Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Breccia]

What's possibly even more baffling is Trump claiming this indictment is "election interference".

This can't be baffling to you. You know what Trump is going for when he said that. It's not baffling at all that Trump can't win the case on the merits and is looking at every other remaining option to not face the consequences of all that stuff he did.

P.S. If you donate $47, then the T-shirt isn't free. It's included. Fuckin' liars.

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Well, okay. There was technically violence. You be the judge on how bad this is:

Protesters outside a Manhattan courthouse fought over a banner reading “Trump lies all the time,” ahead of Trump’s arraignment on Tuesday.

A woman wearing a red hat walked into the middle of the massive banner, which was laid out on the ground, as both anti-Trump and pro-Trump demonstrators gathered on Tuesday morning. She began trying to gather up the banner, before tripping and falling on the fabric, according to multiple videos of the incident.

Several anti-Trump protesters attempted to reposition the banner, but the woman dragged the banner after her as she stood up, knocking over another person in the process.

“You’re on the wrong side,” the woman yelled, as the anti-Trump protesters tried to yank the banner away.

Another woman wrapped in an American flag with a “Make America Great Again” hat joined in the effort amid shouts of “tear this shit up,” before members of the New York Police Department ultimately broke up the scuffle.

I did say I expected some violence. I did not expect a Three Stooges routine.

Also:

Appeals court upholds order for Jan. 6 testimony from Meadows, other Trump officials

Yeah, that's still a thing. Unlike "absolute immunity". Which is not a thing.

[Edge-]

Which spineless fascist has the better form with their fist pump? I appreciate that they're both wearing dark blue suits and red ties to make the comparisons all the easier.

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https://twitter.com/JoyceWhiteVance/...29049442369537

Donald Trump Jr. has posted a picture of the judge's daughter on truth social.

Also on Twitter.

It's an effort to show the judge has a conflict because his daughter worked for the Biden-Harris campaign. That's not a conflict for the judge & exposing his family to risk by posting photos like this, completely unacceptable.

He's reposting a story on breitbart that contains the photo.

In which Trump's stupid fuckin kid paints a target on the back of the judges daughter, who has nothing to do whatsoever with this case and who we all know will face a tsunami of harassment and likely some stalking given the outcomes of previous attempts by right wingers and right wing media to instigate violence against innocent people.

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And separately - https://www.salon.com/2023/04/04/exp...to-the-scheme/

Legal experts said new revelations about obstruction evidence collected by special counsel Jack Smith's team could land former President Donald Trump in deep legal trouble.

Smith's team has obtained evidence that Trump personally rummaged through boxes of secret government documents he took home to Mar-a-Lago and has been "asking witnesses if Trump showed classified documents, including maps, to political donors," The Washington Post reported on Sunday.

Former acting Solicitor General Neal Katyal told MSNBC that the evidence could be "devastating" for Trump's defense.

"It ties Trump directly to the scheme," he said. "If it holds up and, of course, we don't know — and Trump is entitled to the presumption of innocence and all that, but if that's what [special counsel] Jack Smith is looking at and looks like what he got, that's going to be very devastating."

So if Trump, the id of the Republican party, listened to his own id and decided to show off classified documents to donors to wow and impress them to earn their lavish praise and some dollars, that's gonna be funny.

He really is the id of the Republican party taken physical form in so many ways.

[Goat7]

Maybe Hillary can send him some soap on a rope when he gets to prison. Or maybe his supporters can put some money on his account so he can make calls and get some diet coke. buhahahahahaha

real talk tho, all the crazy insane shit he has got away with over the last 50-60 years and a couple of hookers/pornstars gonna finally get him caught. buhahahaha

[Poopymonster]

They need to slap his ass with a gag order immediately. This buffoon can't help but run his mouth and insult everyone who is involved in something that might be critical of or potentially against him. I hope they give him a gag order and he moronically breaks it and gets slapped with more charges.

That would be fucking hilarious, a gag order.
The only gag order Trump followed was when Vlad's impaler was nestled in his gullet.

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Even without a gag order, publicly attacking the prosecutor once charges are filed can be treated as obstruction of justice, and attacking the judge can be considered contempt of court.

He could make one slap about the "corrupt Soros-funded judge" and then immediately go to jail until he publicly retracts and apologizes.

Soros is a public figure, but at what point does it become defamation or slander?

[Edge-]

Citation needed

https://apnews.com/article/capitol-s...68588784202314

I mean, if you need a recent example that was discussed in front of the House of Representatives just last year, here you go.

[Edge-]

Complete hearsay without evidence.

...hearsay?

1. This is not a court.

2. The person testifying about themselves can't be subject to "hearsay" in describing what happened to them, that's simply not what the word means.

3. She was under oath, I believe.

Did you have a point here or are you just knee-jerk reacting to things and repeating words you've heard are important?

[Pratt]

The truly terrifying part is that if the charges don't stick he's 100% going to get elected again.

[Breccia]

Charges include conspiracy.

Um...I'm pretty sure that's very bad for Trump. I won't summon MMO-C's favorite lawyer, but I will let him contradict me if I'm wrong.

Conspiracy (possibly involving RICO) means more than one person -- and if one's guilty, the rest are pretty much guilty. True, it's possible that (hypothetical) Cohen lied to Trump Org accountants and withdrew the money, then lied and said Trump ordered that. I admit that's possible. But if two people are said to have worked together and one says "yes, I admit it, we did the crime together" that's pretty bad news for the other person. "Yes, I admit it, we did the crime together, and here's the proof that we did it together" is crippling.

"What if Cohen, or whoever, has a plea deal? Don't they have incentive to lie?"

No. If you get a plea deal to implicate someone else, and your testimony turns out to be false, the prosecution against that someone else is massively helped, your plea deal is broken, and then you get perjury. Cohen's the second-smartest lawyer Trump ever fired, he's not doing that out of spite.

Conspiracy is something I should have expected, but didn't. And yes, the difference is important.

What do you think?

[Breccia]

Citation needed

January 6th and the hammer attack on Pelosi should have already occurred to you when @Edge- said "given the outcomes of previous attempts".

You do not need a citation to know that Trump supporters have been violent in the past. You've been on these forums for a while, you already knew that.

[Edge-]

No it's hearsay because it's not first hand. There's not always an oath when testifying to congress.

It's...not firsthand? Her describing what happened to her?

Again, you seem to be falling for the Republican problem of thinking words don't have definitions and can mean whatever you want them to mean.

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Democrats don't understand the Streisand effect.

This has absolutely nothing to do with the Streisand effect, either.

Seriously, I cannot recommend enough that you do a basic web search for words and terms before posting them. You clearly read or heard these buzzwords somewhere and should really investigate further before parroting them.

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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/don...ment-rcna78051

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A listing of all 34 charges.

[fwc577]

Democrats don't understand the Streisand effect.

I don't think Linkdeblade understands what the Striesand effect is. We're not trying to conceal or censor information related to Trump, we're trying to ensure he suffers the consequences of breaking the law like every other American. If this somehow, increases his popularity enough to win re-election (it won't) then that isn't the Striesand Effect that is occurring here.

Striesand effect has a very specific meaning. This is not it. Learn what a word means before you accuse other people of not understanding what that word means.

[Belize]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/don...ment-rcna78051

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Nice and easy to remember

[Draco-Onis]

The truly terrifying part is that if the charges don't stick he's 100% going to get elected again.

He will most likely just get a fine and there's nothing in the constitution that says you can't run for office as a convicted criminal.

[Edge-]

I don't think Linkdeblade understands what the Striesand effect is. We're not trying to conceal or censor what Trump has done, we're trying to arrest him for it. If this somehow, increases his popularity enough to win re-election (it won't) then that isn't the Striesand Effect that is occurring here.

Striesand effect has a very specific meaning. This is not it. Learn what a word means before you accuse other people of not understanding what that word means.

I almost want to poke around to see which idiot conservative on Twitter or whatever mentioned "hearsay" and "the streisand effect" today because most of the time someone comes into this forum throwing buzzword bombs without having the foggiest clue what they mean it's usually trackable back to some guy vlogging from the driver's seat of his truck in front of a Denny's or something.

(Note: I love Denny's, they make delicious food that will absolutely stop your heart if you eat it too often)

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He will most likely just get a fine and there's nothing in the constitution that says you can't run for office as a convicted criminal.

I doubt anything will happen anytime soon.

Reminder that Ken Paxton was indicted in 2015 and just won re-election as TX AG in 2022.

[masterhorus8]

I don't think Linkdeblade understands what the Striesand effect is. We're not trying to conceal or censor information related to Trump, we're trying to ensure he suffers the consequences of breaking the law like every other American. If this somehow, increases his popularity enough to win re-election (it won't) then that isn't the Striesand Effect that is occurring here.

Striesand effect has a very specific meaning. This is not it. Learn what a word means before you accuse other people of not understanding what that word means.

What I find really hilariously is that this could be used the other way because this is all because a certain cheeto was trying to hide his affiliations.

[Milchshake]

Eyyyy the TV bobbleheads were jumping the gun, there's the other crimes...


BRAGG: “The indictment doesn’t specify which other crimes were committed because the law doesn’t require it. Here are the other crimes:
New York State election law (conspiracy)
False statements to tax authorities
Federal election law caps on contributions.”
Bragg would NOT say why the other crimes were not charged.

[Edge-]

Admittedly hiding the mugshot or not doing it because they know the trumpers will rally around it.

That was a request from the Trump team.

Where on earth are you getting your misinformation from?

[Edge-]

It's the Streisand effect for the mugshot photo. Either way it's free publicity.

Again, that's not why there was no mugshot according to reporting. You still don't seem to understand what the Streisand effect is because even if it was a choice that's not fuckin it, rofl.

You can't "bury" something that doesn't exist, and in the process make it more widely known than ever.

It's hearsay because the threats weren't made directly toward the lady from Georgia.

Moss, who is Black, said she received messages “wishing death upon me. Telling me that I’ll be in jail with my mother. And saying things like, ‘Be glad it’s 2020 and not 1920.’”

It helps if you read links before lying.

And the kicker to all that is if there were a credible threat, there would be charges and arrests.

"It's not illegal so it's fine" is irrelevant to pointing out, accurately, that the judges daughter would hardly be the first innocent victim that the right wing mob harassed online.

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I saw a quote from one of the shitty lefty mainstream channels of the guy saying that.

Sure Jan, sure you did.

[Breccia]

Complete hearsay without evidence.

Edge- posted a link in which evidence was provided.

Moss, who is Black, said she received messages “wishing death upon me. Telling me that I’ll be in jail with my mother. And saying things like, ‘Be glad it’s 2020 and not 1920.’”

Testimony is evidence. Text messages are also evidence.

I don't think you read the link. Or, you don't know what evidence is.

By the way, Trump was still indicted today.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Democrats don't understand the Streisand effect.

Streisand effect is where a previously untapped audience is brought into knowledge about a certain figure through negative press. I'm pretty sure if someone doesn't already know about Trump, they've been living under a rock.

If Republicans think Trump being indicted (and eventually convicted) is going to get him elected in 2024, they're huffing copium hardcore. It's all cope seethe and mald. They're mad that fat orange Jesus is being held accountable and are looking to try and fire back with pathetic empty threats. They can cope seethe and mald all they want, a madman criminal running for president isn't going to galvanize his base any more than they already are, as Trump "hype" is pretty much at an all time low. Rallies have such pathetic attendance it's funny.

But we've also seen plenty of evidence that "People get more conservative as they age" is not only mostly BS, as there barely exists any shift at all from previous generations (Something like 5-10%), but millenials and Gen Z are actually shifting LEFT as they age. Combine that with the drastically increasing gun violence with kids growing up participating in bi-weekly active shooter drills, and Republicans are setting themselves up for massive failure in the next 20 years.



But anyway, has it been covered in this thread that

1. MTG and Don Jr have posted pictures of the judge's daughter on Twitter and Truth Social? Wonder if they can tack intimidation and incitement of violence onto this court case...

2. One of the charges against Trump is that he cut a check (once again from campaign funds) for $30k to a door man of Trump tower to squash a story that he fathered a child out of wedlock with a house keeper. Oh man, the Christians are going to TOTALLY be angry about this infidelity, I'm sure! Because they like totally aren't charlatans using Christianity as some kind of political persecution tool rather than actually following its teachings, right?