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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    They would - the charges are so clean and objective, it would be hard at this point to find a scenario in which he could effectively dodge them all. The issue of prison is a difficult one. Assuming Trump is convicted of a crime that requires jail time, I see three possible scenarios:

    1. Federal Minimum Security. Secret Service can be rotated in on regular shifts. Since all of this would be historically unprecedented, making these kinds of arrangements would be possible.

    2. Military Prison. I am least knowledgeable about how this would work. However, the security of minimum security prisons would more than likely be "better" than federal ones, and would be easier to set up whatever the Secret Service would need. Most of this option is guesswork on my part.

    3. Home incarceration. Unfortunately this is the most likely scenario. Easy, still "prison", and far more less-controversial felons have been granted this option. Stuck at Mar-a-lago with no visitors, no television, no communications.
    Couldn't we use one of those concentration camps he had built on the border that was used for illegal immigrants? Give all the immigrants in one of them green cards just to spite him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fwc577 View Post
    Trump reportedly asked Garland how he could cool things down prior to the release of the warrant. Hey Donny, how about next time you comply with the original fucking subpoena? Get fucked, bitch.
    It also seems the tiniest bit insincere when he has been fanning those flames constantly since the raid happened.

    You can't ask someone how to cool things down when your still holding the flamethrower.
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

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    Quote Originally Posted by fwc577 View Post
    Trump reportedly asked Garland how he could cool things down prior to the release of the warrant. Hey Donny, how about next time you comply with the original fucking subpoena? Get fucked, bitch.
    Well, DilDon can't hand Garland a dog with a bleeding anus and say "Can you unfuck this for me?"

    What can you do Donny?

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    Quit using other posters as levels of crazy. That is not ok

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    Quote Originally Posted by fwc577 View Post
    Trump reportedly asked Garland how he could cool things down prior to the release of the warrant. Hey Donny, how about next time you comply with the original fucking subpoena? Get fucked, bitch.
    Effectively asking Garland to drop charges in exchange of not fanning the flames of his rabid retards should add more charges against him. What a fuck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belize View Post
    Effectively asking Garland to drop charges in exchange of not fanning the flames of his rabid retards should add more charges against him. What a fuck.
    From this year's CPAC:



    I cannot emphasize enough how that image is unedited in any way that I'm aware of. That's a real slogan they put on their banner.

    The country's on fire, and there's only one group who's holding lit matches and spraying gasoline.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    From this year's CPAC:



    I cannot emphasize enough how that image is unedited in any way that I'm aware of. That's a real slogan they put on their banner.

    The country's on fire, and there's only one group who's holding lit matches and spraying gasoline.
    It's like trying to reclaim "Nazi" as a positive term...there's just no doing it and any attempt to do so, even tongue-in-cheek, is pretty on the nose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    I cannot emphasize enough how that image is unedited in any way that I'm aware of.
    The picture is real.

    “We Are All Domestic Terrorists” was also the title of a panel discussion, it should be noted. Present on that panel was Julie Pickren, a Texas State Board of Education candidate who claimed the title was meant to be tongue-in-cheek, the Houston Chronicle reported. “Nobody in this room is a domestic terrorist,” she reportedly told the crowd of attendees.
    Of course, the room was full of Trump supporters, known insurrectionists and insurrection supporters. Oh, and they're defending stealing nuclear secrets. Until a Trump supporter says otherwise, by virtue of being a Trump supporter they also support the insurrection, which used violence to cause political change, literal terrorism.

    Unless "domestic" refers to those that only terrorize their wives and children. Of course, that Venn diagram overlap is pretty significant, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    From this year's CPAC:



    I cannot emphasize enough how that image is unedited in any way that I'm aware of. That's a real slogan they put on their banner.

    The country's on fire, and there's only one group who's holding lit matches and spraying gasoline.
    Wait...hold on. That's not a parody or anything? That's literally what CPAC has as their banner, that they chose?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    Wait...hold on. That's not a parody or anything? That's literally what CPAC has as their banner, that they chose?
    Yeah, they did.
    I know we're all surprised.
    It's a shock. I couldn't believe my eyes either.
    CPAC was honest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    This all goes back to Putin always having had leverage over Trump, from years back, like we saw in so many pieces of evidence. We'll almost never know the full story, but all the pieces point to several things having always been correct, including (and I hate to have to bring this up) the Pee Tape.

    Basically, Putin was Trump's handler. Not kidding. Totally terrifying.
    My thing is what did Trump and Putin talk about when they were both alone a few years back. That honestly needs to be out in the open. I wouldn't want Biden or any other president to have secret talks with no one around, especially one that has economic ties in some fashion to that country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gondrin View Post
    My thing is what did Trump and Putin talk about when they were both alone a few years back. That honestly needs to be out in the open. I wouldn't want Biden or any other president to have secret talks with no one around, especially one that has economic ties in some fashion to that country.
    We'll literally never know, because there are only three people who could tell us: Trump, Putin, and Putin's interpreter. And I don't think we'd view any of those three as remotely credible sources.

    - - - Updated - - -

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...44684.html?amp

    In the bizarro world of Republicans, an FBI raid on a former president over possibly illegally taking government documents, including a lot of classified information, to his personal residence results in a +10 point bump when polled against his likely primary rival.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    We'll literally never know, because there are only three people who could tell us: Trump, Putin, and Putin's interpreter. And I don't think we'd view any of those three as remotely credible sources.

    - - - Updated - - -

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...44684.html?amp

    In the bizarro world of Republicans, an FBI raid on a former president over possibly illegally taking government documents, including a lot of classified information, to his personal residence results in a +10 point bump when polled against his likely primary rival.
    Nah, it makes perfect sense. In their worldview, they see it as he was taking something away from the government. Most alt-right HATE the government until they need to use it to suppress some group of people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    "Whoa whoa whoa, this is all wild speculation."

    So are all the Trump defenses. I think this is completely fair. I mean, Trump could make this all go away. He said it was all declassified. He could just tell us what was in the documents. The fact that he isn't is his problem.
    That Trump has already tried using "Obama did it too" as a deflection kind of kills the plausible deniability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    Wait...hold on. That's not a parody or anything? That's literally what CPAC has as their banner, that they chose?
    Yeah, I remember reading about it then, they legit put this on, even had it spoken through their speaker system.
    Since we can't call out Trolls and Bad Faith posters and the Ignore function doesn't actually ignore it. Add
    "mmo-champion.com##li.postbitignored"
    to your ublock or adblock filter to actually ignore ignored posters. Now just need a way to ignore responses to them as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    Wait...hold on. That's not a parody or anything?
    The person who chose the banner, said it was. But a Trump rally engaged in literal terrorism and defend the act to this day. She's literally correct.

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    T'is quite amusing to see the Party of Law and Order make a 180 towards arguments such as Defund the FBI (or in one case, Attack the FBI) when Law and Order is coming for them this time around.

    I do wonder where this will lead. One doubts the Bureau and other authorities would have sought a wildly publicized raid on a former President's residence without a very good reason, nor would the AG give this a go without a good reason as well. This didn't just happen become some pencil-pusher at the National Archives got annoyed Trump nicked records on Midwestern agricultural yields in 2017 or something.

    On the other hand I have a very hard time believing anyone there actually wants to see said former President be on trial or anything of the sort. Yes, yes, there's probably little lost love for Trump at that level of government, but there's a vast gulf between thinking the guy is a jackass and wanting to drag him in court for the entire world to see and laugh at, to say nothing of how this sorta thing will drive Ya'll Quada into a murderous frenzy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jastall View Post
    On the other hand I have a very hard time believing anyone there actually wants to see said former President be on trial or anything of the sort. Yes, yes, there's probably little lost love for Trump at that level of government, but there's a vast gulf between thinking the guy is a jackass and wanting to drag him in court for the entire world to see and laugh at, to say nothing of how this sorta thing will drive Ya'll Quada into a murderous frenzy.
    The FBI probably wouldn't mind an excuse to round up some of these nut jobs. Hell, whole thing could be a honeypot just to get them riled up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jastall View Post
    T'is quite amusing to see the Party of Law and Order make a 180 towards arguments such as Defund the FBI (or in one case, Attack the FBI) when Law and Order is coming for them this time around.

    I do wonder where this will lead. One doubts the Bureau and other authorities would have sought a wildly publicized raid on a former President's residence without a very good reason, nor would the AG give this a go without a good reason as well. This didn't just happen become some pencil-pusher at the National Archives got annoyed Trump nicked records on Midwestern agricultural yields in 2017 or something.

    On the other hand I have a very hard time believing anyone there actually wants to see said former President be on trial or anything of the sort. Yes, yes, there's probably little lost love for Trump at that level of government, but there's a vast gulf between thinking the guy is a jackass and wanting to drag him in court for the entire world to see and laugh at, to say nothing of how this sorta thing will drive Ya'll Quada into a murderous frenzy.
    Much like with other literal terrorists, you don't capitulate to them. If they want to go and try killing a bunch of law enforcement, much like other times, they will get put down. A LOT of them will not do anything that might put their life in danger. They are literally keyboard warriors that talk a big game but will NEVER go through with it. Societies that kowtow to terrorists literally get taken over by them.

    Terrorists, much like the Nazi Party and other groups like them, don't stop until either they take over completely or get put down violently. That is why, the policy as far as the US goes, you don't negotiate with them ever unless you get more out of it and they get less. Terrorists NEVER stop going for more and more if you give them what they want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jastall View Post
    T'is quite amusing to see the Party of Law and Order make a 180
    It remains baffling how much of their soul they're willing to sell for Trump. It would have been trivial to say "Well they're just doing their jobs, and clearly Trump is innocent so just let them come back empty-handed".

    If they believed that.

    Since they actually believe Trump is a criminal, it instead has become "defund the FBI and impeach Garland for daring to cross Trump" Trump's guilt or innocence isn't even part of the deal.

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