Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[postman1782]

But did he know what she was?

I would hope so, since he hired her. But I guarantee he's a moron and doesn't care.

[Resurgo]

Oh I can't wait to see what piles up...
DoJ prepared for more charges as insider trading scheme uncovered at Trump Media SPAC

Might be related to this...
Might be related to something else...

With everything that's in the works, trump and his lawyers might be looking at over 100 charges before the year is out!

[The Stormbringer]

Um...also, Trump seems more and more confused about the situation he finds himself in by the hour.

Sounds like Trump is the one that's going senile here... He's seriously still trying to get that stuff back? I knew he had serious issues in the head, but this is some next level stuff. I can kind of understand him using that as an excuse, but if he genuinely believes that even after all this time? Dude is off his rocker.

[Breccia]

Sounds like Trump is the one that's going senile here.

Maybe. This is not the only evidence we've seen pointing in that direction, and he is neither young nor healthy.

But I think there's a more likely explanation.

Trump has gone through a long life surrounded by people who refused to tell him "no". The people who knew what he was doing was wrong, did not speak up for fear of being fired. The people who did not know if he was doing wrong or not, did not speak up or agreed for fear of being fired. And of course, the people trying to manipulate him had an easy task.

It would not surprise me in the least if the WH lawn had dozens of staff, peering curiously at a truck being loaded with government property, saying to each other "Is he...is he really taking those?" but nobody calling for help. Who would they call? Best they thought they could do is wait a couple weeks, then tell people...and I'm also betting that's exactly what happened. I mean, when your boss says "Load up those boxes" a lot of employees might just do that without, you know, asking what's in them. What are the odds your shift manager at Arby's is packing up boxes of C4 explosives and sending them to Hoboken, NJ, after all? Trump's lawyers at the time were people like Giuliani and Eastman. Yeah, neither of them were going to tell him no. They probably didn't even know about it.

So Trump did what Trump always does: whatever he wants, regardless. That's what he was doing when he handed classified intel to Russia. That's what he was doing when he blackmailed Ukraine, hit on married women, refused to pay countless employees and set up a fraud university and fraud charity.

Nobody wanted to tell Trump they weren't his.

"Oh, so it's all okay, then."

No, not even close. One, he was supposed to know, regardless. Choosing not to find out is not an excuse. Assuming you're right and not checking is not an excuse. Two, he spent a lifetime cultivating that kind of yes-man shield around himself. That's also his own fault. And three, he was kind of distracted with the whole "leading a murderous insurrection of his own violent terrorists" at the time.

He gave up fighting the fair and legal election loss far quicker than he's given up fighting the Mar-a-Lago issue. He knows he lost the election -- his ALL-CAPS postings are a knowing lie, like "I promise to be faithful to (wives A/B/C)" and "No I didn't rape Carroll" and "I can get 25 million jobs and 4% GDP".

"Are you sure it's not dementia?"

Of course not. But I think his family is sure it's not dementia. Trump isn't nearly as rich as he says, he might not even be a billiionaire honestly, but he does still have some money left. What would his family, not "a family in general" no the Trump family specifically, do if Trump was going senile?

Cluster around him. Protect him from the press and strangers. Ensure their name/face/voice was always in Trump's mind. Spend every possible second with him, so they stay in the will.

What is Trump's family doing instead? Melania's all but vanished. I've cited stories about her like six times in the last year, two of which were about her re-negotiating her pre-nup in exchange for another run at the Big House. Fuck. White House. Ivanka and Kushner fled. As Mary Trump recently said and I cited, Don Jr. and Eric have nowhere else to go.

How many of them were at his indictment?

No really, go back and look.

This is not the situation you'd expect to find around someone being comforted in their last days of sentience. Also...I think they'd be steering him away from the WH if they knew he was objectively, medically demented and anyone found out, the damage to the family name would be irreprable.

I am not defending Trump as sane. He's a sociopathic narcisist. Nor am I any form of medical or psychological expert. Just, from the clues we have in public, I think there's a more likely reason than senility.

He's 70-plus years of spoiled brat wrapped in willful ignorance.

[postman1782]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b2366597.html

There is reports coming from the DoJ that they are looking at adding up to 45 more charges to Trump, AND his co-conspirators. Yes, you read that right, this could include people like Rudy Guiliani, who was key to multiple crimes in Trump's dealings having to do with Jan 6th, the fake electors, the stolen documents and other things.

Supposedly these 30-45 subsequent charges will be made in a different district, such as New Jersey because they were committed in Trump's Bedminster golf course.

[Breccia]

There is reports coming from the DoJ that they are looking at adding up to 45 more charges to Trump

Hah!

AND his co-conspirators. Yes, you read that right, this could include people like Rudy Guiliani, who was key to multiple crimes in Trump's dealings having to do with Jan 6th, the fake electors, the stolen documents and other things.

This would match with the story I recently posted about Giuliani possibly flipping.

I'll believe that more charges will be filed when they're filed, but, this seems like a bold claim to make up and lie about -- I don't think the Independent UK is a source that would do that.

[Benggaul]

It's over guys, Trump won an election...kinda.

Donald Trump Wins Election in Oregon After Voters Submit Him as Candidate

The former president has won a seat on the Hubbard Rural Fire Protection District after he and four other people received two votes each as write-in candidates in the May 16 vote.

Trump was declared the winner and was elected as the Hubbard Fire District Board Director Position No. 3 after the election was decided by a roll of the dice on June 23.

However, it remains to be seen if the man who is running for the White House in 2024 will take up the role in Oregon.

"The candidate who won the dice roll off was Donald Trump and because he doesn't live or own property in the district, the next step would be to determine if either of the other two candidates who won the dice roll are interested," Hubbard Fire Chief Michael Kahrmann told the Salem Statesman Journal.

I'm waiting for this to be heralded to the heavens by all of the MAGAts as some great win despite it essentially being a bad DnD dice roll.

[Kaleredar]

It's over guys, Trump won an election...kinda.

Donald Trump Wins Election in Oregon After Voters Submit Him as Candidate



I'm waiting for this to be heralded to the heavens by all of the MAGAts as some great win despite it essentially being a bad DnD dice roll.

He couldn't even get a majority vote in a race with 10 ballots cast.

[Gabriel]

It's over guys, Trump won an election...kinda.

Donald Trump Wins Election in Oregon After Voters Submit Him as Candidate



I'm waiting for this to be heralded to the heavens by all of the MAGAts as some great win despite it essentially being a bad DnD dice roll.

Oof, talk about nat 1.

[Drutt]

Oof, talk about nat 1.

I bet the d20 was orange.

[Breccia]

I don't know which is funnier:

Trump ally Lindsey Graham booed off stage at South Carolina MAGA rally near his hometown

or

Trump Greeted By Chants of ‘F*CK YOU TRAITOR!’ ‘LOCK HIM UP!’ On Way To Moms For Liberty Speech

That first one is FOX News, so, +1 CNN point either way.

[Karreck]

That first one is FOX News, so, +1 CNN point either way.

Look, at first I was mad at you for giving me a Fox News link to click, but I forgive you because that was hilarious to watch.

[Breccia]

at first I was mad at you for giving me a Fox News link to click

Get used to it. FOX News and Trump are no longer bff's.

- - - Updated - - -

Okay, this is interesting.

Pence says he called the AZ Gov after Trump lost in 2020, but that it was a perfect phone call.

I think the record reflects that I did check in with not only Governor Ducey, but other governors in states that were going through the legal process of reviewing their election results, but there was no pressure involved.

I was calling to get an update. I passed along that information to the president.

So...here's what I think happened:

I think Pence has been watching the news. I think he thinks Agent Smith and/or Georgia are expanding their investigations, and I think he's right. I think he knows for a fact he called around, I think he's worried that he's going to get swept up, and I think he's volunteering this information now before it gets spilled.

"You think Pence was an insurrenctionist?"

No. If he was, he had better options, and while he's a spineless wussmobile he errs on the side of honor more than the criminals in Trump's entourage. But at this point, he's got to be worried he'll be swept up with said criminals, and does not wish to be.

If I'm reading this right, the fact that Pence is scared should be enough evidence that Trump is in real trouble.

[postman1782]

https://www.latimes.com/politics/sto...-court-for-him
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020...ess-conference

Why am I linking articles from days after the 2020 election was finalized and called for Biden? Because Trump called another state to decertify an election in 2020. He called Doug Ducey in Arizona to decertify. And he literally did it at the public ceremony where Ducey was literally certifying the election results. The only thing that is the difference to Georgia, is that Ducey didn't record it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...or-doug-ducey/

I can't read the source, because of paywall, but that is ANOTHER crime to add to Trump.

[gondrin]

So, if you change Trump saying this about Hillary and make it someone else saying it about Trump, it would fit word for word.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...544db8e3&ei=16

Trump repeatedly warned that indicted suspects should never serve as president

Donald Trump warned years ago against the possibility of a president coming under indictment, although he's running for a second term under those exact conditions.

The twice-impeached, twice-indicted former president is the leading Republican contender for 2024, but during his first campaign in 2016 he said a president serving while under indictment would “cripple the operations of our government” and create an “unprecedented constitutional crisis,” reported CNN.

“We could very well have a sitting president under felony indictment and ultimately a criminal trial,” Trump said during a Nov. 5, 2016, campaign rally in Reno, Nevada. “It would grind government to a halt.”

But Trump, who was charged last month with 37 federal counts in the Mar-a-Lago classified documents case, was referring at that time to his Democratic rival Hillary Clinton, who has never been indicted for any alleged crimes.

“If she were to win, it would create an unprecedented Constitutional crisis that would cripple the operations of our government,” Trump said at another rally on Nov. 3, 2016, in Concord, North Carolina. “She is likely to be under investigation for many years, and also it will probably end up – in my opinion – in a criminal trial. I mean, you take a look. Who knows? But it certainly looks that way.”

Trump, who was also indicted on fraud charges in Manhattan and faces numerous other state and federal investigations, has vowed to remain the race even if he's convicted.

“She has no right to be running, you know that,” Trump said at the North Carolina rally. “No right.”

He also said at a Nov. 5, 2016, rally in Denver that Clinton was “the prime suspect in a far-reaching criminal investigation,” and he said those allegations would make it “virtually impossible for her to govern.”

[Edge-]

Really though, Republicans must love the ritual humiliation since they keep signing themselves up for this shit.

Graham getting booed by a home fuckin crowed and then going on to have Trump just talk shit about him to the crowd rofl. I bet there's a waiting list to offer your wife up to Donald Trump or something, because all these Republican dudes seem to get off on Trump humiliating them.

[Breccia]

Boy, who could have ever guessed that DWAC officials might have been doing a little bit of insider trading around the proposed SPAC deal?

UPDATE: Digital World Acquisition Corp., the special purpose acquisition company that inked a deal to acquire former President Trump's media and tech company, said on Monday that it has struck a tentative settlement with securities regulators.

The SEC's probe has centered around whether DWAC executives held merger talks with Truth Social's parent company before the SPAC's IPO in 2021.

Such discussions are not allowed, per securities regulations.

Under the tentative settlement, DWAC would pay a $18 million penalty and revise some of its regulatory filings.

So...I am no expert on stock purchases or things like this that mimic stock purchases, but I do know there was a finite amount of stock sold at the outset for a finite amount of money. There appear to be 30 million of them and they were originally sold for $10 -- and if need be, will be bought back for $10, as required by law.

I've posted, oh, "once or twice" that DWAC has already spent millions just to not die. This won't help.

There are three possible options:

1) Give up. The vote in September could fail, DWAC would be required by law to refund the $10 per share -- again, that's why the stock price has gone no lower. Based on what they've already lost, they'll end up losing about $30 million total to have bought nothing. This screws Trump, who will not get the money.

2) This could instead be encouragement to push the deal through, trying to recover their losses. Bear in mind, the time frame between "Trump sells the company" and "Trump is allowed to Tweet without going on Truth Social first" is...uh...actually I'm not sure if/when that ends. But the second Trump has his money from the sale, his past words and actions suggest he'll immediately break the deal. Trump leaving his own social media company will destroy what's left of its value, and its would-be owners surely know this. DWAC, the new owners, would immediately sue, and Trump would just, you know, not care.

3) Or, DWAC could go bankrupt. Yes, SPACs can go bankrupt, it happens. This also screws Trump, saddling him with a cheap Chinese knockoff of Twitter nobody likes, and that's saying a lot, have you seen the Twitter thread? There's like one person defending Musk anymore.

Again, non-expert here, but I think #2 is the most likely option, and not just because Trump is a big pile of #2. I think the other two options are guaranteed losses, while the middle option has some chance of success, if Trump lives up to his word -- I did say chance -- and drives up Truth Social's engagement by running exclusively on it.

I guess, if your team is behind by 14 and there's two minutes left, you may as well try an onside kick.

Unrelated: DeSantis releases an anti-Trump ad invoking American Psycho, Brad Pitt and...calls Trump a gay lover? I dunno, I stopped reading at the word "Gigachad".

[ringpriest]

So, if you change Trump saying this about Hillary and make it someone else saying it about Trump, it would fit word for word.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...544db8e3&ei=16

A recurring theme of J.R.R. Tolkien's writing is that evil cannot truly create. That idea is expressed in these two quotes from Frodo and Treebeard respectively.

“The Shadow that bred them can only mock, it cannot make: not real new things of its own. I don't think it gave life to the orcs, it only ruined and twisted them, and if they are to live at all, they have to live like other living creatures.”

“Maybe you have heard of Trolls? They are mighty strong. But Trolls are only counterfeits, made by the Enemy in the Great Darkness, in mockery of Ents, as Orcs were of Elves. We are stronger than Trolls.”

That's why all the right's attempts to smear their opponents always come across as projection - they are so lacking in imagination and empathy that the all they can do is take their own crimes and claim their opponents are doing them.

[Breccia]

It's time again for Guess the Speaker!

The plan will be revealed. And all this other stuff that people are talking about: ‘We gotta do this in the election. We gotta do that.’ This plan has never been done before. It’s never been even suggested before, and when you get up on August 18th, you’re gonna wake up and go, ‘This is the greatest thing ever!’ I don’t care if you’re a Democrat, Republican, or who you are, you’re gonna have so much hope.

"Usually speeches like 'I have the best plan ever, just wait till a later date for it' means Donald Trump."

Close, it's Mike Lindell.

"He's still a thing?"

He was on Bannon's show, so at least a few people still think so.

"Do cocaine addicts frequently come up with ideas nobody else has had before?"

I'm kind of scared to answer that. Let's say "yes".

"Are they the best th--"

Oh, God, no. This fucker is crazy. And 50/50 he forgets about it.

[Redwyrm]

If Mike Lindell has kids I can imagine them pulling their hair out over how much Mike has burned of their inheritance at the altar of Trump