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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    The Grand Jury subpoena is very bad. While he might invoke privilege for that testimony, at least they will have the questions asked on record in that investigation as well.
    Doesn't sound like that privilege will work with the grand jury: (Nick Ackerman served as an assistant special Watergate prosecutor)
    Ackerman said that unlike the House panel, federal investigators won't let the former Trump lawyer cite executive privilege over conversations he had with Trump in his final days in office.

    "They (the jan 6th committee) allowed him to claim attorney-client privilege. None of this is going to go anywhere with the feds," Ackerman said. "He is going to claim privileges with individual questions. They will take him to a court judge, who is going to order him to testify and tell him there is no privilege."

    The former Watergate prosecutor said Cipollone could try to appeal those rulings, but he added that the investigation would move much swifter than the House committee's hearings have this summer.

    "Pat Cipollone is going to be talking more before the grand jury," he said.
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    Apparently a group of women here in Texas have co-oped MAGA for to start a group called Mothers Against Gregg Abbott.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gumble View Post
    When he was first running I was cautiously hopeful that he could be the kind of chaos that could actually make real change in the government that a career politican never would. Trump had an opportunity for the first while he was in office where if he had really pushed for it, he could have done big things like term limits and campaign finance reform. He had the fear from both sides of what he might do that he COULD have done great things.
    Why in the world would you think Trump of all people would do any of that given the decades of swindling, conning, flimflamming, stealing, and more that he's done? He was a well known terrible person his whole life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dontrike View Post
    Why in the world would you think Trump of all people would do any of that given the decades of swindling, conning, flimflamming, stealing, and more that he's done? He was a well known terrible person his whole life.
    To be fair, while over here (I don't live in the US) very few people thought something benevolent would come out of Trump's presidency, the overall feeling at the start was "How bad can it be really?"

    And then he showed us just how bad it was :s

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    Because why wouldn't he, right?

    Especially when...
    Still not sure why he's pushing that "The Wall" was completed. He knows these things can be checked, no? Surely some of these people know it isn't true.

    I'll assume the MTG thing was posted already. Holy shit that was cringe. Who knew people that committed crimes sometimes spent time in jail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Just with the outright whistle, because Republicans have given up dog whistling. Want more?
    So they finally admit that not everyone wants to come to the US and Scandinavians rather stay where they are?
    One could now ask the question "Why do they not want to come?" and maybe come up with the answer "Well, seems life is better in Norway" and then ask the question "But why is it better?" and then come to many conclusions.
    If only Republicans were intelligent life forms... *sigh*

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    Because why wouldn't he, right?

    Especially when...


    Still not sure why he's pushing that "The Wall" was completed. He knows these things can be checked, no? Surely some of these people know it isn't true.

    I'll assume the MTG thing was posted already. Holy shit that was cringe. Who knew people that committed crimes sometimes spent time in jail.
    The fact he goes hard after drug dealers when he himself is a known massive coke fiend and was for years along with his son. Hypocrisy is a feature, not a bug.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazza View Post
    To be fair, while over here (I don't live in the US) very few people thought something benevolent would come out of Trump's presidency, the overall feeling at the start was "How bad can it be really?"

    And then he showed us just how bad it was :s
    When he first announced his candidacy, I thought he was the joke candidate as there is usually one every election during the primaries. I stated back then and state it now, anyone who votes for Trump deserves all the derision and ridicule that can be mustered as he is literally one of the worst humans living today. A fascist, authoritarian scumbag. I would rather vote for dirt on the street then him.

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    In a shining example of "how not to do statistics:, FOX News surveys people at a Trump rally about who they want to run in 2024.

    Big surprise: FOX News polls at Trump rallies get people who want Trump to run. What are the odds?

    Another Trump fan said: "We had everything great under Trump. Now everything is a disaster. It should be obvious to everybody that the country needs Trump back."
    Looks like FOX News is in trouble. Anyone in their right mind reading this would assume they were being sarcastic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gondrin View Post
    When he first announced his candidacy, I thought he was the joke candidate as there is usually one every election during the primaries. I stated back then and state it now, anyone who votes for Trump deserves all the derision and ridicule that can be mustered as he is literally one of the worst humans living today. A fascist, authoritarian scumbag. I would rather vote for dirt on the street then him.
    Yeah, I still don't really understand how the fuck he became the president. Everyone thought he was a joke. This whole notion of how the chaos he creates might actually bring some good out of it as also baffling to me. Especially when the one creating it is a moron and an opportunist, only ever looking for himself. He's a businessman, and that's what businessmen do. If anyone thought that a wealthy businessman would make a good president, because he'd use his skills to make the country rich, is as stupid as Trump is. No sweetheart, they don't do it to make others rich. Just themselves.
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    Money laundering, especially prior to his election? I couldn't give a flying fuck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Santti View Post
    Yeah, I still don't really understand how the fuck he became the president. Everyone thought he was a joke. This whole notion of how the chaos he creates might actually bring some good out of it as also baffling to me. Especially when the one creating it is a moron and an opportunist, only ever looking for himself. He's a businessman, and that's what businessmen do. If anyone thought that a wealthy businessman would make a good president, because he'd use his skills to make the country rich, is as stupid as Trump is. No sweetheart, they don't do it to make others rich. Just themselves.
    Because at least half of the Republicans are deplorables and the whole birther movement was right up their racist alley.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Santti View Post
    Yeah, I still don't really understand how the fuck he became the president. Everyone thought he was a joke. This whole notion of how the chaos he creates might actually bring some good out of it as also baffling to me. Especially when the one creating it is a moron and an opportunist, only ever looking for himself. He's a businessman, and that's what businessmen do. If anyone thought that a wealthy businessman would make a good president, because he'd use his skills to make the country rich, is as stupid as Trump is. No sweetheart, they don't do it to make others rich. Just themselves.
    Trump voters got exactly what they wanted, in Trump. His election was not in any way an accident or a mistake. It's what those Americans wanted. The fascism, the bigotry, the hatemongering, the scapegoating, the intentional harms towards ideological enemies. That was what Trump voters wanted, and it's what they got. You're struggling to see the reasonable justifications for supporting Trump, but it wasn't reasonable. It's like wondering why anyone listens to David Duke or any of the hate-preachers out there; the petty abuses and encouragement of violence is what the audience is seeking out.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Santti View Post
    Yeah, I still don't really understand how the fuck he became the president. Everyone thought he was a joke. This whole notion of how the chaos he creates might actually bring some good out of it as also baffling to me. Especially when the one creating it is a moron and an opportunist, only ever looking for himself. He's a businessman, and that's what businessmen do. If anyone thought that a wealthy businessman would make a good president, because he'd use his skills to make the country rich, is as stupid as Trump is. No sweetheart, they don't do it to make others rich. Just themselves.
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    Trump stated in CPAC the Democrats are bringing fascsim.

    I love the performance artistry and projection of the Republican party. They definitely are NOT the fascist people.

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    Trump on his rant talks about how Manchin and Sinema "betrayed" them. Hmmmm? Wonder why they single those two out. I sure hope Arizona get rid of Sinema and we can pick up another seat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paranoid Android View Post
    Trump stated in CPAC the Democrats are bringing fascsim.
    I'd almost want to hear what Team Trump thinks "fascism" is. Even if they said something about their right to free speech, that's the free market, not the government.

    Look, we all know they're lying. Even the people there, know Trump is lying about the Democrats being fascist. They just don't want to admit it because they actually want fascism. They want to be the heavily-armed white men patrolling their border from Mexican rapists. They want to be the ones shutting down others' rights to, say, be biracial. No, really, remember who CPAC invited. They want to be the ones outlawing all religions except theirs. And I don't need to back that up, because everyone reading this thread for years already has all the evidence they need.

    There is a mock jail cell on the CPAC floor. That's all I need to say.

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    Nothing states "America FIRST!!!" or "Make America Great Again!!" then by buying made in China products and putting a Made in USA label on it. I thought, according to them, that China was the one stealing from the USA and selling it as their own.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...c52a5743379843

    MAGA ‘Lions Not Sheep’ bro busted for putting bogus ‘Made in USA’ tags on Chinese-made apparel

    The far-right "Lions Not Sheep" apparel company was ordered to pay a hefty fine after being caught replacing "Made in China" tags on its appear with "Made in USA."

    Lions Not Sheep Products, LLC, and its owner Sean Whalen, were ordered to pay a $211,335 fine by the Federal Trade Commission. Additionally, the company was ordered to 'stop making bogus Made in USA claims' and "come clean about foreign production."

    The Deseret News described the "Lions Not Sheep" as a "Utah-based apparel company known for its inflammatory T-shirts that often espouse pro-Second Amendment and pro-Trump messages."

    "A reference to the saying “a lion doesn’t lose sleep over the opinion of sheep,” the company made waves during the pandemic in response to mask mandates and COVID-19 restrictions, with shirts that read “give violence a chance,” depict Donald Trump as the Terminator and frequently feature military-style rifles," the newspaper reported. "The company also has a celebrity roster that includes mixed martial arts fighter Donald “Cowboy” Cerrone, Robert J. O’Neill, who claims to be the sole Navy SEAL who killed Osama bin Laden, and motorcycle racer Davi Millsaps."

    The FTC voted 5-0 to approve the final order.

    The FTC complaint says Whalen posted a video online saying he could “conceal the fact that his shirts are made in China by ripping out the origin tags and replacing them with tags stating that the merchandise was made in the United States.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by gondrin View Post
    Nothing states "America FIRST!!!" or "Make America Great Again!!" then by buying made in China products and putting a Made in USA label on it. I thought, according to them, that China was the one stealing from the USA and selling it as their own.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...c52a5743379843
    Hey, Daddy Trump has all his stuff made in China, so you think conservatives are gonna care?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gondrin View Post
    Nothing states "America FIRST!!!" or "Make America Great Again!!" then by buying made in China products and putting a Made in USA label on it. I thought, according to them, that China was the one stealing from the USA and selling it as their own.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...c52a5743379843
    Isn't this like, at least the fourth time a fairly explicitly pro-Trump organization got caught misrepresenting the actual origins of their products? I don't think others have gone as far as replacing tags, much less bragging about that on social media, but this seems like a feature of Trumpism.

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    Something that will make you throw up in your mouth, Trump claims Dr. Ronny Jackson "Loved looking at his body."

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...a5de2c77ef54e2

    Trump Says White House Doctor Ronny Jackson 'Loved Looking at My Body'

    Former President Donald Trump headlined the annual Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) on Saturday night in Dallas. As he does with most of his weekend rallies, he spoke in-depth about a wide array of topics, including himself.

    After introducing former White House doctor Ronny Jackson to the crowd, Trump talked about the physical exams he received while in office.

    "He loved looking at my body. It was so strong," Trump said. "But he said I'm the healthiest president that's ever lived. I was the healthiest. I said, I like this guy."

    Aside from being a physician, Jackson is a former rear admiral in the U.S. Navy, and he now represents the 13th Congressional District in Texas, which is in West Texas around Levelland.

    Jackson is clearly a Trump ally, and the Texas representative took a swipe at President Joe Biden's administration via Twitter. Jackson even took a jab at "mask mandates."

    "This administration is hellbent on DESTROYING our military. CRT, vaccine mandates - they're doing everything EXCEPT keeping us safe. If we're going to save the military, we need a RED WAVE in November!"

    Trump hit all of his usual talking points while rallying the conservative base. These included the economy, America becoming energy independent again, "fake news," strengthening the southern border, taking guns "away from criminals," the war in Ukraine, a looming conflict between China and Taiwan, men playing women's sports, and, as always, taking shots at Biden and Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

    "Crazy Nancy Pelosi. What was she doing in Taiwan?" Trump said. "That woman brings chaos."

    Though the former president hasn't said he will run again in 2024, he's floated the idea out there several times this year, including Saturday night.

    "I ran twice, I won twice. I did much better the second time," Trump said. "And now, we may have to do it again! We are going to make America great again. But we have to make America safe again first."

    Trump said America should "leave the police alone" to do their job.

    "Instead of taking the guns from law abiding Americans let's take them away from criminals," Trump said.

    Newsweek reached out to the White House for comment.

    Trump brought female swimmer Riley Gaines on stage to talk about keeping men out of women's sports. Trump called Gaines, who's one of the most-decorated women's swimmers in the history at the University of Kentucky, "brave."

    Then Gaines spoke to the crowd for a brief moment.

    "Basically, all I want to say is that it takes a brain and common sense and fifth grade biology level understanding to realize this is blatantly unfair. It's completely obvious," Gaines told the crowd. "And so I spoke earlier today and I said a lot so I'll keep it short, and I'm just gonna say keep female sports female."

    Hosted by the American Conservative Union, the annual CPAC is one of the largest gathering of conservatives in the world. This year, it was a way for conservatives to springboard momentum heading into the 2022 midterm elections.
    I didn't realize that having the body of the Pillsbury Dough Boy is considered healthy and strong. I mean, there are professional strongmen that are fat but even they know it isn't healthy.

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    So Trump tried to boost his own ego, had a transphobe speak on his behalf, and attacked Nancy Pelosi. Sounds like the MAGA Trifecta. Inflate self-worth, insult minorities, and attack Democrats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gondrin View Post
    Something that will make you throw up in your mouth, Trump claims Dr. Ronny Jackson "Loved looking at his body."

    I didn't realize that having the body of the Pillsbury Dough Boy is considered healthy and strong. I mean, there are professional strongmen that are fat but even they know it isn't healthy.
    The narcissistic toddler needs to hear praises, no matter how ridiculous they are. He NEEDS it, and the people around him know it.

    Btw this same quack once said orange fatfuck is so healthy he could live up to 200 years old.

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