/kenvogel/status/1572693098622222337



    Apparently Josh Hawley thinks there's only one gender now.

    I appreciate "Liberals" with the capitol L for a proper noun in there, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    So they were looking for Hillary’s emails…

    But ended up walking off with a bunch of stuff that trump stole that they incidentally found?

    Like, in no way has he actually defended having these documents in any coherent form.
    Lol. They released the search warrant with Trumps blessing. We know exactly what they were looking for, but the smooth brain cultists will believe whatever they are told, the more ridiculous the easier they believe. And it's going to as Trumps brain is disintegrating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://twitter.com/kenvogel/status/1572693098622222337



    Apparently Josh Hawley thinks there's only one gender now.

    I appreciate "Liberals" with the capitol L for a proper noun in there, too.
    So is there only one gender option or like only one period and we have to take turns like a time share?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Apparently Josh Hawley thinks there's only one gender now.
    I am sure there is more than one gender, but I'm not sure Hawley has more than 1 brain cell.

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    https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/22/polit...rds/index.html

    What do some Republican Senators think about Trump's mishandling of classified documents?

    They're very concerned.

    Interestingly they're not backing him on this, and those that won't oppose his handling are at least refusing to directly answer the question because "I don't know the proper methodology" or something to that effect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drutt View Post
    I am sure there is more than one gender, but I'm not sure Hawley has more than 1 brain cell.
    He sexually identifies as "Idiot".

    By the way, the "special master" is now asking Trump for proof the FBI planted evidence.



    Related, the "special master" is asking Team Trump for a specific, itemized list of lawyer-client privileged items by the 26th. As in, four days.

    Why do I get the fat orange suspicion that both of these deadlines will be missed?

    Hey @cubby I take back half the things I said. It does seem to matter what you say out of court! Because that's twice now he's asked for evidence of a claim they never made in court, or more precisely, Trump never made under oath so bringing them up in court had no legal effect.

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    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...ed-states.html

    For a moment of levity -

    Trump Loses Mar-a-Lago Appeal on Grounds of Precedent Called Cobbledick v. United States
    Cobbledick...lol.

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    https://lawandcrime.com/awkward/fede...-lindell-case/

    So Dershowitz apparently filed for a temporary restraining order against the government to try to get back Lindell's phone on his behalf.

    Judge said nah, and cited...the recent 11th Circuit ruling that the FBI can continue using classified documents in their investigation. If Lindell wants to show up with the DOJ so both can make their arguments the judge will consider the motion, but Lindel needs to set up a court date for that if he wants it.

    Dershowitz wants a special master in this case as well, guess this is going to be a popular Republican delay tactic. Or Dershowitz is worried that he's got non-privileged communications with Lindell that might get out or something.

    Either way, the Trump camp continues to rack up the indictments and FBI search warrants alongside their mountain of legal losses.

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    https://www.politico.com/news/2022/0...rvice-00058406

    The House GOP campaign arm is slashing a near-$1 million ad buy meant to target Rep. Marcy Kaptur (D-Ohio) — essentially walking away from what could have been an easy pickup for the party.

    The move comes a day after an Associated Press report that Kaptur’s opponent, JR Majewski, lied about his resume, including claiming that he deployed to Afghanistan. Majewski beat out two state legislators in a May primary contest for the northwest Ohio district.

    The National Republican Congressional Committee booked $960,000 in the Toledo, Ohio market to help boost Majewski. It cut that buy entirely on Thursday, according to two sources familiar with the committee’s media purchasing.
    Protip: Don't lie about your military service. There are indeed records of your service that can be used to verify if your claims of service are accurate or not.

    The AP story noted that public records indicate that Majewski, an Air Force veteran, never deployed to Afghanistan and that he also mischaracterized his professional career. He had described himself as an “executive in the nuclear power industrybut his employers and a now-deleted LinkedIn resume did not support that claim, the AP reported.
    So it's more likely the seat, even with the districting change, will remain in Democratic hands. MAGA candidates continue to be both a boon and a massive liability to Republican electoral efforts. Wonder why they keep getting caught in controversies and lies?

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    What's up with loser wannabe authoritarians having even less of an idea of what to do with their hands when standing up than even Bungie executives when they walk out on stage?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...ed-states.html

    For a moment of levity -



    Cobbledick...lol.

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    https://lawandcrime.com/awkward/fede...-lindell-case/

    So Dershowitz apparently filed for a temporary restraining order against the government to try to get back Lindell's phone on his behalf.

    Judge said nah, and cited...the recent 11th Circuit ruling that the FBI can continue using classified documents in their investigation. If Lindell wants to show up with the DOJ so both can make their arguments the judge will consider the motion, but Lindel needs to set up a court date for that if he wants it.

    Dershowitz wants a special master in this case as well, guess this is going to be a popular Republican delay tactic. Or Dershowitz is worried that he's got non-privileged communications with Lindell that might get out or something.

    Either way, the Trump camp continues to rack up the indictments and FBI search warrants alongside their mountain of legal losses.

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    https://www.politico.com/news/2022/0...rvice-00058406



    Protip: Don't lie about your military service. There are indeed records of your service that can be used to verify if your claims of service are accurate or not.



    So it's more likely the seat, even with the districting change, will remain in Democratic hands. MAGA candidates continue to be both a boon and a massive liability to Republican electoral efforts. Wonder why they keep getting caught in controversies and lies?

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    What's up with loser wannabe authoritarians having even less of an idea of what to do with their hands when standing up than even Bungie executives when they walk out on stage?
    It is called the Mannequin pose. Or maybe that is what I call it. DeSantis looks like he cannot fit into his suit(like the kid from A Christmas Story) and Trump always stands like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://www.politico.com/news/2022/0...rvice-00058406
    Protip: Don't lie about your military service. There are indeed records of your service that can be used to verify if your claims of service are accurate or not.
    GOP picked some truly horrifically bad candidates for this mid-term election.

    AOC rival Tina Forte’s husband and son were caught by FBI in drug and gun bust at Bronx family warehouse

    As a candidate, J.D. Vance is also pretty awful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasulis View Post
    GOP picked some truly horrifically bad candidates for this mid-term election.

    AOC rival Tina Forte’s husband and son were caught by FBI in drug and gun bust at Bronx family warehouse

    As a candidate, J.D. Vance is also pretty awful.
    ...one of my three children, Joseph, made some very poor decisions. In 2019 at 25, he committed a nonviolent marijuana offense and possessed a firearm. Joseph paid the price, in fines, attorney fees, and time behind bars...

    As for my husband, he was unaware of our son’s crimes. He was only roped into the charges because of my son utilizing our business location for a single delivery of marijuana,
    Really? The FBI cares about a kid dropping off a dime-bag?

    Surveillance footage and tapped phone conversations revealed that the son orchestrated the delivery of marijuana worth $150,000 as his father walked back and forth behind him, an FBI agent said in a criminal complaint.
    ...well she's not lying? It was just one delivery of marijuana...just a very large delivery. Details, details. But surely it was just a one-time mistake?

    A judge said in June that Ms Forte’s son “persisted in criminal conduct even while on pretrial release” after he carried on selling cannabis.
    So...not really, either. Alrighty, but surely she's consistent in her "tough on crime" stance even when it comes to her own families crimes, right?

    Ms Forte’s campaign website eases its otherwise tough-on-crime policies as its calls for “expunging the records of non-violent charges for marijuana possession” following the legalisation of recreational marijuana in the state of New York last year.
    Oh...I guess not. I mean it's a good position to take IMO, but it's a bit contradictory with the rest of her position and seems to have some conflicts of interest given her husband and son's criminal records.

    I know that parties don't pick their candidates and all and that Democrats have plenty of terrible candidates and all...but Republicans sure seem to love picking truly awful candidates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    So Dershowitz apparently filed for a temporary restraining order against the government to try to get back Lindell's phone on his behalf.
    I have no idea why he's slumming. Even if he's desperate, he should have higher standards. Why would he work with such a proven loser as Dershowitz?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    I have no idea why he's slumming. Even if he's desperate, he should have higher standards. Why would he work with such a proven loser as Dershowitz?
    He was probably doing it pro bono so he could have something to talk about on fox again.
    Quote Originally Posted by Rudol Von Stroheim View Post
    I do not need to play the role of "holier than thou". I'm above that..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Cobbledick...lol.
    Oh, real mature.

    Cobbledick is a real hard issue that needs to be handled carefully. Basically, the DOJ wanted things to progress in a healthy fashion until a satisfying result was reached, while old tired Trump wanted things to drag out forever and end up never getting results. I think the judge found the DOJ's Cobbledick had firmer standing than Trump, who admittedly has to pay for people to handle his Cobbledick for him.

    Now, let's move onto a different story. Trump to host Mar-a-Lago fundraiser for Maryland governor candidate Dan Cox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Guess who just said this on Sean Hannity?

    Also, guess who doesn't know that a declassification process even exists?
    So what happens if Biden in his mind reclassified these documents. Holy crap, we need a meme of Biden v Trump having a mind battle. I guess like Professor X v The Scarlet Witch?

    This just turns my brain to mush. Someone dumb enough to say this and people who follow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paranoid Android View Post
    So what happens if Biden in his mind reclassified these documents. Holy crap, we need a meme
    Don't worry, that's already a Dark Brandon meme.

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    With the sharks currently circling... I bet Donnie is asking himself a couple of the questions from this mashup a lot lately!

    With all the shit he has done, I had forgotten that he had publicly mocked a disabled dude.
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    Wealth inequality is here to stay, sometimes it's just how lifes cookie crumbles and all of society is better off for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    You have no valid criticism.

    That about sum it up?
    I register that as your opinion. I hold a similar one. Your opinion is off-base, ill-informed, and driven by motivated reasoning and adherence to narrative. I certainly couldn't hold my views if I didn't acknowledge those that believe the same is true about me.

    "They can't have the documents because they're executive privileged, but they can only be executive privileged by Trump, because it also falls under attorney-client privilege such that Trump uniquely retains the right to not only view them but to declassify them at his complete leisure"
    You're still off. "They can have the documents, because they were subject to a valid search warrant. They can't claim all 11,000 have no valid assertion of executive privilege, so they were obligated to screen for that in their review of what was seized. Their failure to do so was, among other things, a valid reason for the appointment of a special master to oversee the process that the FBI neglected."

    I never said they can't have the documents.
    I have no idea of your meaning in "executive privileged by," in the sense that you're making a verb out of a noun.
    I only used attorney-client privilege in the sense that the DOJ admitted error in that before the judge, and in making comparisons to help very confused people understand privilege as a topic. They DOJ already knew to screen for attorney-client privilege, and (mostly) did so, so of course they could've also performed the same for executive privilege.
    I have never said "Trump uniquely retains the right to not only view them but to declassify them at his complete leisure."

    If you're very sure of the wrong summary you tried to make, then quote back some things I've said that gave you such a wrong impression.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ripster42 View Post
    This is why I also quoted the part about lawful gov't purposes:
    It's in the paragraph addressing the constitutionality of the act of Congress. An FBI investigation is not congressional created and run, therefore not of "important congressional purposes."


    Again, criminal investigations are a lawful gov't purpose. If the opinion was restricting itself only to archival interests, lawful gov't purposes wouldn't have been included.
    You're stripping the entire paragraph ...

    (c) Given the safeguards built into the Act to prevent disclosure of materials that implicate Presidential confidentiality, the requirement that appellant's personal and private materials be returned to him, and the minimal nature of the intrusion into the confidentiality of the Presidency resulting from the archivists' viewing such materials in the course of their screening process, the claims of Presidential privilege must yield to the important congressional purposes of preserving appellant's Presidential materials and maintaining access to them for lawful governmental and historical purposes.

    ...into the last five words of the last sentence. This is entirely without good purpose. It severs the contextual meaning of a specific act of Congress in order for you to try to make it say what it does not say.


    The US v Nixon referenced here is not about the issuance of a subpoena by congress, but about the special prosecutor's access, and it was while Nixon was still president. The criminal case was derailed by pardon, not claims of executive privilege. It details how the judicial branch got access to the comms, and denied executive privilege applied for criminal investigations even while the president was still in office. Congress' access was through a different case and was decided 8-0 against nixon. The comms are not sacrosanct.
    Before we move on, can you first admit that (1) you were wrong to say what I previously quoted was not from Nixon vs GSA ("I quoted from the opinion" ... "No, you didn't. You quoted cannon's opinion"), and (2) US vs Nixon was not, and I quote you here, "US v Nixon was the criminal case"

    https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...1#post53914588
    https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...1#post53914657

    We have two very basic factual misunderstandings in your last few posts, and I'm not willing to see you progress in other arguments you're attempting to make, without resolving past arguments you've neglected to resolve. I have very little faith that you're wedded to these new nuances you brought up in new posts, given the rate at which you've ceased to defend your old posts. In short, show me what you post matters to my understanding of what you wish to say, or I'll simply give you a couple of weeks to arrive at an argument you're going to stick to and not abandon two replies later.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    Hey @tehdang what do you think of your boy trump’s claims that the FBI “thought he had Hillary’s emails and that’s why they raided him?”
    Such claims have no merit. What do you think of your girl hillary's claims that Trump was an illegitimate president, or that Trump knows he stole the 2016 presidential election?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tehdang View Post
    Such claims have no merit. What do you think of your girl hillary's claims that Trump was an illegitimate president, or that Trump knows he stole the 2016 presidential election?
    Seeing as she wasn't doing so as an excuse to try and get out of lying about retaining national security secrets that she illegally stole like Trump was... no, it really doesn't. Even moreso considering Trump is the one actively on trial. How many active criminal and civil investigations is Hillary Clinton currently facing?

    And seeing as she didn't direct people to attack the capitol building or try and subvert the election in an extremely well-documented fashion that has resulted in numerous arrests and criminal and congressional investigations, Trump is still doing worse than her on that front too.

    I mean, you can't even pick an example to criticize Hillary on that Trump just hasn't done abjectly worse on.
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    Kaleredar is right...
    Words to live by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tehdang View Post
    I register that--
    Not only has Trump still not declared any form of privilege under oath, there's now a lengthy appeals court ruling basically saying "don't bother".

    You went from "I have nothing" to "I have less than nothing". Come back when Trump actually asserts privilege under oath, until then, your point you've been defending for 14 days is completely imaginary, and is as irrelevant as it is wrong.

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