Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[beanman12345]

but admitting he did a crime for his client even accidentally isn't going to be good for his career or license.

I think that bed was pretty good and shat on the moment he became trump's lawyer lol.

[Edge-]

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/22/u...e=articleShare

Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida this week clarified his description of the Russian invasion of Ukraine as a “territorial dispute” and said that Vladimir V. Putin, the Russian president, was a “war criminal” who should be “held accountable.”

Mr. DeSantis, a Republican who is expected to announce a presidential campaign in the coming months, made his latest comments in an interview with the British broadcaster Piers Morgan, who shared them with The New York Post and Fox News, both owned by Rupert Murdoch.

Last week, Mr. DeSantis made one of the most significant statements of the 2024 presidential campaign to date, to the influential Fox News host Tucker Carlson, who has criticized the Biden administration’s approach to Ukraine. “While the U.S. has many vital national interests,” Mr. DeSantis said in his statement, “becoming further entangled in a territorial dispute between Ukraine and Russia is not one of them.”

Mr. DeSantis did not mention Mr. Putin then and criticized President Biden’s policy as a “blank check” to Ukraine with no clear objectives, one that distracts from U.S. problems.

The line about a “territorial dispute” was heavily criticized by foreign policy hawks, as well as Republicans in Congress and, privately, some Republican donors. It also put Mr. DeSantis’s views more in line with those of former President Donald J. Trump.

It's funny because this is like, exactly the kind of thing that kept happening to Trump like when he failed to say, "Nazi's bad" and said "Both sides bad" and got shit for two days until he cleaned up his language.

Guess Ron is going to learn the hard way that leaving your little safe space of Florida is going to require he occasionally pretend he's an adult human being with a brain that works.

[Breccia]

What I Meant Was...

You know, the whole Trump about to be arrested thing is handing him a giant W and he's breaking it off into three L's.

[postman1782]

I have seen a lot of articles from Tiktok claiming that Manhattan DA Alvin Bragg withheld 600 pages of evidence that will exonerate Trump. And that this will cancel the Grand Jury entirely, but the only morons sharing this are sharing literal fake news sites like Gateway Pundit. Only them, Daily Mail, Fox Business and some morons names Sandrarose are sharing this crap.

[Breccia]

I have seen a lot of articles from Tiktok claiming that Manhattan DA Alvin Bragg withheld 600 pages of evidence that will exonerate Trump.

That's a harsh accusation. It's along the lines of saying a cop planted a gun on an innocent man. If there was even a shred of evidence of this, Team Trump would have brought it to court already, because that shit's not allowed.
@cubby will explain, but prosecutors can't do that, and some random nameless asshole on TikTok didn't magically find out about something Trump's defense didn't know. The end.

[postman1782]

That's a harsh accusation. It's along the lines of saying a cop planted a gun on an innocent man. If there was even a shred of evidence of this, Team Trump would have brought it to court already, because that shit's not allowed.
@cubby will explain, but prosecutors can't do that, and some random nameless asshole on TikTok didn't magically find out about something Trump's defense didn't know. The end.

Yep, considering the evidence that was released, came from Trump's own lawyer that helps Bragg, and Republicans thinks it helps them.

[Doctor Amadeus]

I guess my biggest question right now is why are politicians and billionaires allowed to basically play so much bullshit to the point it doesn't matter who they hurt or how many lives are cost the DOJ does just about nothing. Rico laws didn't get rid of the Mob, they just transformed.

[Breccia]

Yep, considering the evidence that--

Hold on, I just thought of another reason why that was so stupid.

What is Bragg charging? That it was a hush payment and illegally forged documents to cover it up.

If he has proof that happened, the fact that he happens to have other pages that aren't proof, isn't exculpatory. 600 pages of Trump and Cohen discussing their favorite baseball teams doesn't mean Trump's innocent. It's Carlson's edited footage all over again.

(short pause)

And what happened to Carlson's footage? Up and vanished like a fart in the wind. Man, that was low-energy nothingbugers.

[PrimiOne]

You see where are we going ,right? Yeah, I'm pretty sure you do.

First you start eroding the legitimacy of the media. They all ( that criticize me) are liars and fake news and shouldn't be listened. I'm the only valid source of information.

Then you start creating a shadow of doubt over the legislative. Those communists ( lol at a single communist in the US house) trying to crash down this great nation and their cabal of satanistic children eater. They are like Bond villains laughing in their covens and have no morals. I'm the only with with moral authority.

You follow by poisoning the executive. That deep state infiltrated by traitors that is a constant obstacle to my policies, that...well, everyone actually , the FBI, the NSA, the (again) communist CIA ( I really need to take an aspirin to process this idea...the communist...CIA)....that democrat councilman in a small town earning 20k/year that is the power not a millionaire receving billions in donations,no, the councilman is the one pulling the strings. I am the only one that can make the government work as you want.

But to my surprise it's not enough. No, it's not because there's this annoying concept called THE LAW where my claims needs to be verified by a meticulous process and despite it's cristal clear that I won the elections turns out that is not me who call it....it's the courts.

So I'm gonna be honest with you: even the courts are your enemy. The people that hate this great nation has infiltrated the judicial branch that have lost its legitimacy so in the next months when a tsunami of cases against me roll down...you know why. If I lose the next election and the courts lie saying I did...you know why.

....

This is what's left for Trump,this is his current agenda. The only thing left is adding the courts to the conspiracy so you shouldn't believe the media, you shouldn't trust the executive...and you shouldn't accept the courts legitimacy.They need to infiltrate the poisonous trumpism into that branch or ( as seen last time) MAGA won't be possible.

If he suceeds...you are fucked. But royally fucked,fucked as in start setting Mexico and Canada locations in your GPS because shit is gonna get ugly real fast.

[Mekh]

First you start eroding the legitimacy of the media. They all ( that criticize me) are liars and fake news and shouldn't be listened. I'm the only valid source of information.

By now I'm pretty certain the plan of right-wing "news" here at least is to just do a bad a job as possible, dragging down the whole concept of journalism, so it's all just one field of entertainment and people pick whatever channel they want, which will end up being the one with the most salacious lies.

[Breccia]

Wishful thinking? I hope not.

Trump Attorneys Tell Him to Prepare to Lose to Alvin Bragg

Since last month, according to two sources familiar with the matter, some of Trump’s lawyers have told him that if he is criminally charged in New York City, he should be prepared to lose. There’s a widespread belief in Trumplandia — including within the ex-president’s legal orbit — that it would be difficult for Trump to get an impartial jury in the Democratic stronghold of Manhattan. Instead, these Trump attorneys are telling him his best chance is to win on appeal.

“Trump is more confident in his chances [than others are], but when some of us have brought this [idea of counting on an appeal] up to him … it seemed like he believed we had a good point,” one of the sources says.

Trump was going to appeal anyhow. Even with zero point zero percent chance, his goal is now to stall as long as possible.

That said, a felony conviction, even one later overturned, during the campaign is not the boon Trump thinks it is. Trump doesn't need to embolden his base, people like tehdang and GreenJesus would vote for him even if they saw Trump raping a goat. Trump needs to broaden his base, and this won't do it.

[Shadowferal]

If he appeals...he'll lose bigly. Add in a healthy dose of humiliation...and I for one will enjoy the spectacle for once.

[Breccia]

If he appeals...he'll lose bigly.

Now again, assuming the sources are accurate, I think they're right, in that Trump has a better chance arguing the law before a judge, than arguing the law before a judge and 12 NYC people. It's like saying a level 60 has a better chance in the 10.1 raid, than he does in the 10.1 raid while also wearing greens and whites.

- - - Updated - - -

Bragg responds to, well, the last few days, saying

Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg (D) for the first time on Thursday addressed a claim by Trump that he would be arrested in connection to an investigation into a hush money payment made to adult film star Stormy Daniels, calling it the creation of a “false expectation.”

Bragg, in response to demands by House Republicans to force his testimony and turn over all documents and communication on the case, wrote in a letter to Congress that such a move was an “unprecendent[ed] inquiry into a pending local prosecution.”

“The letter only came after Donald Trump created a false expectation that he would be arrested the next day and his lawyers reportedly urged you to intervene,” Bragg wrote.

Bragg has already said that he's not going to comment on an ongoing investigation. Because that's how proper law enforcement goes.

[Edge-]

https://thehill.com/regulation/court...battery-trial/

A federal judge has ordered an anonymous jury in former President Trump’s sexual battery civil trial next month, citing in part his call for protests as an indictment looms in a separate probe.

U.S. District Judge Lewis Kaplan ruled on Thursday that the jurors need protection from harassment, referencing the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol attack and Trump’s various statements attacking jurors and officials involved in other cases.

Author E. Jean Carroll is set to take Trump to trial late next month after she accused him during his presidency of raping her in the mid-1990s. Trump has repeatedly denied Carroll’s claims.

“Mr. Trump’s quite recent reaction to what he perceived as an imminent threat of indictment by a grand jury sitting virtually next door to this Court was to encourage ‘protest’ and to urge people to ‘take our country back,’” Kaplan wrote.

“That reaction reportedly has been perceived by some as incitement to violence. And it bears mention that Mr. Trump repeatedly has attacked courts, judges, various law enforcement officials and other public officials, and even individual jurors in other matters,” the ruling continued.

Trump’s and Carroll’s lawyers had not raised the issue of an anonymous jury, which is typically reserved for terrorism and organized crime cases, but the Clinton-nominated judge on his own accord asked the parties if they had any objections to using one.

Neither party did so, although the New York Daily News and the Associated Press lodged an objection.

“If jurors’ identities were disclosed, there would be a strong likelihood of unwanted media attention to the jurors, influence attempts, and/or of harassment or worse of jurors by supporters of Mr. Trump,” Kaplan ruled.

Yes, this lawsuit is still ongoing.

And yes, the judge is basically calling out Trump and his stooges are viewed as a fairly specific threat to them and general order given his recent calls for violence.

[Gorsameth]

https://thehill.com/regulation/court...battery-trial/



Yes, this lawsuit is still ongoing.

And yes, the judge is basically calling out Trump and his stooges are viewed as a fairly specific threat to them and general order given his recent calls for violence.

Good of the judge to look out for the safety of the jurors.

But you also have to wonder how on earth you could get an impartial jury when they know they are being protected from direct threats by the defendant.

[Breccia]

But you also have to wonder how on earth you could get an impartial jury when they know they are being protected from direct threats by the defendant.

We had this discussion already. I think @Endus said something like "the neutral reaction can still be that Trump is a horrible human being". Just because the jurors know that Trump and his violent cult of terrorists are a danger to them, doesn't make them partial. It just makes them aware of the issue.

Impartial, neutral people still regard Nazis as the monsters of human's history.

[Edge-]

https://twitter.com/keithedwards/sta...91071655616512

Trump, in another very calm ALL CAPS "TRUTH" complains that Alvin Bragg is a "SOROS BACKED ANIMAL" hitting on both antisemitism and racism at once.

I wonder when he's going to "truth" out some allcaps DO SOMETHING!!!! again.

[s_bushido]

Truly, the most stable of geniuses.

[masterhorus8]

We had this discussion already. I think @Endus said something like "the neutral reaction can still be that Trump is a horrible human being". Just because the jurors know that Trump and his violent cult of terrorists are a danger to them, doesn't make them partial. It just makes them aware of the issue.

Impartial, neutral people still regard Nazis as the monsters of human's history.

Yeah, this was something I was talking about to someone else yesterday. People can still be impartial even if they learn someone is an asshole prior.

[Breccia]

You're fired.

1) Wanna see the video of Giuliani personally destroying the defense of Team Trump in the Cohen case?

They funnelled it through a law firm, then Trump repaid it. When I heard Cohen’s retainer while he was doing no work, I said, ‘that’s how (Trump’s) repaying it

-- 2018 Giuliani

Now, he didn't say it under oath, but he did say it on FOX News, which means Trump supporters are assumed to accept what Giuliani said as fact and must now acknowledge that Trump used political money to pay off the whore he fucked. I mean, I guess they could admit either FOX News and/or Giuiliani is a liar, but you know the rules, if they don't in 24 hours we may safely assume they have accepted Giuliani's take and therefore that Trump broke the law.

2) Remember this?

Long story short, Tapioca met with Daniels and the two of them talked business. While Daniels did not hire Tapioca, Tapioca is not allowed to divulge information about Daniels' case. It's illegal.

UPDATE: Burning the CNN point from the previous part of this very post to cite a CNN exclusive. Stormy Daniels has turned over communications with Tapicoa, yes they are from 2018, to the relevant authorities.

Tapioca cannot divulge or use anything between himself and a client, or potential client. That's still confidential. As he's currently representing Trump in this case, proof that he discussed the matter with Daniels is likely disqualifying.

3) DWAC fires CEO and president Orlando.

He's still on the board, he still owns stock. But he no longer leads the merger-esque company.

Digital World Acquisition Corp.
, the publicly traded blank check company that planned to merge with former president Donald Trump’s social media company, fired its CEO earlier this week, according to a Wednesday filing.

The former CEO, Patrick Orlando, will remain as a director for the company. He and his other company ARC Global Investments each own 10% of DWAC. The DWAC board appointed Eric Swider, another director, to serve as interim chief executive while the board works on executing a final succession plan. Orlando and a DWAC representative didn’t immediately respond to requests for comment.

In a Wednesday announcement, DWAC cited “unprecedented headwinds” that necessitated a leadership change in order for the company to enter a “new phase.”

The company had aimed to merge with Trump Media and Technology Group, the parent of Truth Social, but has delayed finalizing that deal. In November, the company secured a deadline extension for the Trump Media merger until September 2023. If it had not gotten that extension, it faced liquidation. The delays have cost the company $100 million.

“I know it has been a challenging process for the shareholders,” Swider said in Wednesday’s announcement.

I imagine it's very challenging for the stockholders who weren't the original stockholders, i.e. the board. The board is getting their money back. Literally every other shareholder who bought later has lost money since.

Actually no, the price went up 1%-ish today. I guess DWAC is in such peril that firing the CEO is good news.

4) A lot of sources are citing the story that Melania Trump is, as one would expect, still not happy with Trump paying $130,000 to a whore when (a) she's his wfe (b) she's the mother of one of his children (c) she's the woman he cheated on his second wife with, and she wanted to be the last and not the middle of the Human Adultery Centipede¹ and (d) she's a fucking supermodel.

"Melania is leading her own life, and still feels happy being at Mar-a-Lago, surrounded by people who love her and who never talk about reality, or bad things about her husband," a social source tells PEOPLE.

But that doesn't mean she's supportive of her husband's role in the alleged hush money payment, which stems from a rumored extramarital affair with Daniels. The former porn star has claimed the affair took place less than four months after Melania gave birth to the couple's son, Barron, in 2006.

"She remains angry and doesn't want to hear [the alleged hush money payment] mentioned," the source tells PEOPLE. "She is aware of who her husband is and keeps her life upbeat with her own family and a few close friends."

bla bla bla court case stuff we know

Melania, meanwhile, "wants to ignore it and hopes it will pass, but she doesn't sympathize with Donald's plight," the source tells PEOPLE.

While the source tells PEOPLE that Melania and Donald live in separate quarters of their Mar-a-Lago estate, the two are still often spotted eating dinner together or attending events at the private club.

"She does very well with all of her socializing duties," the source continues. "They still see friends for dinner at the club, but live separately and do what they want on their own. They don't spend that much time together."

But oh, there's more. Maybe PEOPLE isn't your favorite source, despite that this is celeb gossip and their forte. The Washington Examiner and WaPo might be more your style.

You may remember that the first lady remained in New York City while her husband moved into the White House at the beginning of his presidency. While it was reported at the time that Melania stayed behind to finish out the school year of her son Barron, a 2020 biography by Mary Jordan revealed that she was actually renegotiating her prenup. While the Daniels saga only became public knowledge in 2018, during the 2016 general election, numerous women alleged that Trump had sexually harassed them after his 2005 wedding to Melania. While Trump made headlines for his infidelity during his first marriage, the 2016 deluge of allegations marked the first time Melania was publicly humiliated in this way. At the start of a presidency the entire pundit class dreamed would be disastrous, Melania thus had enormous leverage.

"According to three people close to Trump, Jordan writes, Melania had finally renegotiated the prenup to her liking," the Washington Post relayed from Jordan's biography. "She had already been looking out for Barron’s future by making sure he had dual citizenship in Slovenia, which will position him to work in Europe for the Trump Organization when he comes of age. Now, she had made sure he was not shut out of the family business."

A re-negotiated prenup would be very interesting indeed. And yes, Melania would have had massive leverage. The Republican Party, especially around 2016, had accepted they were putting an incompetent, inexperienced, unqualified failure at the head of their party. A divorce would have sunk things at the time and is even more dangerous now, since in 2016 they gave up on all other alternatives like fucking spineless Pences, but in 2024 they clearly have options.

Speaking of: Inside Edition says Melania has little interest in standing by a man of conviction. Hardee har har.

"She's not lending him a whole lot of moral support and I'm sure she's still thinking: 'You got yourself into this mess. I'm certainly not going to walk beside you and support you as you try to get out of it."'

Those are the words of Stephanie Grisham, who is speaking out about her former bosses Melania and Donald Trump as the former president face possible indictment this week by a Manhattan grand jury.

Grisham says that this time around, Melania is unlikely to be standing by her man — or attending court hearings.

"I would be very, very surprised. I would be very surprised to see her in court," Grisham tells Inside Edition. "Because it has to do with Stormy Daniels. It's just not in her to stand by her man for something like that."

Grisham says that like many wives, Melania was disgusted when she learned her husband allegedly had an affair with the legendary porn star.

"She always said to me, 'this is his problem,'" Grisham tells Ann Mercogliano.

I've said for a while that Melania would divorce Trump while her half was worth something. Didn't know about the prenup, of course, so I'll admit I had inaccurate intel. But her leverage now is arguably even stronger. It's one thing for someone, who was already a mistress, to accept the "grab 'em by the pussy" tape. It's another for Trump to fuck another woman so hard, it's a federal election issue.

While Melania's new prenup, like her old one, probably spells out "even if Trump cheats on Melania, Melania loses everything if she leaves" but Trump is in a situation to lose more than everything. Trump is a narcisitic sociopath, he's terrified of being viewed as a failure, but it's less insane of him that he's insane of going to jail.

The grand jury on the whore payment continues Monday. I do not believe the aforementioned Tapioca issue was the reason, although I admit it's possible if he illegally introduced evidence...in a grand jury, that doesn't make sense, nevermind. But bear in mind, this is a grand jury not a regular jury, it doesn't require a unanimous verdict to indict, only a majority.

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¹ Not apologizing for that image. His wives and whores are the ones lining up to be fucked in order. I'm just the one pointing it out.