Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[ringpriest]

I don't know if I'd call it a death knell in this regard. If I'm not mistaken, many trials get pushed back for various reasons, though most aren't political campaigns. More of "my kids sick", I have a medical procedure, stuff like that.

It does continue the cycle that Trump does with our government, though. Test, rather than respect, every boundary.

To be clear, I don't mean that this particular pushback is the death knell, but rather that is what I fear this trial as a whole is going to become. "Nauta's" lawyers don't have any excuse, and Cannon ought not let them push things back as a result. If she does (and to be fair, she hasn't ruled on this yet, so far as I know), it will be a sign that her courtroom is open for any bullshit delay Trump's team wants to bring, and that in turn could turn the trial into a painful, drawn-out joke. And that will be a death-knell.

[Breccia]

Nauta's lawyers

Agent Smith is not a fan.

Special Counsel Jack Smith fired back at former President Donald Trump’s aide and co-defendant Walt Nauta on Monday after his lawyer filed a motion seeking to delay a hearing scheduled for Friday.

Nauta, whose arraignment in the case over the mishandling of sensitive White House documents was twice delayed, is requesting that Judge Aileen Cannon push back the Friday conference because one of his lawyers will be attending an unrelated trial in Washington, DC.

The Trump aide also said his side needs more time to obtain the necessary security clearances needed to view the government’s evidence against him.

“An indefinite continuance is unnecessary, will inject additional delay in this case, and is contrary to the public interest,” Smith wrote in response to Nauta’s request in a court filing.

Smith also claimed that Nauta’s lead lawyer – Stanley Woodward – has failed to file the paperwork required to receive an interim security clearance.

“Perhaps more to the point, as of this writing, Mr. Woodward has yet to complete his Form SF-86, which is necessary for him to receive both an interim clearance and final adjudication, despite having been put in contact with the Litigation Security Group on June 12, some three-and-a-half weeks ago,” Smith writes.

It takes a while to get any form of clearance. You know what speeds that up? Applying. Nauta's lawyers are asking for an extension because they ignored Cannon's orders in the first place.

The latest request made by Nauta’s team did not suggest a new date for the hearing on the handling of classified evidence in the case, only arguing that the Justice Department and Nauta should find a time that “is mutually agreeable to all necessary counsel of record.”

Ah, we've seen that on these very forums, haven't we? The Trump side being unreasonable, then asking for concessions under the disingenuous guise of compromise.

I'm not sure Cannon can do what you're suggesting, however. Nobody wants to set legal prescedent that someone running for office can't be brought to trial for things that happened 2 years prior. If Cannon sets that, I'm filing the paperwork for 2024 then knocking over a gas station.

[ringpriest]

Agent Smith is not a fan.



It takes a while to get any form of clearance. You know what speeds that up? Applying. Nauta's lawyers are asking for an extension because they ignored Cannon's orders in the first place.



Ah, we've seen that on these very forums, haven't we? The Trump side being unreasonable, then asking for concessions under the disingenuous guise of compromise.

I'm not sure Cannon can do what you're suggesting, however. Nobody wants to set legal prescedent that someone running for office can't be brought to trial for things that happened 2 years prior. If Cannon sets that, I'm filing the paperwork for 2024 then knocking over a gas station.

It's nice to see Smith firing back, but I was under the impression that once "Nauta's" lawyers went from "indefinite delay" to "next week" he got on board with the delay.

As for Cannon delaying the trial... she's not going to just dismiss the case. If it happens (which is my expectation, although we have few indications of if her behavior has changed), the official paperwork will be filled with "unique circumstances" and "in cases where a date would create unreasonable hardship" (and completely ignoring how Trump has deliberately created the situation) she'll find further excuses for delay.

[Breccia]

It's nice to see Smith firing back, but I was under the impression that once "Nauta's" lawyers went from "indefinite delay" to "next week" he got on board with the delay.

It's likely, yes, I think your article might actually have been written second.

[Edge-]

So what's funny is I'm listening to the Ultra podcast Rachael Maddow did about that time American Nazis tried to overthrow the US a few times before WWII and I gotta say. It really is remarkable how little right wing legal bullshit tactics have changed since the Nazis were doing it in the 40's. Just delay, delay, delay, cause chaos whenever possible, make pointless filings, play innocent despite everyone knowing what they're doing, openly trolling the court who have to pretend to pure neutrality.

Really interesting how little some things change for the far right, which does seem to find themselves in US courts a lot.

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Agent Smith is not a fan.

I'm sure he'll love the latest proposal then -

Just wait until after the 2024 election on November 5 to start it.

You'll absolutely never guess who proposed it.

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How's MAGA doing?

Mike Lindell is auctioning off pillow making equipment like sewing machines, industrial fabric spreaders, and forklifts citing the need to change the business now that his pillows are only in a few stores and most of their business is online. Also that he's lost over $100M from attacks by the big box stores and shopping networks.

That Republican whistleblower Gal Luft, the guy who just got indicted on a range of charges including failing to register under the FARA (foreign agent) and arms traficking and violating Iranian sanctions was also a regular on Fox News. Oops.

Tuckers viewership has cratered. It's still reportedly around 3.8 million which isn't bad! But the way viewership works it's also not as great as it seems as the Fox numbers are higher than reported with reruns and clips viewed online etc. Either way it's lost 86% of his viewership since he started his Twitter show.

Doesn't seem to be going great in MAGA world!

[Breccia]

Doesn't seem to be going great in MAGA world!

The decline of Carlson and Lindell is...actually a little surprising. I don't remember Trump selling them out. You'd think they'd still have enough support to, well, not die.

[D Luniz]

The decline of Carlson and Lindell is...actually a little surprising. I don't remember Trump selling them out. You'd think they'd still have enough support to, well, not die.

Carson, not so much
he believed the viewers liked him and not the trash he spews
he can be replaced with anyone that says the same drek
people keep pointing out alot of Fox's "viewership" seems to be from businesses that just leave their tvs on.
I honestly would like to see what happens if al cable boxes would switched to a different channel remotely 10 mins before primetime, just how many would be turned back to Fox in time to watch that block.

[Twdft]

Cucker Tarlsons viewers had to switch from simply turning on their TV to using another device and finding his show. Not surprising to me at all that he lost 86% if them.

I "watched" a lot of twitch when they still had a desktop app. It started up with my pc and I would have it in the background, sometimes even with sound turned off. Still counted as a viewer. It would be no problem to have it in a browser... but I simply don't. Can't be arsed to open a tab with it.

[Breccia]

The Justice Department (DOJ) said Tuesday it will no longer defend Trump as being immune in writer E. Jean Carroll’s defamation lawsuit.

The DOJ cited the legal battle that ensued as to whether their original certification was proper, which held up the case for months. It bounced between multiple courts in New York and Washington, D.C., ending with no clear resolution.

Citing the recent rulings, the DOJ wrote it “has determined that it lacks adequate evidence to conclude that the former President was sufficiently actuated by a purpose to serve the United States Government to support a determination that he was acting within the scope of his employment when he denied sexually assaulting Ms. Carroll and made the other statements regarding Ms. Carroll that she has challenged in this action.”

Also, Trump just defamed her immediately after losing the first time. He wasn't in the WH then, so, opinions on immunity don't cover that.

[Edge-]

Damn, so the president denying that he sexually assaulted a woman decades before he was in office and insulting the woman from the podium in the process isn't actually part of the core presidential duties?

Jeffrey (Jefferson? I'm not sure) Sessions and William Pelham Barr will both be positively shocked to hear this!

[gondrin]

So what's funny is I'm listening to the Ultra podcast Rachael Maddow did about that time American Nazis tried to overthrow the US a few times before WWII and I gotta say. It really is remarkable how little right wing legal bullshit tactics have changed since the Nazis were doing it in the 40's. Just delay, delay, delay, cause chaos whenever possible, make pointless filings, play innocent despite everyone knowing what they're doing, openly trolling the court who have to pretend to pure neutrality.

Really interesting how little some things change for the far right, which does seem to find themselves in US courts a lot.

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I'm sure he'll love the latest proposal then -

Just wait until after the 2024 election on November 5 to start it.

You'll absolutely never guess who proposed it.

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How's MAGA doing?

Mike Lindell is auctioning off pillow making equipment like sewing machines, industrial fabric spreaders, and forklifts citing the need to change the business now that his pillows are only in a few stores and most of their business is online. Also that he's lost over $100M from attacks by the big box stores and shopping networks.

That Republican whistleblower Gal Luft, the guy who just got indicted on a range of charges including failing to register under the FARA (foreign agent) and arms traficking and violating Iranian sanctions was also a regular on Fox News. Oops.

Tuckers viewership has cratered. It's still reportedly around 3.8 million which isn't bad! But the way viewership works it's also not as great as it seems as the Fox numbers are higher than reported with reruns and clips viewed online etc. Either way it's lost 86% of his viewership since he started his Twitter show.

Doesn't seem to be going great in MAGA world!

The far right hates the government(unless they are the ones in charge of it) absolutely loves to use that same government to try and gum things up when they cannot get anywhere as far as legislatively.

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Cucker Tarlsons viewers had to switch from simply turning on their TV to using another device and finding his show. Not surprising to me at all that he lost 86% if them.

I "watched" a lot of twitch when they still had a desktop app. It started up with my pc and I would have it in the background, sometimes even with sound turned off. Still counted as a viewer. It would be no problem to have it in a browser... but I simply don't. Can't be arsed to open a tab with it.

Well, after starting my new job and having to deal with a lot of older people trying to use technology, that doesn't come to a surprise. Quite a few of his viewers are older and any form of tech that isn't the TV might as well as be magic to them.

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8oz of red meat with 4 slices of cheese in a single sandwhich......
JFC!

Eh, that is a standard double cheeseburger outside of it having 2 extra slices of cheese.

[Flarelaine]

Damn, so the president denying that he sexually assaulted a woman decades before he was in office and insulting the woman from the podium in the process isn't actually part of the core presidential duties?

Jeffrey (Jefferson? I'm not sure) Sessions and William Pelham Barr will both be positively shocked to hear this!

Jefferson Beauregard. The third. Not one, but two slaveholders, both traitors to boot.

Sessions, his father, and his grandfather were named after Jefferson Davis, a U.S. senator and president of the Confederate States of America,[3] and P. G. T. Beauregard, a veteran of the Mexican–American War and a Confederate general who oversaw the Battle of Fort Sumter that commenced the American Civil War.

[Edge-]

Jefferson Beauregard. The third. Not one, but two slaveholders, both traitors to boot.

With a middle name like that, I'm kicking myself that I ever forgot.

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Remember that "2000 Mules" movie that felon Dinesh did? The one where they promised that all kinds of proof of the massive voter fraud would be revealed?

And then True the Vote, the group supposed to reveal it, ended up not revealing anything at all?

Well True the Vote apparently filed all kinds of complaints with the Secretary of State in Georgia claiming that they'd received detailed accounts of this fraud there and 2000 Mules proved it or something.

Anyways, the AG's office is now asking a judge to order True the Vote to comply with its subpoena requesting this documentary evidence, as GA investigated the claims and found them to be unfounded.

A lawyer for True the Vote in June wrote in a letter that True the Vote had already provided some of the information requested to the Georgia Bureau of Investigation but declined to provide the identities and contact information for people described in its complaints “because doing so may put those persons in physical or personal jeopardy.”

One man falsely accused in the film of committing ballot fraud has filed a still-pending federal lawsuit against True the Vote, D’Souza and others. Surveillance video in the film shows Mark Andrews, his face blurred, depositing five ballots in a drop box in downtown Lawrenceville, a suburb northeast of Atlanta, ahead of the 2020 election. A voiceover by conservative pundit and filmmaker Dinesh D’Souza says: “What you are seeing is a crime. These are fraudulent votes.”

A state investigation found that Andrews was dropping off ballots for himself and his three adult children.

It's funny because the people who are actually facing harassment are primarily election workers who just want to do their fucking job and have to deal with unhinged conspiracy theoriests who believe THE BIG LIE threatening them and their families.

Every

Accusation

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Admission

[Mekh]

Did this thread just lose 100 pages?

[Poopymonster]

Did this thread just lose 100 pages?

Who got nuked/deleted this time? I don't think UnifiedDivide had 100 pages of posts.

[Karreck]

Did this thread just lose 100 pages?

There is some funky shit going on.

[Breccia]

Well True the Vote apparently filed all kinds of complaints with the Secretary of State in Georgia claiming that they'd received detailed accounts of this fraud there and 2000 Mules proved it or something.

If you have proof of a crime, publicly announce that you have proof of the crime, and do not bring that proof forwards, that should be obstruction. A felony. Not defamation, prison, for withholding necessary evidence of a crime -- which, again, you say in public you have.

Of course, these guys are lying. That's defamation. Either way, warrant. Don't announce you have evidence of a crime and then hide it. That's just fucking stupid.

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Yet another book written by yet another Only Sane Person In The WH. Throw it in the pile.

This one's interesting, it's Cassidy Hutchinson, who fled the WH after Jan 6th and is, therefore, trying to salvage her reputation and future in DC. But she's in the same situation as all the others.
1) She worked willingly for Trump.
2) She turned on Trump.
3) Her career is over.

The book is billed as the "saga of a woman whose fierce determination helped her overcome difficult childhood challenges to get her dream job" — only to face a crisis of conscience after being privy to West Wing meetings and conversations amid the Capitol attack.

Yeah, everything was just fine until Jan 6th? Whatever. Have fun flipping burgers.

[Edge-]

Yeah, everything was just fine until Jan 6th? Whatever. Have fun flipping burgers.

It's been a while since we've seen the, "Trump associates can't get jobs." articles. I wonder if that's all blown over or if they've all found themselves some conservative millionaire sugar daddy so they can benefit from some conservative political socialism for out of work politicians.

You know, like Christie, Haley, and others are doing right now.

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DeSantis Hits Trump for Skipping Iowa Event and Refusing to Commit to Debate

Nobody is entitled to this nomination. You have got to earn the nomination.

I’ll be at all the debates because the American people deserve to hear from us directly about our vision for the country and about how we’re going to be able to beat Joe Biden.

Carefully crafted words by DeSantis. "Entitled". "Earn". Not mentioning Trump by name. It's very well done.

And it won't work. DeSantis needs the publicity of the debates to get his message out. Trump has TV and Twitter. Yes, he'll return to Twitter. Trump knows he sucks at debating and knows he can't answer actual, meaningful questions.

However, if they have the balls to do it, the RNC can make this work. I don't think they will, based purely on 2016 and 2020 (they're showing signs of breaking form but haven't done it yet), but they could say "we will not support and will not nominate anyone who refuses to debate". It's way too early for Trump to call their bluff. Trump would just show up, call everyone silly names and yell "rigged" into the mic, lose 20 percent and still be the RNC frontrunner.

The Republican Party knows that Trump is killing them. They know that supporting Trump in 2024 will end in a loss, possibly even worse than Trump's loss in 2020 and Trump's losses in 2018 and 2022, giving Biden the House and Senate for two years. They can stick with him anyhow, they can find a tasteful way to move him off the ticket and keep his voters, or they can throw him out now and hope to recover in time. (They can also pray that Trump goes to jail or dies and spares them the effort, but even Republicans know praying doesn't have a great track record of getting results) Or, they can try to get him back in line -- a risky move with a low chance of success. In theory it's possible. Trump wants to spend other people's money instead of his own, and Trump wants people to chant his name in public. Handling the sociopathic narcisist to make him do what you want is possible. Risky, but possible.

[Edge-]

https://twitter.com/hearnimator/stat...32114267119616

The Trump campaign is recycling Nazi imagery in their fundraising emails.

Again.