Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Breccia]

It's not a conspiracy.

Correct. Because it's not happening. You have nothing.

[Kaleredar]

1) Don't play innocent that the right has been anymore violent than the left in the last decade. I know your smarter than that. Posting someones picture isn't a crime. Unless you try to profit off of it or it's evidence of a crime. And that's what these politicians always do. Make attacks against a person, then their family and anyone else immediately connected to.

2) Pointing out how cult like religion is is just like pointing out how cult like this entire thread is. Topkek.

The right wing has been more violent than the left, that’s a statistical fact.

How many plots to kidnap governors has the left perpetrated in the last decade?

How many insurrection attempts has the left perpetrated in the last decade?

How many capitol buildings has the left raided in the last decade, resulting in hundreds of arrests and convictions?

How many rallies has the left held wherein people chanting “Jews will not replace us” done in the last decade?

How many Vice presidential candidate buses has the left run off the road in the past decade?

Because I can cite examples of conservatives doing exactly all of those things in a coordinated, planned fashion.


Meanwhile conservatives are hand-wringing about left-wing people peacefully protesting while pushing for women’s rights and gun control. Empty hypocrisy and feigned outrage is all you have.

[Breccia]

And neither does the Manhattan DA.

The grand jury disagrees. That's why Trump was indicted today.

[Cthulhu 2020]

1) Don't play innocent that the right has been anymore violent than the left in the last decade. I know your smarter than that. Posting someones picture isn't a crime. Unless you try to profit off of it or it's evidence of a crime. And that's what these politicians always do. Make attacks against a person, then their family and anyone else immediately connected to.

I won't deny that there has been some violence from left leaning protests, but to claim that the left is somehow equally violent as the right is just hilariously fucking stupid. I realize that people post images on twitter all the time of "left wing violence" with 4 images of cities on fire and claim they're the results of BLM or Antifa protests. When those images are fact checked it literally turns up stories about house fires or entirely different countries that aren't even the US. You've been had if you believe every whataboutism post of buildings on fire are examples of left wing violence.

But I think it's even funnier that you didn't even directly address my point, and went straight for the whataboutism yourself. Instead of acknowledging that this is most certainly an intent to intimidate, you opt for "WHAT ABOUT THE LEFT" and "BOTH SIDES ARE THE SAME". If only you could address a claim instead of pointing at a strawman and screaming that everyone look away from the blatant intimidation that the right is committing. Do you support political violence? If not, you should have just denounced the obvious intimidation rather than trying to distract. But it's not like I expected anything different from a right wing poster. That's their MO after all. Distract, Deflect.

2) Pointing out how cult like religion is is just like pointing out how cult like this entire thread is. Topkek.

"REPUBLICANS FOR TRUMP MIGHT BE A CULT WHO BELIEVE HE CAN NEVER DO ANY WRONG AND THAT WE SHOULDN'T BE A COUNTRY OF LAW AND ORDER BECAUSE OUR FAT ORANGE JESUS IS A GOD KING, BUT SO IS A THREAD OF SOME PEOPLE SHARING INFORMATION ABOUT ALL THE CRIMES TRUMP HAS COMMITTED LELELELEL"

[Breccia]

Speaking of Trump supporters being violent, the judge specifically told Trump to be more careful on social media because his posts could be taken as threats.

The New York judge overseeing the Manhattan district attorney’s case against Donald Trump warned the former president on Tuesday to “refrain” from social media posts with the potential to incite violence.

Judge Juan Merchan’s warning comes after Trump called for protests ahead of his indictment last month and suggested that charges could result in “potential death & destruction.”

Trump’s attorney Todd Blanche said in court during Tuesday’s arraignment that the former president had “responded forcefully” and was “frustrated” and “upset” by the request.

Yep, that's Team Trump saying it's okay because he was upset. Aww, he's upset. Fuck your feelings, Trump.

“Imagine anybody in this courtroom who was in that position,” Blanche said, adding, “Every one of these posts are not threats.”

The judge told Trump’s legal team that he does not “share your view”

To be fair, the judge wasn't happy with Cohen going public either. That doesn't excuse Trump.

This isn't a gag order, but it is a warning shot.

[Edge-]

And neither does the Manhattan DA.

Eyo, when was the last time Trump was indicted? You seem to be in the know about that and I haven't been able to turn anything up!

Did you confuse "indicted" with "impeached", on accident in your excitement?

[Cthulhu 2020]

The right wing has been more violent than the left, that’s a statistical fact.

How many plots to kidnap governors has the left perpetrated in the last decade?

How many insurrection attempts has the left perpetrated in the last decade?

How many capitol buildings has the left raided in the last decade, resulting in hundreds of arrests and convictions?

How many rallies has the left held wherein people chanting “Jews will not replace us” done in the last decade?

How many Vice presidential candidate buses has the left run off the road in the past decade?

Because I can cite examples of conservatives doing exactly all of those things in a coordinated, planned fashion.


Meanwhile conservatives are hand-wringing about left-wing people peacefully protesting while pushing for women’s rights and gun control. Empty hypocrisy and feigned outrage is all you have.

Lest we forget that police have in the past let Proud Boys through blocks and barricades to get at peaceful left wing protests before.

Lest we forget that we have tons of videos of completely peaceful left wing protests standing around and chanting, and suddenly get rubber bullets and fire hoses pulled on them.

Lest we forget that right wing protests have an actual body count, while left wing protests don't. (Oh wait, won't somebody please think of the poor trash cans that get knocked over?!)

Lest we forget that many politicians in the right have either publicly or anonymously stated that they fall in line because they acknowledge that violence will be visited upon them by the base if they don't follow the god king's orders. Mike Pence among them.

Lest we forget how much the right has taunted the left for being "Weak" and "whiny" rather than "Alpha" and "masculine", and yet somehow when the discussion shifts to right wing violence, they immediately flip the narrative to "Well the left likes to use violence and intimidation just as much if not more!" Remember folks, under fascism your opponent is both weak and incompetent while at the same time being insurmountably strong and cunning.

[Edge-]

https://newrepublic.com/post/171616/...d-manhattan-da

Did Trump have a child out of wedlock?

Twice-impeached former President Donald Trump was charged with 34 counts of falsifying business records on Tuesday. Trump became the first former president ever to be indicted for his role in disbursing hush money payments to porn actress Stormy Daniels. And what else was among those payments? A $30,000 payment to a former Trump Tower doorman for their silence about a potential Trump child out of wedlock.

“In one instance, American Media Inc. (‘AM’), paid $30,000 to a former Trump Tower doorman, who claimed to have a story about a child TRUMP had out of wedlock,” the Manhattan district attorney’s office announced Tuesday, referring to the company that owned The National Inquirer at the time.

Oh boy, I recall the rumors of the doorman paid to keep quiet about a possible "secret" child. This sure adds some weight to those claims.

And given that American Media apparently made an agreement with the feds to protect themselves for prosecution as they rolled over to show the feds their soft, fluffy belly I'm inclined to believe they've got the receipts to back it up.

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https://twitter.com/letsgomathias/st...69371744370689

So in addition to media reportedly outnumbering Trump supporters around 30:1 and some of them showing up to have a fun time, it seems a few Nazi's also showed up.
Curiously, covering their faces because I guess they're embarrassed to be identified as Nazi's.

[Breccia]

I guess they're embarrassed to be identified as Nazi's.

Or, alternative take, they're embarrassed to be identified as Trump supporters.

[Edge-]

Man, why do I feel like we're not gonna get any answers about when Trump was indicted before this : (

[Taifuu]

And neither does the Manhattan DA.

Please enlighten us, in your words, on what you think a grand jury actually is and does. Because you're posting in good faith, right? You're looking for a discussion and not just schilling for people who equate Trump with Jesus?

https://news.yahoo.com/marjorie-tayl...Y_ZMWOY4WVfj26

In an interview with the Right Side Broadcasting Network's Brian Glenn on her way to a pro-Trump rally in downtown Manhattan, Greene said that Trump "is joining some of the most incredible people in history being arrested today."

"Nelson Mandela was arrested, served time in prison," she added. "Jesus was arrested and murdered by the Roman government. There have been many people throughout history that have been arrested and persecuted by radical, corrupt governments, and it's beginning today in New York City, and I just can't believe it's happening, but I'll always support him. He's done nothing wrong."

[s_bushido]

The truly terrifying part is that if the charges don't stick he's 100% going to get elected again.

People said the same crap about 2020 and his impeachments. How'd that work out for him?

[Edge-]

People said the same crap about 2020 and his impeachments. How'd that work out for him?

To a point sure.

But then after Jan. 6 he was done and there was no way he was going to continue to have so much influence within the broader Republican party outside of his base and everyone was backing away into the bushes like Homer Simpson. If you went to /r/conservative for example there was nary a "MAGA" tag in sight as everyone was falling over themselves to rewrite the past 5 years of their history with many being called out on it. Now? Largely indistinguishable from the MAGA days.

We've seen how long that's lasted. We're a fickle country with serious short-term memory issues.

[Shadowferal]

[gondrin]

Maybe Hillary can send him some soap on a rope when he gets to prison. Or maybe his supporters can put some money on his account so he can make calls and get some diet coke. buhahahahahaha

real talk tho, all the crazy insane shit he has got away with over the last 50-60 years and a couple of hookers/pornstars gonna finally get him caught. buhahahaha

Well, he will be Al Capone part 2 without the mafia part of it. You also have Ted Bundy who killed over 30 people but wasn't caught until he got caught speeding. It is kind of a thing where big time criminals don't get caught on their main crimes but some small time crime that ends up giving evidence of them doing something far worse.

[Karreck]

The truly terrifying part is that if the charges don't stick he's 100% going to get elected again.

No. At best, he will win the Republican nomination, but he will die in a general election. Remember, Trump has never won the popular vote. Look at how Trump backed candidates for House and Senate performed in the '22 midterms. He's 8 for 9 in Republican leaning areas, 1 for 7 in toss up races, and 0 for 4 in Democrat leaning areas. Trump will get wrecked (again) in a general election, even against Re-elect Me Biden, who is currently polling with a higher approval rating than Trump right now by the way. And that's not even including data that shows the majority of Americans want him to go to trail and think he is guilty of some kind of crimes.
This whole "Trump is a shoe in for '24" nonsense is just that, nonsense.

[gondrin]

1) They'd have to prove intimidation. Just posting someones picture isn't evidence of that exactly. And as everything ive responded to on the last few pages it's hearsay. Unless you're directly tagging a person and threatening them, then it's not a crime. Unless the photo is evidence of a crime.

2) appeals to and from religion don't matter to anyone. There's no such thing as a good Christian, especially when you have thousands of different flavors all with various amounts of zealotry.

The problem is if it were just a picture put on a T-shirt, nobody would care. However, since it can be quickly assumed that it was because of the charges brought against Trump and they weren't planning on doing it regardless, it should be easily to state that they were doing it to intimidate the judge that is dealing with the case.

Example: Posting a picture of Pelosi, fine. Posting a picture of Pelosi with a target on her head stating she should be removed, not fine and should be treated as a threat.

[Karreck]

Also, Happy Indictment Day for all those who celebrate.

[Twdft]

Wow indicted? Again? Wonder if they'll get anything to stick this time.

This time it's an actual indictment with a real trial, not just his buddies in the senate looking the other way.

[Edge-]

This time it's an actual indictment with a real trial, not just his buddies in the senate looking the other way.

That wasn't an indictment. That was an impeachment (well, a pair of them actually), which is a purely political process and has nothing to do with criminal law.