Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Taifuu]

The grand jury is the one who saw the evidence and stated there was enough for charges to be pressed. The AG is the one following their recommendation.

There is ALWAYS a grand jury in cases like this. ALWAYS.

They don't know what a grand jury is, though, so they cannot fathom the relevance. It's a classic example of willful ignorance, assuming, of course, that they are posting in good faith. Assuming. I have a vague recollection of their being some phrase revolving around that word, though.

[Edge-]

That's the point. The only charge is falsifying a business document. To make it a felony it has to be used to obscure another crime.

But the indictment says they're felony indictments. Is the indictment lying?

I thought he was for the Jan 6 stuff. Either way, seems like a complete sham, again.

That's an impeachment, a political process. Indictment is a criminal process.

If you have any other basic questions about law or government feel free to ask, we're here to help clear up any confusion you have.

You don't get to dictate how I identify. I've not voted for a republican or democrat nominee for president. Granted I've only voted in 3 presidential elections. For more local elections that's harder.

You can say all this you want, that doesn't mean we'll believe you.

But not the crime that would allow them to be felonies.

Can you cite the law that says this? This is news to me and I'm a bit skeptical.

Capital punishment isn't murder.

What crimes were they convicted of?

Do better. There are more important issues than "orange man bad."

I'm sorry to disappoint you, orange man bad.

[jonnysensible]

Do better. There are more important issues than "orange man bad."

orange man who tried to install himself as dictator and end democracy is bad.

[Linkedblade]

But the indictment says they're felony indictments. Is the indictment lying?

Technically, it doesn't matter until the punishment is rendered, if they can proven felony falsification, and he's given more than a year of time, then he's a felon.

That's an impeachment, a political process. Indictment is a criminal process.

More show trials.

If you have any other basic questions about law or government feel free to ask, we're here to help clear up any confusion you have.

You're not even remotely qualified.

You can say all this you want, that doesn't mean we'll believe you.

Okay? cool.

Can you cite the law that says this? This is news to me and I'm a bit skeptical.

S 175.05 Falsifying business records in the second degree.
A person is guilty of falsifying business records in the second degree
when, with intent to defraud, he:
1. Makes or causes a false entry in the business records of an
enterprise; or
2. Alters, erases, obliterates, deletes, removes or destroys a true
entry in the business records of an enterprise; or
3. Omits to make a true entry in the business records of an enterprise
in violation of a duty to do so which he knows to be imposed upon him by
law or by the nature of his position; or
4. Prevents the making of a true entry or causes the omission thereof
in the business records of an enterprise.
Falsifying business records in the second degree is a class A misdemeanor.

S 175.10 Falsifying business records in the first degree.
A person is guilty of falsifying business records in the first degree
when he commits the crime of falsifying business records in the second
degree, and when his intent to defraud includes an intent to commit
another crime or to aid or conceal the commission thereof.
Falsifying business records in the first degree is a class E felony.

What crimes were they convicted of?

I said they weren't. Apparently theres so much evidence that either of them have committed a crime, but here were are with no punishment for either of them, and many others.

I'm sorry to disappoint you, orange man bad.

It shouldn't be my opinion of you that matters. But you, and people like you, have a multitude of other issues, and not just the strange fixation on Trump.

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Technically, it doesn't matter until the punishment is rendered, if they can proven felony falsification, and he's given more than a year of time, then he's a felon.

Good news: Nobody is calling him a felon. Yet. Just that these are felony indictments. This is how linear time works.

More show trials.

Not my fault you think "impeachment" and "indictment" are the same things. Don't get mad because I'm educating you.

You're not even remotely qualified.

I'm not! But I'm at least more qualified than you.

I said they weren't. Apparently theres so much evidence that either of them have committed a crime, but here were are with no punishment for either of them, and many others.

I see that falsifying records in the FIRST degree, the indicted charges, is a class E felony. Thanks for confirming that!

It shouldn't be my opinion of you that matters. But you, and people like you, have a multitude of other issues, and not just the strange fixation on Trump.

It doesn't matter, at least not to me. What other issues do I have, do you think? Do you spend much time thinking about my personal issues?

[Shadowferal]

I love the turn of phrases I'm reading here

In a brutally blunt piece for the New York Times, columnist Frank Bruni called out former first daughter Ivanka Trump for being nowhere to be seen in either Manhattan or at Mar-a-Lago on Tuesday after her ex-president father made history when he was indicted on 34 felony counts.

In his column steeped in sarcasm, Bruni began by noting her failure to be at Trump's side at Mar-a-Lago after his indictment, and asked, "Whither Ivanka? A fair-haired, fair-weather daughter has allegiances to re-examine and decisions to make, and not just about what to wear if there are jailhouse visits to come."

"Nepotism was never supposed to be this hard," Bruni wrote. "I ache for Ivanka. But mostly, I marvel at her — and at the many, many people like her who have a special talent, a preternatural discipline, for pausing at every pivotal crossroads and making a coldblooded, single-minded assessment: How do I navigate this to maximum advantage for me?"

"Now, well, there’s no figuring out where to turn or whom to burn. Daddy was just hauled into a Manhattan courthouse because of that smuttiness with the porn star. Can Ivanka play the part of a distracted onlooker without seeming like a 24-karat ingrate?" he wrote. "Nothing good for her can come of this, so she’s saying and doing almost nothing at all. She’s in limbo. She’s in hiding. She has gone from gaga to Garbo and wants to be left alone, at least until the Stormy weather clears."

"It’s a cracked political religion that the Brothers Trump practice, but at least they’re keeping the faith. Their sister has strayed. She always wanted all the glory without any of the sacrifice, Air Force One without the gale-force controversies, the big, bright stage that Daddy gave her without the critics’ pans. She always insisted that her transaction with him — oops, I mean relationship — keep her in the black," he wrote before concluding, "It’s not doing that anymore, so she’s establishing distance and projecting detachment, but in a pained way, with all that love in her heart.

#unwantedivanka wants to turn the page. She may find that impossible when the text is this soiled."

[Edge-]

I hope she still wakes up at night from nightmares of walking up to world leaders only to have them laugh in her face and then ignore her. Like the basically did multiple times she pretended she was a real politician that anyone respected or took seriously and not just the fuckin president's stupid daughter that he wants to fuck.

[Breccia]

In a brutally blunt piece for the New York Times, columnist Frank Bruni called out former first daughter Ivanka Trump for being nowhere to be seen in either Manhattan or at Mar-a-Lago on Tuesday after her ex-president father made history when he was indicted on 34 felony counts.

We've seen reports that Ivanka and Kushner have been backing away for a while now. Last we saw, Ivanka said something about being sad...and that's it.

Trump is both family members he wants to have sex with must be a terrible shock to him.

[Edge-]

We've seen reports that Ivanka and Kushner have been backing away for a while now. Last we saw, Ivanka said something about being sad...and that's it.

Trump is both family members he wants to have sex with must be a terrible shock to him.

Are they still crying that nobody invites them to fancy dinner parties in their neighborhood?

[Breccia]

Are they still crying that nobody invites them to fancy dinner parties in their neighborhood?

People who live in a private club are their own neighborhood. If they're not inviting each other, that's their problem.

Related: Jim Jordan subpoena's one of the prosecutors in the Trump case--

"Which one?"

Oh, that's not the point. This is the point:

As a result [of publishing a book about it], you have no basis to decline to testify about matters before the Committee that you have already discussed in your book and/or on a prime-time television program with an audience in the millions, including on the basis of any purported duty of confidentiality or privilege interest

"Didn't Bannon write a book about helping Trump get elected?"

Yes.

"Didn't he refuse to testify?"

Yes. But he did get in trouble for that.

"Did Jim Jordan say anything about it at the time?"

I don't believe so, no. I looked over the timeline in question, and Jordan was mostly interested in saying there was no connection between Trump and Rus...there was? That it wasn't a crime.

"If Jordan didn't express concern that Bannon refused to testify, why should we believe him now?"

To be fair, what he's saying right now probably has the weight of law behind it. He's just being a hypocrite. Oh, actually being a hypocrite, he knows what he's doing.

[Shadowferal]

Trump drawing to be first New Yorker cover featuring courtroom sketch

[Breccia]

(courtroom sketch)

That's the most caricature courtroom sketch I've seen. Those eyebrows. Think the New Yorker's record is fine.

[PosPosPos]

Except i dont.

Well, if you don't make it your life's purpose to defend people like Trump to the death, then maybe people won't be under the mistaken impression you support people like Trump.

Such a shame you don't seem to understand this simple logic.

Thou doth protest too much, methinks.

[unfilteredJW]

Well, if you don't make it your life's purpose to defend people like Trump to the death, then maybe people won't be under the mistaken impression you support people like Trump.

Such a shame you don't seem to understand this simple logic.

It’s same old faux enlightened middle bullshit. You see it a lot from totally not red caps as they only defend red cap policies.

[postman1782]

Then why wasn't he charged with it then. 34 counts of falsifying records, but not a single charge otherwise, which is important because that other charge is needed to make those felonies. Meaning all of the "34 felony" headlines are bogus.

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When you say stupid shit like this, i laugh because I'm not a republican. But this same stupid shit is going to get this idiot reelected. And then you lefties will continue this thread for another few thousand pages.

BECAUSE BILL BARR FUCKING QUASHED THE INVESTIGATION, and He was the SITTING FUCKING PRESIDENT. He couldn't be indicted. Also, those charges were upgraded to felonies, because he was covering up another crime.

Also for someone who claims to not be Republican, you sure do use the same Republican talking points.

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"hush money" isn't a crime.

State has no right to pursue charges on a federal crime, and that's irrelevant even if it is true. Again if there were another crime, they would have charged it. They haven't. This entire thing equates to the same penalty as some parking tickets.

It actually is when you use campaign funds to pay off people.

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You're right, they don't have to. But I'd wager it's because they don't have an underlying crime.

Except Michael Cohen went to prison for this exact crime, and Trump was Unindicted Co-Conspirator 1 in that case. Oh, and there is the recording of said crime.

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Considering Cohen is working with the prosecution, I think Bragg knows who signed which checks.

Also, until any Trump says it under oath, it's not trustworthy.

Also, we have the recording of Trump and Cohen committing the crime, and not Trump Jr.

[Linkedblade]

Well, if you don't make it your life's purpose to defend people like Trump to the death, then maybe people won't be under the mistaken impression you support people like Trump.

Such a shame you don't seem to understand this simple logic.

Thou doth protest too much, methinks.

A handful of forum posts is not quite "to the death."

[unfilteredJW]

A handful of forum posts is not quite "to the death."

Bro, you realize you have a post history we can look at right?

[Linkedblade]

Bro, you realize you have a post history we can look at right?

Go ahead and count then? My post history is about 6000 comments or so. This thread spans six years.

I don't even understand the point of it. Its just an unhealthy obsession over the former president.

[unfilteredJW]

Go ahead and count then? My post history is about 6000 comments or so. This thread spans six years.

I don't even understand the point of it. Its just an unhealthy obsession over the former president.

It didn’t take many till I got to a diversity hire rant so pretty easy tbh.

[Edge-]

Its just an unhealthy obsession over the former president.

Sorry that enforcing the law and holding everyone accountable is just really triggering for you.