Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Shadowferal]

Donald Trump Gets Cold Shoulder from Melania Trump Amid Divorce Rumors

Doubt it'll happen soon. But no surprise if it happens when Trump is in jail.

[Dontrike]

Donald Trump Gets Cold Shoulder from Melania Trump Amid Divorce Rumors

Doubt it'll happen soon. But no surprise if it happens when Trump is in jail.

Trump may want the divorce just to unload half his debts on to her.

[Ivanstone]

If Mike Lindell has kids I can imagine them pulling their hair out over how much Mike has burned of their inheritance at the altar of Trump

He has 4. I wouldn't be too shocked if he was estranged from them since he got divorced in the 90's when he was a crack and gambling addict.

[Belize]

He has 4. I wouldn't be too shocked if he was estranged from them since he got divorced in the 90's when he was a crack and gambling addict.

"Was" a crack addict?

[Ivanstone]

"Was" a crack addict?

He's no longer a crack and gambling addict. He exchanged those for religion and politics addiction.

[Edge-]

https://newrepublic.com/post/174087/...sbarment-trial

A pro-Trump lawyer has requested to permanently retire from practicing rather than face disciplinary proceedings that would have likely resulted in his disbarment.

rofl,

[Breccia]

Doubt it'll happen soon. But no surprise if it happens when Trump is in jail.

Trump may want the divorce just to unload half his debts on to her.

I've been keeping my eye on these stories for the last few years. I'm fairly sure Melania held her prenup at gunpoint and demanded more money for herself, and her son, in exchange for sticking around for 2024. But it's no secret she's barely with him anymore. The rumors will continue indefinitely.

Trump cannot afford to leave Melania, or have her leave. It's not the kryptonite of "Melania had an abortion" but the reasons Melania would give for leaving are as believable as they are legion. If she says "He cheated on me and paid the whore" and/or "He cares more about hiding in the WH from the cops than our marriage" his poll numbers drop more than he can afford in the RNC primaries, let alone the general vote. Trump will do almost anything to get back in the WH for his own personal survival, therefore, he will do almost anything to keep Melania from making a loud public exit.

But.

Trump has been very careful with the public/private separation of his businesses. Remember, he went business bankrupt six times and personally bankrupt zero times. And he's a sociopathic narcisist who thinks he's good at business.

There is a damn near zero percent chance Trump's marriage with Melania gives her any form of contact or control over even a crumb of his businesses. This includes even the new prenup. I've read reports that the new prenup says "Baron gets his own XXX" but that's about it. I beleive the term is "separate property" and I won't cite cubby because he'll probably point out I'm wrong.

I think the current situation means it is legally impossible for Melania to "inherit" Trump's debts.

There is an option, but it's a real long shot. I'm not an expert, but the New York Bar is. They outline a few examples of what can break a prenup...

...and one of them is fraud.

Failing to disclose assets and/or debts on your prenup is potential grounds to have it torn up. Now, I don't know that such would default to a 50/50 split of everything. The judge doesn't have to go that way. "You had nearly nothing when you married him," the judge could say, "so you don't get half." If Trump and his lawyers committed a fatassload of fraud, however, the judge could do it either as a punative measure, or just to spite Trump for being a felon with his own supermodel wife.

So that's what I think it would take:
1) She'd have to move to divorce him
2) He'd have had to commit substantial fraud in the prenup
3) And she'd have to be able to prove it
4) And get a judge who was looking for an excuse to be vindictive.

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rofl,

Whoa, that was Lin Wood. His name has come up in an alarming number of threads, but just to remind everyone what a piece of shit he is, I'll pick this one:

Things are not looking great for Lin Wood.

For one, the family of Kyle Rittenhouse -- you remember Kyle Rittenhouse? Guy who shot two unarmed protestors and then fled the scene? -- anyhow the family is saying, Wood is trying to keep the bail money. Problem is, Wood didn't pay the bail money. Also there's something in Wisconsin law about "if you're guilty of murder, the judge can give your bail money to the victim's family" or some such, and the money came from donations in the first place, etc. It's all very Trumpy.

For two, apparently he was involved in some settlements in a case involving another teenager...dude seems to like hanging out with small boys, where's that Epstein lawyer...and his former partners (guess why they're former!) are saying Lin Wood is trying to steal their share of the settlements, and also, that Wood lied to a judge about doing it.

Oh, and that Wood sent emails on the topic and those former partners have those emails. Memo to everyone: if you're going to commit a crime, stop writing that shit down.

And third, a judge has ordered Lin Wood to take a mental health exam, on the grounds that he's crazy or maybe a substance abuser -- both of which are grounds for unrelated disbarrment to the post I'm quoting.

[Teriz]

Donald Trump Gets Cold Shoulder from Melania Trump Amid Divorce Rumors

Doubt it'll happen soon. But no surprise if it happens when Trump is in jail.

Not surprising that she wants to divorce him. Part of marrying into wealth is the prestige that comes along with it; being invited into the upper echelons of the rich and powerful. Before Trump became a right wing figurehead, he was beloved by a lot of people, especially during his years as host of the Apprentice.

Nowadays though, he looks like a two-bit criminal, and the head of an army of morons and racists, and he has to constantly cater to them for power. That pushes all the elites and fellow celebrities away from you. It's not a secret that he despises his own Maga followers, but he needs them to stay afloat. I'm also sure that Melania despises them too. She didn't marry Trump to hang out with troglodytes like Steven Miller and Steve Bannon.

The best part of this is how jealous he is of Obama because he is beloved around the world. That love and adoration from the elites of society is what Trump wants, but he's never going to get it.

[Breccia]

That love and adoration from the elites of society is what Trump wants, but he's never going to get it.

Ah, we get to the root of the problem. Sorry, one of the problems.

Trump had fame, love, and adoration from the elites of society. It wasn't enough. And his attempt to get more not only made him lose standing, but the way in which he went about it might land him broke and in jail.

Look, there is nothing wrong ever with wanting to improve your position. But at some point, you have to put limits on it based on a risk/reward situation. I could have more money if I murdered people and took their stuff. In WoW I do that thousands of times a day. In real life, I'd never even consider it.

[DarkTZeratul]

Trump had fame, love, and adoration from the elites of society. It wasn't enough.

Correction: Trump had fame. But the elites of society mostly knew what kind of man he was and treated him accordingly, which was with basically the opposite of love and adoration. I can understand why he didn't think that was enough.

[Breccia]

Correction: Trump had fame. But the elites of society mostly knew what kind of man he was and treated him accordingly, which was with basically the opposite of love and adoration. I can understand why he didn't think that was enough.

Hmm....you could be right from an outsider's perspective. Trump thought he was loved, tho. They kept inviting him to parties and putting him on TV. He's a sociopath and would have been unable to tell the difference.

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So, how did Trump, the man who claims he did everything to MAGA, spend the 4th? On social media, of course.

Fuck Biden

Okay to be fair, he didn't write that one. He just re-Truth'd it at 2AM.

Adjudged by his social media behavior on Truth Social, Trump appeared to be up late into the wee hours before putting his phone down. The meme that the former president shared read in script lettering, “81 million votes …. and I’ve never seen a pro Biden hat, shirt or flag in my life. ” Below the script is a flag that reads “F*ck Biden” because that’s the state of public political discourse from Trump’s loyal base of supporters.

Well, let's move onto something he did write.

MASSIVE PROSECUTORIAL MISCONDUCT IS CURRENTLY TAKING PLACE IN AMERICA. THE WEAPONIZATION OF LAW ENFORCEMENT CANNOT BE ALLOWED TO HAPPEN.

CRIME & INFLATION ARE RAMPANT, OUR BORDERS ARE OPEN, OUR ELECTIONS ARE RIGGED, OUR ECONOMY IS IN SHAMBLES, OUR ENERGY INDEPENDENCE IS GONE, OUR “LEADER” IS MERCILESSLY MOCKED, & OUR COUNTRY IS BEING DESTROYED BOTH INSIDE & OUT. DO THE PEOPLE OF THIS ONCE GREAT NATION EVEN HAVE A CHOICE BUT TO PROTEST THE POTENTIAL DOOM OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA??? 2024!!!

There was some other stuff in there. I think he called Agent Smith a crackhead.

"Trump is claiming Biden is being mocked?"

I mean, probably by him. World leaders seem pretty okay with him. Been that way for a while.

"What's this about energy independence?"

Also, false. Trump saw the US continue its movement towards that goal that started in 2009 and just happened to be in the WH when we crossed over in 2019.

But...he was also in the WH when we left it in 2020.

Biden was in the WH when we were energy independent again in 2022.

"The econ--"

Look, it's a statement by Trump, you can and should expect it to be almost entirely lies. He's still calling elections rigged.

Related:

1) More info about the Mar-a-Lago warrants was made public.

The less redacted version of the affidavit also refers to other allegations mentioned in the indictment, including statements from a Trump attorney that he’d been told “all the records that came from the White House were stored in one location within Mar-a-Lago, the storage room.” The indictment said the documents had been stored in several locations, including Trump’s office and residence, a ballroom stage and a bathroom.

2) Swing state Republicans bleed donors and cash over Trump's false election claims

Real estate mogul Ron Weiser has been one of the biggest donors to the Michigan Republican Party, giving $4.5 million in the recent midterm election cycle. But no more.

Weiser, former chair of the party, has halted his funding, citing concerns about the organization's stewardship. He says he doesn't agree with Republicans who promote falsehoods about election results and insists it's "ludicrous" to claim Donald Trump, who lost Michigan by 154,000 votes in 2020, carried the state.

"I question whether the state party has the necessary expertise to spend the money well," he said.

The withdrawal of bankrollers like Weiser reflects the high price Republicans in the battleground states of Michigan and Arizona are paying for their full-throated support of former President Trump and his unsubstantiated claims that the 2020 election was stolen from him.

The two parties have hemorrhaged money in recent years, undermining Republican efforts to win back the ultra-competitive states that could determine who wins the White House and control of the U.S. Congress in next November's elections, according to a Reuters review of financial filings, plus interviews with six major donors and three election campaign experts.

Arizona's Republican Party had less than $50,000 in cash reserves in its state and federal bank accounts as of March 31 to spend on overheads such as rent, payroll and political campaign operations, the filings show. At the same point four years ago, it had nearly $770,000.

The Michigan party's federal account had about $116,000 on March 31, a drop from nearly $867,000 two years ago. It has yet to disclose updated financial information for its state account this year.

3) It's not just Rhodes giving Trump advice about prison.

You know what, Trump ought to stop bashing the Mexicans too bad on that border crisis stuff down there because when he gets in here, he’s going to be outnumbered. He’s going to find out they’re going to be his best friend. And he better stock up on Big Macs because they don’t serve that shit in here

-- Joe "Tiger King" Exotic, 2024 candidate for some reason

I actually had more, but it was about Don Jr. and based on the Biden thread, it's not an acceptable topic.

[Strange One]

Not worth it's own thread but Trump Jr has called off his Aussie trip. He claims it was a visa issue, but most sources are saying it's cause there weren't enough ticket sales.

I can't find the original article so this is close enough

[Kaleredar]

Not worth it's own thread but Trump Jr has called off his Aussie trip. He claims it was a visa issue, but most sources are saying it's cause there weren't enough ticket sales.

I can't find the original article so this is close enough

It’s mind-boggling enough that a blathering loser like trump and his family have a draw in the United States.

It’s almost aneurysm-inducing to think that they have a draw in other countries.

[Huehuecoyotl]

@Breccia - given what you know about Trump, what do you think the odds are that he DIDN'T commit fraud on his pre-nup with Melania?

Isn't fraud pretty much like breathing for this guy?

[Poopymonster]

Not worth it's own thread but Trump Jr has called off his Aussie trip. He claims it was a visa issue, but most sources are saying it's cause there weren't enough ticket sales.

I can't find the original article so this is close enough

I could see the Aussie's denying the visa as a realistic response.
If something is coming down the pipes, you kinda don't want that level of baggage when words like Extradition are involved. Plus if/when an indictment happens for dilDon Jr while outside the US, his flight back can always Be Diverted Due To Plane Issue and visit his Step-Vlad or another place to hide.

[Gorsameth]

I could see the Aussie's denying the visa as a realistic response.
If something is coming down the pipes, you kinda don't want that level of baggage when words like Extradition are involved. Plus if/when an indictment happens for dilDon Jr while outside the US, his flight back can always Be Diverted Due To Plane Issue and visit his Step-Vlad or another place to hide.

No one wants to harbor Jr. He holds no value at all.

[Breccia]

@Breccia - given what you know about Trump, what do you think the odds are that he DIDN'T commit fraud on his pre-nup with Melania?

Isn't fraud pretty much like breathing for this guy?

I'll answer, but only if you explain where your name came from.

I think there is a low chance he intentionally committed fraud, and with the recent redo of it, an even lower chance of unintentional fraud. This is Trump's third trophy wife, he is very possessive, and at the point in his life where he signed it, he could still get high-quality lawyers. Remember, Trump cheated on every single one of his wives, especially his second wife with Melania. As such, by then, he surely would have gotten a prenup that was not just bulletproof, but explosionproof.

See, while I am not a lawyer, I am a mathematician, and I'm projecting hard on this next part here. What I saw while looking into this suggests the most common way of committing fraud on such a contract, is to leave items out. "She gets A, B, and C, I keep X, Y, and Z." If there's a P or Q and you know it but don't mention it, the judge gets to decide if that's communal property and/or evidence of a felony. By contrast, if it says "She gets A, B, and C, I keep everything else" the lack of P or Q mentioned does nothing. I'm guessing it's not exactly like that, but something similiar in legal-ese where someone like Trump, who starts up businesses and then immediately watches them die because he's a horrible businessman, could make a contract designed to last for a decade or more without having to re-update it every time he buys a hot dog stand.

And even if I'm wrong about that, Melania recently forced an update, and therefore, this would be Trump's fourth prenup, and while he's losing criminal lawyers left and right, he might still have his divorce lawyer. Unless it's Cohen. In any event, the stories are the Melania said "I want P and Q" and Trump probably responded with "Okay fine, but I still get 'everything else' then."

Simply put, Trump is in a far worse place now than when he married Melania, but he's still a sociopathic narcisist, still believes life is a zero-sum game, still demands personal control of everything, and probably signed the new form with a vindictive mindset. I don't think he took a lot of chances. I think he wanted to be sure, for the fourth and likely final time he signs a prenup (well, maybe his cellmate will be the fifth) that he got to screw the other member of the contract one last time.

Because he's sure not doing it in the bedroom.

[Huehuecoyotl]

I'll answer, but only if you explain where your name came from.

I think there is a low chance he intentionally committed fraud, and with the recent redo of it, an even lower chance of unintentional fraud. This is Trump's third trophy wife, he is very possessive, and at the point in his life where he signed it, he could still get high-quality lawyers. Remember, Trump cheated on every single one of his wives, especially his second wife with Melania. As such, by then, he surely would have gotten a prenup that was not just bulletproof, but explosionproof.

See, while I am not a lawyer, I am a mathematician, and I'm projecting hard on this next part here. What I saw while looking into this suggests the most common way of committing fraud on such a contract, is to leave items out. "She gets A, B, and C, I keep X, Y, and Z." If there's a P or Q and you know it but don't mention it, the judge gets to decide if that's communal property and/or evidence of a felony. By contrast, if it says "She gets A, B, and C, I keep everything else" the lack of P or Q mentioned does nothing. I'm guessing it's not exactly like that, but something similiar in legal-ese where someone like Trump, who starts up businesses and then immediately watches them die because he's a horrible businessman, could make a contract designed to last for a decade or more without having to re-update it every time he buys a hot dog stand.

And even if I'm wrong about that, Melania recently forced an update, and therefore, this would be Trump's fourth prenup, and while he's losing criminal lawyers left and right, he might still have his divorce lawyer. Unless it's Cohen. In any event, the stories are the Melania said "I want P and Q" and Trump probably responded with "Okay fine, but I still get 'everything else' then."

Simply put, Trump is in a far worse place now than when he married Melania, but he's still a sociopathic narcisist, still believes life is a zero-sum game, still demands personal control of everything, and probably signed the new form with a vindictive mindset. I don't think he took a lot of chances. I think he wanted to be sure, for the fourth and likely final time he signs a prenup (well, maybe his cellmate will be the fifth) that he got to screw the other member of the contract one last time.

Because he's sure not doing it in the bedroom.

Fair enough.

And because you asked, my name was the druid I created WAY back in the day in WoW. I wanted a name that fit the class, so I did a bit of internet diving and discovered a South American shape shifting god by the name of Huehuecoyotl. Seemed pretty much on the nose for a druid, and when I was joining this place I decided to use it for my name on here (it was my main at that point).

God, that takes me back. It's probably 15 years or more ago that I created that character.

[Breccia]

a South American shape shifting god

Hah! I hoped that was it.

Unrelated: my favorite local roaster has a huehuetenango coffee light/medium roast I adore, but only tried it because of the name.

[Edge-]

Not worth it's own thread but Trump Jr has called off his Aussie trip. He claims it was a visa issue, but most sources are saying it's cause there weren't enough ticket sales.

I can't find the original article so this is close enough

the fuckin cope from these fuckin losers who just get so big mad that they're not as popular as they think they should be.