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    This is what will happen when Trump is arrested in the coming days.

    He will be fingerprinted. He will be photographed. He may even be handcuffed.

    In the days ahead, Donald J. Trump is expected to walk through the routine steps of felony arrest processing in New York, now that a grand jury has voted to indict him in connection with his role in a hush-money payment to a porn star. But the unprecedented arrest of a former commander in chief will be anything but routine.

    Accommodations may be made for Mr. Trump. While it is standard for defendants arrested on felony charges to be handcuffed, it is unclear whether an exception will be made for the former president because of his status. Most defendants have their hands cuffed behind their backs, but some white-collar defendants who are deemed to pose less of a danger have their hands secured in front of them.

    Mr. Trump will almost certainly be accompanied at every step of the process — from the moment he is taken into custody until his appearance before a judge in Lower Manhattan’s imposing Criminal Courts Building — by armed agents of the United States Secret Service, who are required by law to protect him at all times.

    Security in the courthouse is provided by state court officers, with whom the Secret Service has worked in the past. But the chief spokesman for the agency, Anthony J. Guglielmi, said he could not comment on any specific measures that would be put in place for Mr. Trump.

    It may take several days for Mr. Trump to appear at the courthouse. Now that the grand jury, composed of members of the public who heard from witnesses and debated privately, has voted to indict him — meaning to charge him with one or more crimes — the indictment must be handed up to prosecutors.

    Then prosecutors would typically contact his defense lawyers to negotiate the terms of his surrender, a common practice in white-collar investigations when the district attorney’s office has been in touch with defense attorneys.
    @Endus you've spoken before on that bolded, correct?

    Lawyers for Mr. Trump, who is running for president a third time, have said he will surrender to face the charges and fly from his Florida estate to New York for the arraignment.

    After he is arraigned, he is almost certain to be released on his own recognizance because the indictment will likely contain only nonviolent felony charges; under New York law, prosecutors cannot request bail in such cases.

    The former president plans to use the charges as part of a campaign strategy to rile up his base.

    Surrender, some might argue, is not in Trump's DNA, and--
    Oh, hold on, will they get DNA from this that could be used in the Carroll case? @cubby if you could stop dancing in the streets for like five seconds, is that kind of thing allowed?

    he often seems to relish antagonizing and attacking the prosecutors who have investigated him. He has called Alvin L. Bragg, the Manhattan district attorney who secured the hush money indictment and who is Black, “a racist,” and said that his investigation was politically motivated.

    In the unlikely event that the former president refuses to surrender, he would put Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida, his leading but undeclared rival for the Republican nomination, in an awkward political position. Under law, Mr. DeSantis’s role would be essentially ministerial and he would have few legal options other than approving an extradition request from New York.

    Still, if New York prosecutors sought Mr. Trump’s extradition, Mr. DeSantis would face an unenviable dilemma. He would be compelled to choose between authorizing an arrest warrant for Mr. Trump and inflaming his base, or attempting in some way to aid his Republican rival, and possibly face legal action as a result.
    No, Mr. NYTimes writer sir, he is not. He hands over Trump, claims it's out of his hands, and is a bigly yuge winner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beanman12345 View Post
    Yeah I'm pretty sure Weisselberg flipped.
    Maybe? I didn't think he was part of the whore payment. And I don't think Weaselberg showed up to the grand jury.

    But it would explain other stories we've seen, so I'm not ruling it out in the slightest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    This is what will happen when Trump is arrested in the coming days.


    @Endus you've spoken before on that bolded, correct?



    Oh, hold on, will they get DNA from this that could be used in the Carroll case? @cubby if you could stop dancing in the streets for like five seconds, is that kind of thing allowed?



    No, Mr. NYTimes writer sir, he is not. He hands over Trump, claims it's out of his hands, and is a bigly yuge winner.

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    Maybe? I didn't think he was part of the whore payment. And I don't think Weaselberg showed up to the grand jury.

    But it would explain other stories we've seen, so I'm not ruling it out in the slightest.
    I think it's hilarious all this talk about some extradition. Even if DeSantis chooses to help Trump(he won't) They'll just nab the fat dumbass when he leaves for one of his rallies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beanman12345 View Post
    I think it's hilarious all this talk about some extradition. Even if DeSantis chooses to help Trump(he won't) They'll just nab the fat dumbass when he leaves for one of his rallies.
    Ohhhhhhhhhhh I stand corrected.

    Ron DeSantis says he will refuse any extradition request after Trump indictment: 'Questionable circumstances'

    Gov. Ron DeSantis said Florida "will not assist" in any extradition request by Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg amid what he called "questionable circumstances," while slamming the charges against former President Trump as "un-American" and as a "weaponization of the legal system to advance a political agenda."

    The former president and 2024 Republican presidential candidate was indicted by a Manhattan grand jury on Thursday after a years-long investigation by the Manhattan District Attorney’s Office.

    "The weaponization of the legal system to advance a political agenda turns the rule of law on its head," DeSantis tweeted Thursday. "It is un-American."
    What is unAmerican, is to declare yourself above the law. We had a whole thing about it back in 1776.

    "The Soros-backed Manhattan District Attorney has consistently bent the law to downgrade felonies and to excuse criminal misconduct," DeSantis said. "Yet, now he, and Soros, is stretching the law to target a political opponent. Soros. Soros Soros Soros. SOROS! SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO--"
    Okay I edited that last part a bit, but you get the idea.

    DeSantis added: "Florida will not assist in an extradition request given the questionable circumstances at issue with this Soros-backed Manhattan prosecutor and his political agenda."
    Okay. Fine, that's his call.

    Looking forward to seeing Trump run for office while unable to leave Florida, while running against the governor of Florida.

    This is such incredible karma, it would win a Formula One race. Trump's fate is in the hands of the person he's been attacking for months.

    EDIT: This would explain the headlines about Trump's lawyers negotiating the surrender. DeSantis could yell all he wants that he'll fight an extradition while he knows Trump is going to just walk out the front door with his hands in the air. Win for DeSantis.

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    Man, he's really hammering home the Soros-backed aspect.

    Think he's trying to make some kinda point with it? You know, the guy who has also refused to specifically say, "Nazi's bad" the last few time his supporters decided to go out and wave Swastika flags around in public in Florida?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    You know, the guy who has also refused to specifically say, "Nazi's bad"
    I want everyone, especially Trump supporters, to note that Edge- had to say "also" because otherwise we wouldn't know what Florida-based Republican leader running for WH he was talking about. Defending Nazis is a mainstream Republican belief. Even if you're a Republican and not a Nazi defender, you're in the party of Nazi defenders. Have fun with that, y'all.

    Also, all those CNN points I've been hoarding are about to get sprayed all over these forums.

    Trump was caught off guard by the grand jury’s decision to indict him, according to a person who spoke directly with him. He is preparing a response tonight and is poised to react with either a video message or a statement.

    While Trump was bracing for an indictment last week, he began to believe news reports that a potential indictment was weeks or more away.

    "Is this a shock today? Hell yes,” the person said, speaking on condition of anonymity as Trump’s team calculated its response.
    So he was wrong...twice. Not about being indicted, but when. I think Trump knows the evidence against him is strong enough to convict.


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    McCarthy says they will go after Bragg using the powers of Congress.

    Hrm, isn't that political interference and political weaponisation? Gosh, it might just be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    I'm pretty sure Bragg will comply with any subpoena, answer questions honestly, and walk out the door a free man. The Jan 6th committee got Bannon with contempt, then gave their evidence to Biden. McCarthy has nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    McCarthy says they will go after Bragg using the powers of Congress.

    Hrm, isn't that political interference and political weaponisation? Gosh, it might just be.
    Is he gonna fight all members of the grand jury as well? Wouldn't surprise me that he want's to fuck around and find out with NYers, he's got that humiliation fetish going.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Man, he's really hammering home the Soros-backed aspect.

    Think he's trying to make some kinda point with it? You know, the guy who has also refused to specifically say, "Nazi's bad" the last few time his supporters decided to go out and wave Swastika flags around in public in Florida?
    I'm pretty sure Soros wishes he was as powerful and influential as the American right-wing sphere believes him to be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    @Endus you've spoken before on that bolded, correct?
    Only in passing. The "negotiation" would be akin to "we're slapping cuffs on him on Monday morning. We can delay till 10am if he wants to sleep in, and we're willing to allow him to cover the cuffs with a jacket as he's led out of the back door." There's just really little to negotiate with, and if he's badmouthing people publicly, even that offer's going to go out the window.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jastall View Post
    I'm pretty sure Soros wishes he was as powerful and influential as the American right-wing sphere believes him to be.
    I'm sure there are plenty of left-wing people who wish Soros was as powerful as right-wing lunatics pretend he is. At least then there'd be some competition in the amount of money being funneled into social and traditional media...

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    Quote Originally Posted by beanman12345 View Post
    Charged on 34 counts.
    Cairne Tapdancing Bloodhoof, that's way more than I'd have guessed. I know NYC isn't fucking around, but holy crap.

    Burning another CNN point.

    Donald Trump's attorney Chris Kise called Trump’s indictment “the lowest point in history for our criminal justice system.”

    “What was once the most respected and revered district attorney’s office in the nation has been fully bastardized by an opportunistic politician seeking, like many others, to cash in on the Trump brand,” Kise said. “The complete lack of legal basis, coupled with the politically targeted nature of the prosecution, should strike fear into every citizen in this country irrespective of their views of Trump.”
    "What does he mean, lack of legal basis?"

    It means "I don't want Trump to fire me so I have to keep claiming he's innocent, because he thinks this can be won in the streets and not the courtroom. He's wrong, but I want a paycheck. Wait, am I being paid?"

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    And now, for your amusement, Eric Trump.

    This is third world prosecutorial misconduct. It is the opportunistic targeting of a political opponent in a campaign year.
    I will point out that it's a campaign year, because Trump announced his run before the body of the 2022 GOP hopes was even cold. Which means, therefore, any year could be a campaign year, and therefore nobody can be arrested for anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Cairne Tapdancing Bloodhoof, that's way more than I'd have guessed. I know NYC isn't fucking around, but holy crap.
    It seems less sensational than it sounds. More of a "every individual document you signed or passed to one of your cronies is a separate charge" sort of thing, than him being charged with a bunch of different stuff. But what do I know. I'll just have to wait for the Legal Eagle video to explain it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by s_bushido View Post
    It seems less sensational than it sounds. More of a "every individual document you signed or passed to one of your cronies is a separate charge" sort of thing, than him being charged with a bunch of different stuff. But what do I know.
    No, I get that. I just thought it was going to be basically two offences, one of paying a whore and one of lying about it.

    I guess if Trump signed 33 fraudulent documents, each one is its own charge?

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    Before the Manhattan grand jury voted to indict Donald Trump on Thursday, a witness gave about 30 minutes of testimony, a source familiar with the case tells CNN.

    The witness’s identity isn’t publicly known. Grand jury proceedings are secret.
    Okay...that's interesting. But not only do we not know who the witness was, we don't know how important their testimony was. I just expect this information to be kicked around by Trump supporters claiming this is fraud, but lying on business documents about paying the whore you fucked isn't.

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    Each charge could bring him up to 4 years each. Don't think he'll go to prison, but if I was bringing charges on an ex president, yeah probably smart to to have a max prison sentence to be well over 100 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beanman12345 View Post
    Each charge could bring him up to 4 years each. Don't think he'll go to prison, but if I was bringing charges on an ex president, yeah probably smart to to have a max prison sentence to be well over 100 years.
    Trump won't plead out. Not before Jan 21st, 2025, at least, after he's not elected again. He would literally rather die.

    But Trump facing such a massive deluge of felony charges is going to demand more of his attention than I think he was planning on. Even concurrently, 4 years in prison will take him out of action for the rest of his effective life. Being found guilty is a political and business-ical death sentence.

    Speaking of which, I wonder how the people loaning him money feel about this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Trump won't plead out. Not before Jan 21st, 2025, at least, after he's not elected again. He would literally rather die.

    But Trump facing such a massive deluge of felony charges is going to demand more of his attention than I think he was planning on. Even concurrently, 4 years in prison will take him out of action for the rest of his effective life. Being found guilty is a political and business-ical death sentence.

    Speaking of which, I wonder how the people loaning him money feel about this?
    Yup you are right, And it's not even his only legal woes in NY state. Not to mention the other almost certain charges to come in Georgia and possibly Federal charges to boot. Trump is not prepared.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beanman12345 View Post
    Yup you are right, And it's not even his only legal woes in NY state. Not to mention the other almost certain charges to come in Georgia and possibly Federal charges to boot. Trump is not prepared.
    Yep just needed some blood in the water and now the rest will come for him. Not getting my hopes up but I would be lying if I said this didn't put a smile on my face.
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    Ladies and gentlemen, Mike Pence.

    I think the unprecedented indictment of a former president of the United States on a campaign finance issue is an outrage.

    I think the American people will look at this and see it as one more example of the criminalization of politics in this country
    There you go, a major Republican figure saying that being President should make you immune to multiple felony charges.

    I am fairly sure Pence didn't say Trump was innocent. Only that he shouldn't be arrested. If anyone can prove Mike Pence said Trump was innocent, they're free to cite and quote that, and I will cede the point. Until then, Pence thinks Trump should not be arrested for those crimes he did.

    As a reminder, Trump promised in 2016's debates, yes this was in public, that he would have Clinton investigated and prosecuted. He got thunderous applause. Mike Pence did not leave the ticket. His time for ethical outrage is past.

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