Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Breccia]

I haven't heard anything involving the FBI and Oklahoma

I think you have.

[Taifuu]

No, but it would impact the big investigations into him stealing government records so classified they weren't allowed out of the buildings they were in and then after they were found and ordered returned how Trump is accused to going through them personally to attempt to keep the ones he wanted the most and the 2 billion or more his family has gotten from foreign nations since he left office who would also be highly interested in those documents which include some of our nuclear secrets and possibly our methods and sources for spying on other nations.

Quite literally charges that could get one of us locked up for life or executed if we had done it or even gotten near those documents.

Absolutely! I cannot find the article at the moment, but I remember reading a story about an agent that had accidentally taken classified docs home with her. IIRC, she returned them herself the next day, but she still lost her job. It's pretty messed up the number of former WH officials that are being discovered with classified docs. At least Biden is cooperating with the investigation, but it still never should have happened in the first place IMO. We live in a world where every country spies upon every other country; this shit should be taken more seriously.

[Edge-]

Absolutely! I cannot find the article at the moment, but I remember reading a story about an agent that had accidentally taken classified docs home with her. IIRC, she returned them herself the next day, but she still lost her job. It's pretty messed up the number of former WH officials that are being discovered with classified docs. At least Biden is cooperating with the investigation, but it still never should have happened in the first place IMO. We live in a world where every country spies upon every other country; this shit should be taken more seriously.

Yes, but it's inevitable given the absolutely nonsensical policies and processes the US has around classifications. Including it being used extensively for simple ass-covering, as well as its extensive use in classifying public reporting from media. Why classify it? So the government can pretend it doesn't exist officially despite the news report being literally public.

Fresh Air had a really good interview with a historian focused on classification historically and contemporarily that's really interesting and informative for just why this kind of thing accidentally happens often and why consequences can be different.

[DarkTZeratul]

Yes, but it's inevitable given the absolutely nonsensical policies and processes the US has around classifications. Including it being used extensively for simple ass-covering, as well as its extensive use in classifying public reporting from media. Why classify it? So the government can pretend it doesn't exist officially despite the news report being literally public.

Someone in my FF14 guild was saying that he works at a defense contractor, and the classification rules often feel arbitrary and non-sensical. For instance, they are frequently shipping materials to a facility that, on paper, does not exist... Except that they have the address, and they're sending it via UPS or FedEx. Making the shipment is public domain, but the shipment being received is considered top secret. As he put it, "They're paying us a bunch of money to send them stuff, but we're not allowed to ever know if they actually get it."

[Edge-]

Someone in my FF14 guild was saying that he works at a defense contractor, and the classification rules often feel arbitrary and non-sensical. For instance, they are frequently shipping materials to a facility that, on paper, does not exist... Except that they have the address, and they're sending it via UPS or FedEx. Making the shipment is public domain, but the shipment being received is considered top secret. As he put it, "They're paying us a bunch of money to send them stuff, but we're not allowed to ever know if they actually get it."

Checks out from what I've heard from friends who have joined the military and worked in intelligence or otherwise had classified clearance.

[Taifuu]

I think you have.

Ah, I thought it was a reference to a recent event. Yeah, not well thought out. Not well thought out all. I don't even know how this would play out. For cities, the idea was that some of the budget that went to police departments would instead go to social services to handle all the shit that police are expected to but shouldn't. Like domestic abuse and drug addiction cases, for example. I was under the impression that the FBI already has its niche within the intelligence organization, so what they really is the removal of the FBI, not its defunding, right?

[Cthulhu 2020]

Since "Trump declassified them with his mind" has failed, the MAGAt crowd is now claiming (Along with Trump's speech last night) that the mere act of removing classified documents from the White House is an act of declassifying them. So Trump has now admitted he removed classified documents without any procedure to declassify them. He's making this really easy for Jack Smith.

[Breccia]

Since "Trump declassified them with his mind" has failed, the MAGAt crowd is now claiming (Along with Trump's speech last night) that the mere act of removing classified documents from the White House is an act of declassifying them.

Which, of course, is false. Otherwise Presidents would accidentally declassify any intel they took with them on a business trip, say, speaking at NATO.

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Once again, MMO-C's second favorite lawyer.



We know some of this, I admit I didn't know some of it.

1) Bragg didn't charge with election fraud because that statute of limitations had expired. Writing fraudulent checks has a longer shelf life.

2) The falsified documents were Trump paying Cohen a retainer while not being a client.

3) Some of the checks were Trump's own money, but it no longer matters, because Cohen claimed it was income and not reimbursement and filed taxes as such. That's falsifying a business document, and Trump literally signed off on it.

4) Trump tried to back out of paying after he won the election.

Which means, yes, it was a campaign contribution. Trump admitted it was when he, once again, tried to avoid paying someone to which he was contractually obligated.

[Cthulhu 2020]

MAGAts on Twitter: "You can't prosecute for X crime because it's past the statute of limitations!"

So you admit that he did it, but it's just been too long to indict him on it?

Also love the "YOU CAN'T INDICT A SITTING PRESIDENT" followed by "IT'S BEEN TOO LONG TO INDICT HIM ON THIS CRIME"

[postman1782]

worried the NY case wil get thrown out by the court and just vindicate trump and gop, when in terms of criminal liability there is much better cases optically and legally already being investigated such as the georgia interference. While trump is definitely guilty of falsifying records, the case hinges on it being a felony that he did it in advance of the prosecutor interpreting election law.

It won't. He's litereally on tape committing the crime.

[cubby]

MAGAts on Twitter: "You can't prosecute for X crime because it's past the statute of limitations!"

So you admit that he did it, but it's just been too long to indict him on it?

Also love the "YOU CAN'T INDICT A SITTING PRESIDENT" followed by "IT'S BEEN TOO LONG TO INDICT HIM ON THIS CRIME"

This was basically Trump's entire strategy. And generically speaking, he's done this his whole life. Ignored the law and then sue those that fight him into the ground.

[Cthulhu 2020]

So anyway, remember in 2016 when people like Linkedblade and others were claiming various Q conspiracies, like "The Great Awakening" which alluded to the sleeping majority of America waking up and unseating the corrupt establishment, as well as jailing every single Democrat being inevtiable? Anyone ever wonder what happened to that? Do you think those people are disillusioned that the great Q was a big hoax all a long, or are they blissfully following along with the latest conspiracy du jour?

[Edge-]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b2314744.html

In the continued alternate reality Republican live in, tens of thousands of Trump supporters came to NYC to support Trump!

Which contradicts with reports that media outnumbered Trump supporters about 30:1, and I'm skeptical there were hundreds of thousands of media around the courthouse, seems physically impossible.

[Breccia]

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In the continued alternate reality Republican live in, tens of thousands of Trump supporters came to NYC to support Trump!

It is possible Eric was telling the truth about Florida. He's objectively lying about NYC. I personally posted videos of MTG at the gathering.

In Manhattan, Eric also claimed that “every single intersection was closed” and that there “was an army outside of the courthouse” for his father’s arrival

So that's a Trump family member and Hannity, a Trump employee and longtime advocate. Well, you know the rules.

I admit Eric Trump and by proxy Hannity lied about the gathering in NYC, as was easily documented by the many journalists there. My silence means I don't just admit the lie, but I support the liar, I support the lying, and I encourage more of both by my lack of dissent.

-- all Trump supporters who don't say otherwise

[postman1782]

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trum...st-him-1792195

Trump's secret service that was stationed in Mar-a-Lago set to testify against him Friday in the DC Grand Jury in the classified documents case.

[Taifuu]

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trum...st-him-1792195

Trump's secret service that was stationed in Mar-a-Lago set to testify against him Friday in the DC Grand Jury in the classified documents case.

It was previously reported that Walt Nauta, a valet driver at Mar-a-Lago, was allegedly ordered by Trump to move boxes of documents into a storage room at Mar-a-Lago after the former president received the government subpoena to return the classified materials.

In June 2022, Trump's legal team is said to have "explicitly prohibited" federal agents from looking inside a storage room at Mar-a-Lago during their first attempt to recover the long-sought-after materials from Trump's Florida home.

I would love to hear the explanation as to why the FBI wasn't allowed to search the storage room. Their warrant was only for the docs; they couldn't just take memorabilia or accounting records if that was all they found inside.

[Breccia]

I would love to hear the explanation as to why the FBI wasn't allowed to search the storage room.

If the warrant says they were allowed to look there, and Trump's legal team said "please don't" and the FBI didn't, that's on the FBI, sadly.

If the warrant didn't allow them, it's because they didn't have probable cause -- which means they were told precisely where everything else was. Which in turn means, their source didn't know about the storage room, and as such, is likely a SS agent.

[Taifuu]

If the warrant says they were allowed to look there, and Trump's legal team said "please don't" and the FBI didn't, that's on the FBI, sadly.

If the warrant didn't allow them, it's because they didn't have probable cause -- which means they were told precisely where everything else was. Which in turn means, their source didn't know about the storage room, and as such, is likely a SS agent.

I thought the warrant was to search the grounds in general, not just specific areas. I would like to hear the reasoning that was given to the FBI, though, as to why they couldn't. I can't imagine anyone from Trump's team that would be able to give a reason that doesn't reek of suspicion.

[Breccia]

I thought the warrant was to search the grounds in general, not just specific areas..

I'll look shortly, but I could have sworn it was three rooms.

EDIT:

Statutes Identified in the Mar-a-Lago Warrant
The Mar-a-Lago warrant separately describes the premises to be searched (Attachment A) and the
property to be seized (Attachment B). The warrant authorized the search of all rooms in the Mar-a-Lago
resort that were used or available to former President Trump and his staff and in which boxes or
documents could be stored, but it excluded guest suites and private member areas. The warrant authorized
the government to seize all physical documents and records connected with three offenses defined in Title
18 of the U.S. Code.
18 U.S.C. § 793

https://crsreports.congress.gov/prod...f/LSB/LSB10810

[Linkedblade]

Reeeeeee.

34 Misdemeanors

Reeeeeee.