Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Breccia]

You need to actually have a readership/circulation numbers to be able to ask for much in the way of advertising fees.

No.

You have to convince people you have a readership. Just like you don't need a property value to get a loan, you need to tell people you have a property value to get a loan.

You're thinking logically and reasonably. That doesn't apply to Trump supporters.

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Weaselberg should have cooperated.

The NYTimes reports he lied in a deposition and could be charged with perjury.

MSNBC explains how.

Let’s start with the fact that Weisselberg was interviewed by the attorney general’s office three times in 2020: on July 16, July 17, and September 24. The transcripts of those depositions are at least partially public through filings in the attorney general’s civil fraud lawsuit against the Trump Organization, Trump himself, three of his children, and Weisselberg, among others.

And even a cursory read of those transcripts, coupled with other filings by the attorney general, suggests at least one potential avenue for a perjury charge: Weisselberg’s involvement in the overvaluation of Trump’s triplex apartment in Trump Tower and at what point he knew that valuation was false.

Specifically, on July 17, 2020, Weisselberg was asked by the attorney general’s office about the valuation of Trump’s apartment, as included in Trump’s 2015 statement of financial condition. Weisselberg agreed that the valuation was premised on the apartment having square footage nearly three times the size of the actual apartment. And as the Times indicated on Friday, he further agreed the apartment was overvalued because of that mistake by “give or take” $200 million.

Weisselberg was then asked if he had ever “advised any financial institutions that the 2015 statement of financial condition contains this error.” His response? “Well, we didn’t find out about the error until the Forbes article came out, and we just issued statements year over year, we don’t make phone calls during the course of the year or send out letters during the course of the year for a situation like this. It gets adjusted the following year.”

That all seems reasonable — until you see how the attorney general portrays the facts in a brief filed last fall. That brief clearly states, “Weisselberg admitted that the Statements overvalued Mr. Trump’s apartment by ‘give or take’ $200 million — and evidence later revealed he was provided with the true facts regarding the apartment’s square footage before certifying as accurate the inflated apartment value based on false information.” A related filing that same day — an affirmation prepared by a lawyer in the attorney general’s office — details more precisely what Weisselberg knew about the Trump Tower apartment and when:

Tripling the size of the apartment for valuation purposes was intentional and deliberate fraud, not an honest mistake; documents demonstrating the true size of Mr. Trump’s triplex (most notably the condominium offering plan and associated amendments for Trump Tower) were easily accessible inside the Trump Organization, were signed by Mr. Trump, and were sent to Mr. Weisselberg in 2012.

By contrast, “the Forbes article” Weisselberg referenced in his deposition, according to the attorney general’s filings, was not provided to Weisselberg until March 2017, when he, as well as Donald Trump, Jr. and Eric Trump, were alerted that while Trump told Forbes his apartment was roughly 33,000 square feet, the magazine found property records and “concluded it was less than one third that size.”

Put another way, at least according to the attorney general’s version of events, Weisselberg didn’t learn the valuation was false after the fact, as he testified. Instead, he received documents reflecting the “true size of the triplex” years before he certified the 2015 financial statement.

Therefore, the Manhattan DA’s office has a colorable argument that Weisselberg lied under oath during his July 17, 2020, deposition. The DA’s office declined to comment for this post.

Incidentally, both articles mention Weaselberg is also facing insurance fraud charges. I don't know what in Trump/Weaselberg's history made him so loyal to not just commit crimes for Trump, not just to go to jail for Trump, and not just to refuse to testify against Trump, but to lie on the stand for Trump. Maybe he'll change his mind when he's staring down the barrel of dying broke in prison.

[postman1782]

Surprised no one posted this yet, but Fani Willis has indicated her charges from the Georgia grand jury case is coming in early August. She even told people to get security and everything for it, because she expects to start bringing charges against the people directly connected to the fake electors and election fraud case in Fulton County.

The list includes people like Trump, Lindsay Graham, Mike Flynn, Rudy Guiliani, the remaining of the 16 fake electors that didn't take deals to flip on Trump and others.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/don...gust-rcna85256
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/19/u...ni-willis.html
https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/19/polit...ion/index.html

[Breccia]

The list includes people like Trump, Lindsay Graham, Mike Flynn, Rudy Guiliani,

I mentioned this only briefly, as I did not catch the significance. Nice catch.

The standout is Graham. Trump and his cabinet-slash-campaign were clearly working together as a cohesive unit. Graham, a Senator, was not. While it's basically objective that he was trying to convince Georgia to, as a little favor for him, overthrow democracy, it's far less clear that he was conspiring with the others to do so. Meaning, because he probably has little evidence on the others, pressing charges with the specific hope he flips probably won't work.

If the case is strong enough -- these calls were recorded after all -- then pressing charges because overthrowing democracy is illegal is the way to go. But I'm guessing that, not only is Graham unwilling to flip on Trump, he doesn't have the ability to actually do that if he wanted to.

Of course, I could be wrong. Maybe when raiding the emails/phones of all those co-conspiring traitors, there was correspondence with Graham that demonstrates he was a bigger willing part. Right now, that's what Graham should be worried about. Because I think it's fairly likely that every single letter Giuliani wrote in his life is being shared by law enforcement across multiple levels. If, hypothetically, Graham wrote back "sure, I'll help lean on Georgia" then he's in serious trouble.

[gondrin]

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donal...b06749be12d6c7

Keeping up with the times, Donnie Jr. is announcing a...men's lifestyle magazine? Like, in physical print? In the year of our lord 2023?

Someone should probably tell him print has been dying a fairly rapid death for the past decade+.

I am hoping the magazine is named "Douchebag. For the modern MAGA man who cannot handle criticism."

[Gorsameth]

No.

You have to convince people you have a readership. Just like you don't need a property value to get a loan, you need to tell people you have a property value to get a loan.

You're thinking logically and reasonably. That doesn't apply to Trump supporters.

We've had stories here already about how Social Truth can't find any advertisers and the only ones willing to pay up are actual scam companies.

No I don't think Juniors Men's life style magazine is going to get much advertisers, unless its people trying to launder money from him.

[Poopymonster]

I am hoping the magazine is named "Douchebag. For the modern MAGA man who cannot handle criticism."

...so a Wish version of Maxim (Circa early 2000s).

[Cthulhu 2020]

You need to actually have a readership/circulation numbers to be able to ask for much in the way of advertising fees.

Step 1. Announce magazine (or other thing that's cheap to product and distribute like NFT trading cards)

Step 2. Conjure up some fake outrage (likely with paid actors on twitter, or horrible messages for real outrage) to harass your right wing garbage

Step 3. Cry that you're being canceled and watch every right wing chud flock to your product and buy 20 copies because it "triggers the left"

[Breccia]

It has not been a good day for Donald Trump.

1) Remember when

Once again, it's not a good day to be Donald Trump.

1) He filed a motion to have the Fulton grand jury report just thrown out. One, we've all read it. Two, the legal grounds were "it makes me look bad".

No, really.

The judge tossed the motion.

To date, the Court has received well over five hundred pages of briefing, argument, and exhibits on the issues raised by Trump and Ms. Latham. There will be no more briefing unless it is solicited, in writing, by the Court

-- the Court

Considering Trump hasn't even been charged yet, the fact that the judge is already sick of his bullshit is really damning. Trump's bullshit is his only option, he has no case.

2) Karen McDougal shares intimate details of her 'ten-month affair' with Donald Trump in an exclusive interview. Yes, Trump was married at the time.

I ask how she feels about the former president denying that their ten-month affair happened: Trump has rubbished affairs with both Karen and Stormy Daniels, and claims the criminal charges are part of a 'political witch hunt' to try to stop him from running for office again.

'His people have denied it, but he's never denied it,' she corrects me. 'A reporter asked him: 'Did you have an affair with Karen McDougal?' and all he said was: 'I've done nothing wrong.' He knows I'm telling the truth.'

She has a point. For while Trump has mocked Stormy Daniels, calling her 'horse face' and 'a total con job' and has bad-mouthed E. Jean Carroll, the advice columnist who was awarded $5million in damages last week after a jury found him liable for sexually abusing and defaming her, as a 'whack job', he has never said anything derogatory about Karen.

3) DeSantis moves on SHS like a bitch. Specifically, he wants her as a running mate. Yes, SHS worked for Trump. Yes, we've covered the issue between Trump and DeSantis hiring the other's employees. DeSantis is likely doing this just to grab Trump supporters and drive Trump crazy -- anyone who is not Trump is not Trump, and working for someone else is treason.

4) Speaking of which, Ken Cuccinelli is also backing DeSantis.

5) Speakig of which, Bruce Castor, the former Montgomery County district attorney and county commissioner who represented Trump during his second impeachment trial, filed an eight-page motion in Philadelphia Common Pleas Court on Tuesday, asking to no longer represent former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani in a civil suit.

Castor summed up his gripe about Giuliani to Clout more succinctly: “He’s not cooperating, and he’s not paying me.”

James Savage, a Delaware County voting-machine supervisor, sued Trump, his 2020 presidential campaign, Giuliani, and two local Republican poll watchers in November 2021, saying their unsubstantiated claims about the 2020 election made him a target of hatred, ridicule, and physical threats.

Castor initially agreed to serve as Giuliani’s local lawyer but a lawyer from Texas was supposed to take over from there. That didn’t happen, and Castor, according to his motion, reluctantly tried to defend Giuliani.

Aww, the guy who worked for the man who never pays anyone was never paid. How sad for him. Someone play Arms of the Angels.

6) Mike Pence just now discovered Dunkin Donuts.

No, really. Scroll down that tweet, there are some good replies. One of my favorites is "Yeah, nothin says Man of the People more than trying Dunkin for the first time at 63."

[Edge-]

6) Mike Pence just now discovered Dunkin Donuts.

No, really. Scroll down that tweet, there are some good replies. One of my favorites is "Yeah, nothin says Man of the People more than trying Dunkin for the first time at 63."

Are he and Mother still couch surfing? Because they're hiring there! He could get a job!

[beanman12345]

His first foray into Dunkin, I wonder if this will be his first foray into sugar. It would explain so much.

[Flarelaine]

You need to actually have a readership/circulation numbers to be able to ask for much in the way of advertising fees.

Not if it's a money laundering scheme.

[Breccia]

Looks like we have news about a voter lawsuit in Arizona.

"Surely that must be the Kari Lake bombshell she's been promising for weeks!"

No...it appears to be about a conflict between the League of Women Voters (of Arizona) and--

"Who'd sue them?"

Hmm? Oh, nobody. They sued the activist group Clean Elections USA, who were forming human walls around ballot boxes, screaming election fraud lies and brandishing firearms.

"Oh...um...that sounds really illegal."

A different judge agrees.

A federal judge issued a temporary restraining order against Jennings' group in November after the Justice Department weighed in on the case — arguing in a filing that "vigilante ballot security efforts" may have violated the Voting Rights Act.

The order prevented the group from going within 75 feet of a ballot drop box, photographing voters, openly carrying firearms or making false statements" about election laws.

So when I say "it is not a crime to lie to the American people" there are now exceptions.

"Well, at least they can still use that name Clean Elections. It might help people forget they're a bunch of election fraud screaming, gun-brand...why are you shaking your head?"

The non-partisan state election agency Citizens Clean Elections Commission won an injunction against founder Jennings and her group preventing them from using the name Clean Elections USA.

"Okay. Wow. So, which was the one you wrote this post about?"

Oh, neither. The League of Women Voters got a settlement.

"Well, at least like all the other settlements we've seen, they won't be forced to publicly apologize."

The League of Women Voters of Arizona said in a statement that in settling the case, the poll-watching group and its founder Melody Jennings have "agreed to publicly condemn intimidation of any kind in connection with the exercise of the right to vote."

"This litigation has been essential to protect the voters of Arizona, who have the right to cast their ballots free from intimidation, threats, or coercion,” said Pinny Sheoran, president of the League of Women Voters of Arizona, in the group's statement.

Alexander Kolodin, an attorney for Jennings and her group, told the Washington Post Sunday that "both sides value and wish to protect freedom of speech and the right to free assembly while also condemning any sort of voter intimidation."

Ah, yes, they valued it so much they got dragged into court and lost three times for trying to stop it.

When the voter suppression group formerly known as Clean Elections was asked for comment, they hissed over their shoulder and fled into a dark cave.

The Kari Lake case is in the judge's hands now. As a reminder, Lake is being represented by two attorneys who were both sanctioned for saying 35,000 votes appeared out of thin air. (One of these lawyers is also a Cyber Ninja) The case is an effective redo of part of her earlier case, as six of her seven counts were not allowed an appeal. This means she had one chance here: to prove that signature verification didn't happen and also this cost her the race. As we've seen, this seems mathematically, erm, "challenging" in much the same way it's challenging to swim up a waterfall. Lake lost by more votes than she even claimed were not verified, and then her own star witness said, in court, under oath, "What I Meant Was, signature verification was in fact going on as normal".

Kari Lake has not yet conceded defeat, and may or may not have paid her lawyers for defeat after defeat. By all credible accounts, this is her final option. Barring a massive legal loophole or miracle, she's going to lose this one too, meaning she'll have nothing to show for this but a string of failures, mockery, and possibly retaliation lawsuits by her own lawyers when they don't get paid (I'm just assuming that last one, read this thread back, you know the evidence is on my side).

Maybe she'll change her name to Great Salt.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

6) Mike Pence just now discovered Dunkin Donuts.

No, really. Scroll down that tweet, there are some good replies. One of my favorites is "Yeah, nothin says Man of the People more than trying Dunkin for the first time at 63."

Further proof that Mike Pence is just a robot pretending to be human.

[Captain N]

Further proof that Mike Pence is just a robot pretending to be human.

[Edge-]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b2343561.html

Trump apparently think he can get in on that sweet defamation settlement action, despite all his attempts thus far going about as well as Trump Steaks. In that they went nowhere.

$3.8B defamation lawsuit over Truth Social reporting, specifically reporting on a whistleblower that alleged that the company concealed details about a proposed merger from the SEC. A whistleblower who has reportedly handed over 150K internal documents to the feds as a part of their own investigation into Truth Social for money laundering and separate SEC and FRA investigations as well.

Remember, he was just ordered to pay the NYT attorney fees after his lawsuit against them was tossed.

[Breccia]

$3.8B defamation lawsuit over Truth Social reporting, specifically reporting on a whistleblower that alleged that the company concealed details about a proposed merger from the SEC. A whistleblower who has reportedly handed over 150K internal documents to the feds as a part of their own investigation into Truth Social for money laundering and separate SEC and FRA investigations as well.

(deep breath)

(long exhale)

It's only defamation if it's [known to be false. Or, same idea, they should have known it was false.

Nothing about the feds investigating Truth Social is new. There is no reason to believe a whistleblower handing the feds documents for an investigation we know is happening, is obviously false.

Let's also add: there is a negative one hundred percent chance Truth Social was worth $4 billion. Meaning, the assertion is WaPo should be fined "two entire Forbes' estimation of Trump's worth" as punative damages, and give that to Trump.

I hope you're right about Trump having to pay WaPo's lawyer fees. I also hope the lawyers that bring this get schooled. I've never set foot in any law school and even I know this is the opposite of how it works.

[postman1782]

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/22/n...efamation.html

You may think that was from the case that he already lost without clicking the link, but NOPE. E. Jean Carroll is suing his stupid ass again because of what he said during the CNN townhall. I think she should sue CNN as well if they didn't push back against him. She is basically asking the judge to make the terms of the judgement harsher so he gets the point. He won't get the point til it probably hits 10 figures, because he will just ask his stupid followers for more money. 5 million was nothing to him, he got that the day of the CNN townhall most likely from his gullible followers.

Hopefully this will be a swift judgement in her favor.

[Edge-]

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/22/n...efamation.html

You may think that was from the case that he already lost without clicking the link, but NOPE. E. Jean Carroll is suing his stupid ass again because of what he said during the CNN townhall. I think she should sue CNN as well if they didn't push back against him. She is basically asking the judge to make the terms of the judgement harsher so he gets the point. He won't get the point til it probably hits 10 figures, because he will just ask his stupid followers for more money. 5 million was nothing to him, he got that the day of the CNN townhall most likely from his gullible followers.

Hopefully this will be a swift judgement in her favor.

I'm here for Trump never being able to let this go and just stacking additional penalties/judgements until Carroll basically owns him.

[postman1782]

I'm here for Trump never being able to let this go and just stacking additional penalties/judgements until Carroll basically owns him.

He already isn't worth jack, so just about everyone that he owes money to, including Russia and China, owns him. Which is why he reacts favorably to Xi and Putin.

[Breccia]

Trump megadonor abandons him.

Hal Lambert, founder and CEO of Texas-based Point Bridge Capital, said he wants to "do a lot to help DeSantis win" amid strong speculation the Florida governor will confirm his presidential campaign in the coming days.

Lambert, who set up an exchange-traded fund named after the former president's Make America Great Again 2016 campaign slogan, MAGA ETF, and previously served on Trump's inaugural committee in 2016, told the New York Post that he decided to back DeSantis after meeting with him and his wife in Florida three weeks ago.

Lambert said he was also put off by Trump's recent CNN town hall, where Trump continued to falsely claim the 2020 election was "rigged."

Yes, the issue was him claiming it was rigged last week. Not, say, the preceeding two years.

"What voters who didn't vote for Trump in 2020 are going to vote for him this time based on his performance? I don't think anyone will," Lambert told the Post. "We can't talk about things from four years ago that can't be changed. Trump is going to have a difficult time winning the general election. The election won't be about Joe Biden's bad record. It will be a referendum on Trump instead."

Yes, that was him not saying "Trump is wrong" or "Trump is lying" or "Trump lost". He said "can't be changed".

Addressing DeSantis's recent poor polling, Lambert suggested that Trump's lead will start to erode once the Florida governor officially enters the race.

"Trump's support will drop under 50 percent," Lambert said.

So what we're seeing here is a Trump cultist trying to jump ship. Not a classic conservative who finally had enough. Not a Republican who went along for the ride but deciding enough's enough. This is an actual cultist. And even he is backing away.

Somewhat related: remember Robert Zeidman?

"The guy who took Lindell's bet and won?"

Yes, and Lindell didn't want to pay, so it went to Minnesota court, and the Minnesota court unanimously agreed with Zeidman. They ordered Lindell to pay what he owed within 30 days.

Big surprise, he hasn't paid yet. (-1 CNN point)

Less big surprise, Lindell is suing on the grounds of corruption.

"On what evidence?"

He hasn't said. He just noted that several laws allow for an arbitration order to be vacated if corruption is found. So he's going to court to yell "Corruption!" and hope it works.

It won't.

“This is a complete sham. A complete sham,” Lindell told CNN. “The bottom line is this thing is wrong, and I’m not stopping until we prove him wrong.”

To be fair, CNN called on the phone for comment. Lindell was not given a town hall meeting.

While I admit it is physically possible that the arbitration body Lindell personally asked for was yuge bigly rigged JOBS! against him, I don't think Zeidman had enough money to bribe the three-member panel who wrote and signed this twenty-four page decision consisting of all the evidence that Zeidman had and Lindell didn't, and more to the point, if there were 24 pages of discussion of the reason for the victory, there wasn't a need to bribe anyone. Also the panel denied Zeidman's claim for legal fees, so if he did in fact bribe them, he didn't get his money's worth.

You'll notice that decision was written April 19th and gave Lindell 30 days to pay. Lindell waited till the last minute, then sued. If he's found to have done this in bad faith, he might be facing further penalties, especially if he accuses the arbitration team he specifically asked for of corruption, under oath, with no evidence. We're looking at defamation and perjury here.