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    Quote Originally Posted by Flarelaine View Post
    Starting down that path arguably is. After that I admit much depends on whether help is available - but also on whether help is sought.
    I think you underestimate how quickly some people spiral down that path. It can literally go "have a drink with dinner" to "well, and a couple at the bar, I'll take a cab home", to "it's three days later and I'm waking up in my own puke in a motel three States over with a girl I've never seen lying in bed with me. I'm only regaining awareness because I'm out of booze and my credit card's cut off and I can't buy more. But I'll do anything I can to get more, even if it's sucking some dude's dick in the parking lot."


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    Ok, DeSantis must be getting afraid because his Super PAC is willing to pay Trump to leave the state and move to California.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...6ccb8009&ei=65

    DeSantis PAC offers to pay to relocate Trump after attack

    A Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis super PAC has vowed it would financially support former President Donald Trump’s move to California after the Republican 2024 front-runner targeted the Sunshine State’s leader in an email campaign.

    “Donald Trump has so deeply disparaged the state of Florida by calling it the ‘worst state,’ we at Never Back Down will help him leave by offering financial assistance to help him move to his beloved California, so he can be close to his good buddy Gavin Newsom, whom he loves so intensely and gets along with so well. The good news is that since so many people are moving to the state of Florida, thanks to the incredible success of Governor Ron DeSantis, no one will notice when Trump leaves,” Never Back Down CEO Chris Jankowski said in a statement.

    In the email issued last Friday, Trump targeted DeSantis’ leadership in the state and cited statistics that portray Florida in a negative light, including ones saying that Florida is one of the least affordable states to live in. Trump has resided in Florida since he left the White House.

    The email also blasts the state of Florida for being “among the worst states” to live, work, raise a family, retire and many other issues. The email referred to statistics from organizations like U.S. News and World Report, Money Inc. and the Florida Policy Institute when talking about the state, The Hill reported.

    It’s one of the latest attacks Trump has targeted DeSantis with. A Trump PAC launched a “pudding fingers” attack ad last week directed at DeSantis, which said that he “loves sticking his fingers where they don’t belong. And we’re not just talking about pudding.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by gondrin View Post
    Ok, DeSantis must be getting afraid because his Super PAC is willing to pay Trump to leave the state and move to California.
    That's not my take on it. I think they're just calling Trump out on his bullshit. "If you think Florida is so bad, we'll help you pack" and then watch as Trump doesn't do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flarelaine View Post
    Being homeless is generally not a choice. Drinking/drugging oneself into a subhuman state is.
    pro tip: when it comes to homelessness, you have the cause and the effect reversed.
    most people aren't functioning gears in the machine of capitalism until they come across boozahol and then foolishly abdicate their responsibility to The Market to produce.
    most people who become homeless do so because The Market needed more ammo for the gun it points at the middle class, and so made them homeless so suburbanites can see bums on the corners and be afraid of what happens if they stop working or ask for too many rights.

    once one has become homeless, the fact there is nothing to do - no TV, no internet, no work or school community, no gaming no reading no strolling - all you do when you're homeless is A. try to find where you're going to sleep next, and B. try to figure out how to get some food.
    most humans go moderately insane very shortly after being bored long enough, and so when you're homeless and your day-to-day life is an intolerable tedium, getting drunk or high at least makes the blur seem interesting and it's literally the only thing you have in your life.

    being homeless causes drug and alcohol abuse far, FAR more often than drug and alcohol abuse causes homelessness.

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    https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-pre...inds-rcna81200

    President Donald Trump is still unpopular and so is the political movement created in his image, according to a new national NBC News poll.

    The Make America Great Again, or ‘MAGA,’ movement, which takes its name from Trump’s first campaign slogan, was the least popular individual or group tested in the new survey. Just 24% of Americans have positive views of the movement, while 45% voice negative views.

    These numbers come as President Joe Biden made Trump — and his movement — the centerpiece of his re-election launch video on Tuesday.

    Biden in his video that “MAGA extremists are lining up to take those bedrock freedoms away.” Biden and his fellow Democrats often use the term “MAGA” as a catch-all to describe pro-Trump Republicans who embrace the former president’s more extreme positions, including his false claims that the 2020 election was stolen.

    A slight majority of Republicans — 52% — view the MAGA movement positively, as well as 53% of those who define themselves as conservative.

    Independents also rated the movement negatively, with just 12% viewing it positively, while 45% say they have negative views of the movement.
    Once again, it seems Republicans have completely folded inward and aren't even attempting to expand the appeal of their party.

    More than a third of rural Americans have positive views of the movement, the highest of any geographic subgroup. And the movement received its highest mark from white Americans, with a 29% positive rating, of any racial subgroup.

    Men over the age of 50 were evenly split, with 36% voicing positive views and 37% voicing negative views. And a combined 58% of those with a high school degree or less and those who attended technical or vocational schools view the movement positively.

    On the flip side, the movement received its highest negative ratings from groups that make up the Democratic base: the higher educated, younger people, people of color, particularly Black people, and those who define themselves as liberals.
    I mean...that's just simply what the data says.

    - - - Updated - - -

    https://www.npr.org/2023/04/25/11716...onvicted-crime

    As President Biden launches his reelection campaign, a rematch between Biden and former President Donald Trump looks increasingly likely. This comes as a new NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist poll out Tuesday that finds two-thirds of Republicans would still vote for Trump even if he is found guilty of a crime.

    "Everything that Trump has ever been accused of, has come out to be false," said one of the almost 1,300 poll respondents, Richard Holton II, 65, of Beaver Creek, Ohio.

    Holton believes the 2020 election was stolen, that Hillary Clinton "cheated" in 2016 and that Democrats start wars and are bad for the economy. He channels Trump, calling the indictment in New York, stemming from hush-money payments to a porn actress, a "hit job by the Democrats."

    "It's all made up," Holton said. "He can't get a fair trial there, and it's all fake."
    And more on this. The numbers match up with those above - he'd still wildly popular with Republicans, even if he's convicted of crimes, and wildly unpopular with Democrats and independents, which nets out for an overall deep unpopularity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- quoting some dumbass View Post
    "It's all made up," Holton said. "He can't get a fair trial there, and it's all fake."
    High-school diploma or less, you say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    High-school diploma or less, you say.
    I don't say that. The study indicates that based on responses.

    I'm just sharing the information that it seems that the largest contingent of Trump supporters have, at best, a highschool education. Many apparently, and likely, having less than that. Hey, Boebert counts in that number, she eventually ended up getting her GED which is good for her! It's a shame she didn't do anything with it other than argue that it's totally fine for her 17 year old son to knock up a 14 year old girl, and also defend him as he skipped out on his court date over his car crash, the date was earlier this month.

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    So Fox is running news stories about how Democrats are FURIOUS there won't be primary debates and I assume it's just because Cenk, a fuckin loser, was crying about it on Twitter. Anyways - https://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...imary-debates/

    Former President Trump on Tuesday raised the prospect of skipping the two Republican White House primary debates that have been announced thus far, suggesting he should not have to subject himself to such scrutiny given his commanding lead in the polls.

    “I see that everybody is talking about the Republican Debates, but nobody got my approval, or the approval of the Trump Campaign, before announcing them,” Trump wrote on Truth Social. “When you’re leading by seemingly insurmountable numbers, and you have hostile Networks with angry, TRUMP & MAGA hating anchors asking the ‘questions,’ why subject yourself to being libeled and abused?”
    rofl, he doesn't even want to debate. which is sad, because it would deliver so much free entertainment as Republican candidates try to both out-Trump Trump and to paint themselves as more moderate and electable simultaneously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    rofl, he doesn't even want to debate.
    Trump lost every debate he appeared in. He lost to Clinton so badly he tore up his notes. He wanted to skip the Biden ones so much, he got sick and nearly died.

    Trump can't debate. Trump is a serial liar who can't defend anything he says. His sources are always "some guy told me" who never manages to materialize.

    And, of course, now he has an even worse record than the one that cost him 2020.

    No shit he doesn't want to debate.

    Of course, there's always "run third party". That'd end the matter, right there.

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    I mean, if he doesn't want to show up, it'd create a great opportunity for a candidate with actual like, decent stances and a plan to show up and show what a bafoon trump is.

    But this is the republican party. So it'll be just a bunch of people saying how bad trans people are, the government should control women's bodies, and that getting married at 10 is fine.

    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Trump lost every debate he appeared in. He lost to Clinton so badly he tore up his notes. He wanted to skip the Biden ones so much, he got sick and nearly died.

    Trump can't debate. Trump is a serial liar who can't defend anything he says. His sources are always "some guy told me" who never manages to materialize.

    And, of course, now he has an even worse record than the one that cost him 2020.

    No shit he doesn't want to debate.

    Of course, there's always "run third party". That'd end the matter, right there.
    He did fine in the republican primary debates from what I recall. Though thats largely due to republican lack of leadership.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Myradin View Post
    He did fine in the republican primary debates from what I recall. Though thats largely due to republican lack of leadership.
    I mean, he spent a minute or two talking about Megyn Kelly bleeding out of her you know where and defending the size of his penis on national television. So yeah, pretty fine!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Trump lost every debate he appeared in. He lost to Clinton so badly he tore up his notes. He wanted to skip the Biden ones so much, he got sick and nearly died.

    Trump can't debate. Trump is a serial liar who can't defend anything he says. His sources are always "some guy told me" who never manages to materialize.

    And, of course, now he has an even worse record than the one that cost him 2020.

    No shit he doesn't want to debate.

    Of course, there's always "run third party". That'd end the matter, right there.
    i mean he objectively 'beat' clinton.

    if he understands power (which he does) he will only ever do things on his terms if they are for his benefit. No need to do debates if you are already king yo.

    he doesnt need a third party, the republican party is his.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    i mean he objectively 'beat' clinton.
    Not in the debates. Not once. For each of the three debates, every scientific poll done said Clinton won.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Not in the debates. Not once. For each of the three debates, every scientific poll done said Clinton won.
    yea and in the poll that actually mattered she didnt. /shrug

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    yea and in the poll that actually mattered she didnt. /shrug
    Yeah,

    True she won the debates,
    True she won the voters,

    But she didn’t win the electoral college which is actually rigged against the democrats due to the GOP manipulating it for their benefit for over a century.

    The democrat doesn’t just need to win, they need to win with margins large enough to overcome cheating built into the system against them.
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    In any event, it's not up to Trump.

    He's threatened to miss debates before, but he never missed one unless he was so sick he nearly died. He can't really do that this time. Under the assumption DeSadness runs, he'll have the opportunity to not just dismiss Trump without fear of Trump shouting "WRONG!" or sneaking up behind him, but also, the opportunity to gain over the other runners. Trump won't get any good results from missing a debate that actually proceeds without him.

    I also note that he is claiming that the debates required his consent to exist.

    And of course, "hostile Networks" = everyone at this point. Trump can point to any network that could be expected to have a debate host, and claim they're against him and they hate him, because they correctly pointed out all that stuff he did. The accusations of libel come out of projection, of course.

    As a reminder, the RNC has already taken some baby steps back from Trump. In particular:

    RNC Chair: All candidates will pledge to support GOP nominee ahead of debate
    -- February

    Trump did not do this in 2016 and had no reason to in 2020. He does now. Even if he agrees, I don't think anyone trusts him.

    Incidentally all of this is about the Republican debates only. Last year the RNC decided they were going to stop going to the CPD debates, mostly because they kept losing them, seasoned with baseless accusations of bias. I believe I said before that, if Trump skips a debate, the debate should continue with softball questions from the moderators to the candidate who showed up.

    Obviously, the RNC could cave on either stance. I'm not sure they will. I think having Trump say, in public, that he will support whoever wins, even if it's not him, is something they're ready to stand firm on -- and if Trump refuses to do that, they'll know he's going to run against them anyhow, so they're not losing anything by throwing him out.

    But everyone knows Trump can't debate. We saw him lose five times and almost die the sixth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    But she didn’t win the electoral college which is actually rigged against the democrats due to the GOP manipulating it for their benefit for over a century.
    Gerrymandering doesn't actually affect the electoral college at all. It's based on the absolute number of seats in each state, not which parties hold them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkTZeratul View Post
    Gerrymandering doesn't actually affect the electoral college at all. It's based on the absolute number of seats in each state, not which parties hold them.
    Wasn’t talking about gerrymandering. Was talking about the winner take all combined with how the GOP was selectively admitting and denying states to make sure they control the senate and the presidency and even went as far as breaking the Dakota territory into 2 states to give them the numbers they needed. And admitted Wyoming when they had fewer people than many single districts.

    Edit: plus the impacts of voter disenfranchisement at all levels.
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