Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Doctor Amadeus]

Fucked up but it's maybe one of the actual honest things he's maybe ever said that has some truth. These people maybe not all famous but powerful had always been able to do that. fortunately we started letting women have equal rights, we're still a long way but now we have women in positions of power. We saw it with the whole MeToo movement. Accountability for being a sexual predator by the rich and powerful has finally arrived. Still some ways to go, but we're making progress.

No not really. Because it seems to have been widdled down to depending on looks, money, political party and if people liked you.

Bill Cosby and Johnny Depp come to mind.

[beanman12345]

No not really. Because it seems to have been widdled down to depending on looks, money, political party and if people liked you.

Bill Cosby and Johnny Depp come to mind.

yes really bill cosby rapist apologist.

[Doctor Amadeus]

yes really bill cosby rapist apologist.

Let’s see there’s.

Roman Polanski
Woody Allen
Mel Gibson
Allegedly more recently Jack Nicholson, Dan Schneider producer from iCarly and Zoey 101

Marilyn Manson to which Rose McGowen apparently knows nothing about.

Asia Argento allegedly with an underage guy.

Not sure I’d call that much progress.

[beanman12345]

Let’s see there’s.

Roman Polanski
Woody Allen
Mel Gibson
Allegedly more recently Jack Nicholson, Dan Schneider producer from iCarly and Zoey 101

Marilyn Manson to which Rose McGowen apparently knows nothing about.

Asia Argento allegedly with an underage guy.

Not sure I’d call that much progress.

Larry Nassar, Jeffrey Epstein, Weinstein. E Carroll left that court house with a HUGE smile on her face. Do you even understand what the word progress means?

[Edge-]

Talking points aren't ready yet, it seems. McCarthy basically says he doesn't know the news because he was in a meeting lol

I swear, every time something happens Republicans suddenly don't have access to TV or the internet or news or social media and what are you talking about?

[Doctor Amadeus]

Larry Nassar, Jeffrey Epstein, Weinstein. E Carroll left that court house with a HUGE smile on her face. Do you even understand what the word progress means?

Sure if all things were equal and the law got applied seriously and every victim was believed without condemning the accused without a trial

My point is that’s not happening. Too much bias all around. As far as Nassar or Weinstein or Epstein. I don’t know seems more swept under the rug.

Not saying you’re wrong by your point. Just curious what metric and measurement we’re using.

Progress I don’t know.

[beanman12345]

Sure if all things were equal and the law got applied seriously and every victim was believed without condemning the accused without a trial

My point is that’s not happening. Too much bias all around. As far as Nassar or Weinstein or Epstein. I don’t know seems more swept under the rug.

Not saying you’re wrong by your point. Just curious what metric and measurement we’re using.

Progress I don’t know.

The metric I'm using is people are being prosecuted and found guilty, when a few decades ago there would be nothing.nothing in the news. Nothing in the courts. The powerful kept their victims quiet because the powerful were to ya know powerful and went amongst their raping and assaulting unabated.

Edit - the only point your making is the MeToo movement was a complete waste of time that accomplished nothing. You do you.

[Doctor Amadeus]

The metric I'm using is people are being prosecuted and found guilty, when a few decades ago there would be nothing.nothing in the news. Nothing in the courts. The powerful kept their victims quiet because the powerful were to ya know powerful and went amongst their raping and assaulting unabated.

Edit - the only point your making is the MeToo movement was a complete waste of time that accomplished nothing. You do you.

Waste of time? No

But you may have some good points. I just hope it’s not political theater.

[beanman12345]

Waste of time? No

But you may have some good points. I just hope it’s not political theater.

Well if that's not your position that my apologies, but it was came across that way.

[Karreck]

Murdoch doesnt like losers. As Trump becomes encumbered with more public loses. Will the Right Wing Noise Machine begin to turn on him?

Fox has been trying to since Jan 6th. But every time they lean away from Trump, the rabid MAGA hats go into a tizzy, and Fox backtracks.
Newsmax, OAN, and all those alt right websites are ride or die however.

[Shadowferal]

[Breccia]

So, naturally, FOX News is already discussing Trump's appeal in their usual "fair and balanced" way.

Trump and his lead attorney, Joseph Tacopina, signaled on Tuesday they are likely to appeal the civil liability ruling in the case brought by E. Jean Carroll, which Fox News contributor Andrew McCarthy doubted would succeed.

Trump was found liable for sexual abuse and defamation but not of Carroll's rape claim, which she alleged occurred at the Bergdorf Goodman department store across from Trump Tower in 1996.

Former assistant U.S. attorney Andrew McCarthy told Fox News many or most U.S. jurisdictions expanded the admissibility of "propensity evidence" in cases such as Trump's, which he said can hurt the former president's chances of a successful appeal.

He's talking about the "grab them by the pussy" tape. In other words, back in the timeframe in which Trump raped Carroll, the evidence that Trump is the kind of person to rape someone wouldn't have been admitted. As opposed to more recent times, when the person who brags about sexually assaulting women can have the fact that they brag about sexually assaulting women used against them.

Yeah, FOX News looked around for an expert who is complaining that someone's words and actions can be used in context to point out they're a horrible person. Why would a network that was run by Roger Ailes be so ohhhhhhhhhhh right.

Trump's friendship with Fox News founder Roger Ailes may have been his downfall in E. Jean Carroll trial, says Business Insider.

One of the reasons Carroll didn't speak up about the alleged incident in the 1990s, she testified, is because Ailes, her boss at the time, was friends with Trump.

In the early 1990s, Ailes founded and led America's Talking, a cable TV channel that later became MSNBC. Carroll had her own show on America's Talking at the time, called "Ask E. Jean," based on her popular Elle magazine column.

Ailes often filmed his own show, "Straightforward," in the same Fort Lee, New Jersey studio where Carroll filmed hers. The two "ran into each other almost every day," Carroll said on the witness stand. If she spoke up about Trump, Carroll testified, she believed Ailes would fire her.

"I would never report something like this, just for the obvious reasons. Roger Ailes would have fired me. He was friends with Donald Trump," Carroll testified in the trial. "I would have lost my job at Elle. I was frightened of Donald Trump. I thought he would retaliate. I was ashamed. I thought it was my fault."

Back to FOX News.

McCarthy said an appeals court will view the jury's verdict against Trump as "discriminating and careful" – "which is to say, they went through the evidence [and] decided not to find him liable for rape, but did find him liable for sexual abuse."

He said Carroll's claims were so far in the past that it would have been difficult to "forensically corroborate" whether Trump's alleged conduct met the stand for such a heinous crime as rape.

He continued, "So normally we have a rule in the law that says we don't want to have somebody get convicted or found liable for the thing they're charged with on the basis of other similar things that they've done in the past. That presumption holds most of the time across the board, but it doesn't apply anymore in sexual assault cases."

*ahem*

That's bullshit.

Trump could have given a DNA test and he didn't. Somehow, he got away with that. It would have been very easy, but Trump got away with murder. Well, rape.

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By the way, at time of writing, the CNN town hall is still on.

[Flarelaine]

The average American voter is deeply ignorant of how national and global economies work. They still believe the Republican, "It's like balancing your budget at the kitchen table." shit.

I like Dave (the movie) to bits, but it sure helped reinforce that cliché.

[Shadowferal]

Trump world booked CNN hoping for a big audience. Now, they're in the thick of it.

Trump says CNN town hall appearance could turn into 'disaster for all, including me,'

"They made me a deal I couldn't refuse!!!"

"Jury finds Trump guilty of sexual assault. Great timing for the CNN Town Hall!" Norman Ornstein, a political scholar, said in a tweet on Tuesday following news of Trump being found liable.

[CastletonSnob]

Trump was found liable for sexual assault

Santos will be charged in a federal investigation.

"BoTh PaRtieS ArE ThE SaMe!".

[Deianeira]

There's also a joke to be made about the fact that she couldn't tell if his penis was inside her... but it really isn't a laughing matter.

But yeah, her lawyers were rightfully beating Trump over the head with the Access Hollywood tape. It's basically a confession that he thinks it's totally fine to sexually assault women...as long as you're famous.

Yeah for millions of years this has apparently been the case according to Trump!

[Myradin]

Trump was found liable for sexual assault

Santos will be charged in a federal investigation.

"BoTh PaRtieS ArE ThE SaMe!".

They'll just claim the courts are biased.

[Kaleredar]

They'll just claim the courts are biased.

The courts do tend to be biased against criminals, yes.

[diller]

Absolutely not since Clinton involved a penis and Trumps penis was never proven!

/s

Seems like she couldn't tell if it was a finger or his dick, lol

[Shadowferal]

As one article put it "courage is contagious."