Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Milchshake]

I think we all remember how and why Pence ended up on the 2016 Team Trump ticket. He was a classic conservative, he was supposed to be a stabilizing influence.

Most people omit the key factoid. That Paul Manafort had to trick Trump into meeting Pence. By faking a plane problem so Trump would be stuck in Indianapolis long enough to bump into Pence.

Trump had wanted Christie or Gingrich .....

[Sunseeker]

Most people omit the key factoid. That Paul Manafort had to trick Trump into meeting Pence. By faking a plane problem so Trump would be stuck in Indianapolis long enough to bump into Pence.

Trump had wanted Christie or Gingrich .....

Well, the Newt did offer to build a moonbase.

[Breccia]

Most people omit the key factoid. That Paul Manafort had to trick Trump into meeting Pence. By faking a plane problem so Trump would be stuck in Indianapolis long enough to bump into Pence.

...who's saying that? This one's new to me, and I'm usually up-to-date on the ravings of mad cultists.

Trump had wanted Christie or Gingrich .....

Christie is gone.

Gingrich...still an option.

1) He says Trump shouldn't debate, because it would give the other candidates free publicity. No, Gingrich doesn't believe that, he knows full well the debates reach an audience regardless.

2) He's still on FOX News making election fraud claims.

I think it’s probably almost impossible under current law to ensure an accurate election. And I think the only Republican strategy in the long run is to pick issues and win by margins so big that they can’t steal it. If you have a very close election, Democrats have a passion for stealing them.

3) He flat-out said he's the only one in the Republican Party who feels good about the party and their ability to fight Biden.

4) And he says Trump has a better and better chance of winning every time another candidate announces.

+3 CNN points for that, by the way.

So, yeah, he's an option. Or at least, he thinks he is. He adds some to the ticket, being more of a hybrid than a pure cultist, but not too much -- he is the only major GOP figure with exactly the same number of divorces as Trump, and if he could get elected for anything important, he would have run years ago.

[Edge-]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...n-carroll-case

Lawyers for a man found liable of committing sexual assault want a new trial because they think that being a victim of sexual assault just isn't worth $5M in damages.

[Lynarii]

Yes, the base controls the party, and Trump controls the base. The party has no control at all, no power at all. Hense, the party is dead without Trump. The voter suppression supports my argument, because it is literally them showing even THEY know how fucked they truly are.

I'm going to disagree with you on the voter suppression part. They've always been fans of that, the Voting Rights Act was literally enacted to try and cut down the amount of voter suppression that was going on at the time, and ever since it was enacted they've been picking it apart and defanging it at every opportunity. Even in areas where they have a near guaranteed win, they engage in voter suppression just to make absolutely certain there is no opportunity for accountability at any level.

[cubby]

I think we all need to appreciate how much we all learned about the legal system because Trump is a lying loser criminal.

Except @cubby. He already knew all that. But might want to know about the notification...

We have certainly seen the boundaries pushed in legal shenanigans because of Trump. I will fully admit I have certainly learned things in the legal arena. And don't be surprised when we see more.

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Apparently, it's common for defense lawyers to meet with prosecutors before formal charges, which I never knew about but it leads me to question, who else's lawyers met with the prosecutors, because Trump obviously is the target, but he surely can't be the only target, especially wrt jan 6th.

Very common, especially when dealing with complicated crimes or situations. Prosecutors will meet with defense attorneys and essentially lay out their case against the soon-to-be or already defendant. Usually it's after indictment but before formal trial process begins (essentially during "discovery" - which is a broad area in criminal cases, similar but also different than civil ones).

This is where the Prosecutors will sometimes offer a plea deal, or the defense will ask for one, etc. Trials are tough on both sides and can be difficult to win out, so finding a deal saves everyone time/effort/money/prison.

[Breccia]

Not a huge surprise if true, but early reports are claiming it's the Espionage Act.

You have homework for tonight, everyone.

[Draco-Onis]

We have certainly seen the boundaries pushed in legal shenanigans because of Trump. I will fully admit I have certainly learned things in the legal arena. And don't be surprised when we see more.

I think what Donald Trump has illuminated more than anything is how the law treats those with money and power versus us common peons. He is the perfect public illustration of the discrepancy for everyone to see.

[Captain N]

I think what Donald Trump has illuminated more than anything is how the law treats those with money and power versus us common peons. He is the perfect public illustration of the discrepancy for everyone to see.

And also a shining example of how a large portion of the American populace somehow equates money with success. No matter how shitty a human being, the fact that he has (had?) money somehow makes him someone to worship.

[Strange One]

I think what Donald Trump has illuminated more than anything is how the law treats those with money and power versus us common peons. He is the perfect public illustration of the discrepancy for everyone to see.

And yet people living in trailers will hail him as one of them. It truly is a cult.

[Edge-]

In today's episode of -



https://edition.cnn.com/2023/06/08/p...ury/index.html

Former Republican Speaker of the House, and fan of "Feelings over Facts", Newt Gingrich is speaking (or was speaking) with the Grand Jury.

[Bakis]

Not a huge surprise if true, but early reports are claiming it's the Espionage Act.

One of Trump’s key defenses — that he declassified the documents — is irrelevant under the Espionage Act.

So curious, since its about Trump.
Is this the "Documents are declassified when I utter the words" all over for the 41th time

[postman1782]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/don...jury-rcna88233

IT'S FUCKING HAPPENING! Trump said himself that he has been indicted in the classified documents probe.

[Edge-]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/don...jury-rcna88233

IT'S FUCKING HAPPENING! Trump said himself that he has been indicted in the classified documents probe.

Not quite yet. Trump saying it definitely does not make it true.

Slow your roll and wait for DoJ confirmation, then we can sit down with our popcorn to watch the Great Triggering, 2023 Edition.

[Bakis]

Not quite yet. Trump saying it definitely does not make it true.

Slow your roll and wait for DoJ confirmation, then we can sit down with our popcorn to watch the Great Triggering, 2023 Edition.

Maybe he can get political asylum in Russia or North Korea. In his own words hes best buddies with 'em both.
So much hate on Trump with all these legal witch hunts.

[beanman12345]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/don...jury-rcna88233

IT'S FUCKING HAPPENING! Trump said himself that he has been indicted in the classified documents probe.

i hope it's real, but I'm gonna wait on literally anyone but 20k+ lies in office Trump on anything, including his own indictment.

EDIT - NBC confirms okay it's happening

[postman1782]

Not quite yet. Trump saying it definitely does not make it true.

Slow your roll and wait for DoJ confirmation, then we can sit down with our popcorn to watch the Great Triggering, 2023 Edition.

MSNBC has now just confirmed it on Joy Reid, who was talking to Ari Melber, he will be in court on Tuesday.

[Shadowferal]

He testing certain waters to see how his followers react/behave.

[The Stormbringer]

HA HA! My gif was not premature! It was just building the hype! Get FUCKED Trump! Enjoy your indictment in a criminal case you piece of shit!

[Doctor Amadeus]

And just like that Trump boards his plane for Moscow and then…?

Honestly he can run for President from prison can he run for President as a fugitive?