Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Breccia]

Since "Trump declassified them with his mind" has failed, the MAGAt crowd is now claiming (Along with Trump's speech last night) that the mere act of removing classified documents from the White House is an act of declassifying them.

Which, of course, is false. Otherwise Presidents would accidentally declassify any intel they took with them on a business trip, say, speaking at NATO.

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Once again, MMO-C's second favorite lawyer.



We know some of this, I admit I didn't know some of it.

1) Bragg didn't charge with election fraud because that statute of limitations had expired. Writing fraudulent checks has a longer shelf life.

2) The falsified documents were Trump paying Cohen a retainer while not being a client.

3) Some of the checks were Trump's own money, but it no longer matters, because Cohen claimed it was income and not reimbursement and filed taxes as such. That's falsifying a business document, and Trump literally signed off on it.

4) Trump tried to back out of paying after he won the election.

Which means, yes, it was a campaign contribution. Trump admitted it was when he, once again, tried to avoid paying someone to which he was contractually obligated.

[Cthulhu 2020]

MAGAts on Twitter: "You can't prosecute for X crime because it's past the statute of limitations!"

So you admit that he did it, but it's just been too long to indict him on it?

Also love the "YOU CAN'T INDICT A SITTING PRESIDENT" followed by "IT'S BEEN TOO LONG TO INDICT HIM ON THIS CRIME"

[postman1782]

worried the NY case wil get thrown out by the court and just vindicate trump and gop, when in terms of criminal liability there is much better cases optically and legally already being investigated such as the georgia interference. While trump is definitely guilty of falsifying records, the case hinges on it being a felony that he did it in advance of the prosecutor interpreting election law.

It won't. He's litereally on tape committing the crime.

[cubby]

MAGAts on Twitter: "You can't prosecute for X crime because it's past the statute of limitations!"

So you admit that he did it, but it's just been too long to indict him on it?

Also love the "YOU CAN'T INDICT A SITTING PRESIDENT" followed by "IT'S BEEN TOO LONG TO INDICT HIM ON THIS CRIME"

This was basically Trump's entire strategy. And generically speaking, he's done this his whole life. Ignored the law and then sue those that fight him into the ground.

[Cthulhu 2020]

So anyway, remember in 2016 when people like Linkedblade and others were claiming various Q conspiracies, like "The Great Awakening" which alluded to the sleeping majority of America waking up and unseating the corrupt establishment, as well as jailing every single Democrat being inevtiable? Anyone ever wonder what happened to that? Do you think those people are disillusioned that the great Q was a big hoax all a long, or are they blissfully following along with the latest conspiracy du jour?

[Edge-]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b2314744.html

In the continued alternate reality Republican live in, tens of thousands of Trump supporters came to NYC to support Trump!

Which contradicts with reports that media outnumbered Trump supporters about 30:1, and I'm skeptical there were hundreds of thousands of media around the courthouse, seems physically impossible.

[Breccia]

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In the continued alternate reality Republican live in, tens of thousands of Trump supporters came to NYC to support Trump!

It is possible Eric was telling the truth about Florida. He's objectively lying about NYC. I personally posted videos of MTG at the gathering.

In Manhattan, Eric also claimed that “every single intersection was closed” and that there “was an army outside of the courthouse” for his father’s arrival

So that's a Trump family member and Hannity, a Trump employee and longtime advocate. Well, you know the rules.

I admit Eric Trump and by proxy Hannity lied about the gathering in NYC, as was easily documented by the many journalists there. My silence means I don't just admit the lie, but I support the liar, I support the lying, and I encourage more of both by my lack of dissent.

-- all Trump supporters who don't say otherwise

[postman1782]

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trum...st-him-1792195

Trump's secret service that was stationed in Mar-a-Lago set to testify against him Friday in the DC Grand Jury in the classified documents case.

[Taifuu]

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trum...st-him-1792195

Trump's secret service that was stationed in Mar-a-Lago set to testify against him Friday in the DC Grand Jury in the classified documents case.

It was previously reported that Walt Nauta, a valet driver at Mar-a-Lago, was allegedly ordered by Trump to move boxes of documents into a storage room at Mar-a-Lago after the former president received the government subpoena to return the classified materials.

In June 2022, Trump's legal team is said to have "explicitly prohibited" federal agents from looking inside a storage room at Mar-a-Lago during their first attempt to recover the long-sought-after materials from Trump's Florida home.

I would love to hear the explanation as to why the FBI wasn't allowed to search the storage room. Their warrant was only for the docs; they couldn't just take memorabilia or accounting records if that was all they found inside.

[Breccia]

I would love to hear the explanation as to why the FBI wasn't allowed to search the storage room.

If the warrant says they were allowed to look there, and Trump's legal team said "please don't" and the FBI didn't, that's on the FBI, sadly.

If the warrant didn't allow them, it's because they didn't have probable cause -- which means they were told precisely where everything else was. Which in turn means, their source didn't know about the storage room, and as such, is likely a SS agent.

[Taifuu]

If the warrant says they were allowed to look there, and Trump's legal team said "please don't" and the FBI didn't, that's on the FBI, sadly.

If the warrant didn't allow them, it's because they didn't have probable cause -- which means they were told precisely where everything else was. Which in turn means, their source didn't know about the storage room, and as such, is likely a SS agent.

I thought the warrant was to search the grounds in general, not just specific areas. I would like to hear the reasoning that was given to the FBI, though, as to why they couldn't. I can't imagine anyone from Trump's team that would be able to give a reason that doesn't reek of suspicion.

[Breccia]

I thought the warrant was to search the grounds in general, not just specific areas..

I'll look shortly, but I could have sworn it was three rooms.

EDIT:

Statutes Identified in the Mar-a-Lago Warrant
The Mar-a-Lago warrant separately describes the premises to be searched (Attachment A) and the
property to be seized (Attachment B). The warrant authorized the search of all rooms in the Mar-a-Lago
resort that were used or available to former President Trump and his staff and in which boxes or
documents could be stored, but it excluded guest suites and private member areas. The warrant authorized
the government to seize all physical documents and records connected with three offenses defined in Title
18 of the U.S. Code.
18 U.S.C. § 793

https://crsreports.congress.gov/prod...f/LSB/LSB10810

[Edge-]

Reeeeeee.

34 Misdemeanors

Reeeeeee.

https://www.npr.org/2023/04/05/11681...er-damaging-in

Trump faces 34 felony counts of falsifying business records to cover damaging info

In case there was any confusion.

[unfilteredJW]

Reeeeeee.

34 Misdemeanors

Reeeeeee.

You should calm down your reeeing kiddo.

[unfilteredJW]

The hilarious part is you keep up with the conspiracies, because idk wtf you're talking about. This is an excellent of that bad faith that y'all always cry about.

You lied 3 posts up.

[Edge-]

Only a felony if it can be attributed to a crime.

You...know words have meaning, right?

Words have meaning.

I believe kids on the internet call it "copium".

[beanman12345]

The cope over a lifelong criminal being indicted sure is something.

Almost as funny as the cope from the last two elections.

[Zaydin]

This thread is 4300 pages of grade a lefty cope.

I'll never get the slavish devotion MAGAbillies have towards Trump when he has objectively been one of the worst things to happen to the American right wing since Dubya. How many elections have the GOP lost since he took over the party?

Overturning Roe vs Wade is also turning out to be a nightmare for the GOP since it has given Democrats something to rally around and the extremists in the GOP (Which is most of the party these days) can't help themselves from passing or trying to pass draconian anti-abortion laws with exceptions so deliberately poorly written that no doctor would risk performing an abortion unless the mother was literally about to die due to a nonviable pregnancy.

Kinda funny how MAGAbillies went from 'Trump will never be indicted!' to 'It's 34 misdemeanors' when it was in fact 34 felonies. Good luck seeing your Orange Overlord beating all 34 charges though. ANd he's still got to worry about the election theft investigation in Georgia and the Special Counsel investigating his theft of classified documents. The NY indictment is going to kick the door open for more indictments; no one wanted to be the first to do it but now that someone has, it'll be easier for other prosecutors to do so too.

[beanman12345]

And before there are more indictments, Trump will be in court later this month, pleading the fifth(like those who are guilty do according to Trump) over rape charges. The defense of him from those missing some chromosomes should be interesting, considering "grab them by the pussy" is a line most people in this entire world are probably fully aware of because Trump fucking bragging about sexually assaulting women.

And that's not even including the defamation lawsuit later this month as well where fox will lose billions because Loser trump lost.

The MAGA cope is just getting started. Honestly it hasn't stopped for years now.

[Taifuu]

This is the same person who doesn't know what a grand jury is. You can't expect them to know the difference between a misdemeanor and a felony, or even what either of those words even mean. I'm sure they view the DOJ's and Georgia's investigations as misdemeanors, too. Or at least the software that controls what the account posts, anyway. Guessing some right-wing version of ChatGPT.