Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Edge-]

Over-under on trump having sold them?

Also, if they were loaned to the White House/office of the presidency at the time, then they extra don’t belong to trump. Not even a little.

but kalredar, trump is america. he is the government. so government property is ultimately his property. silly billy!

i eagerly await his parties condemnation and swift demands that he locate and return the jewish artifacts

[Breccia]

Over-under on trump having sold them?

Low. I think Trump would rather have the shiny shiny gold shiny ooooooooo than risk going into what would certainly be the black market.

EDIT: Also, how would you steal a bunch of Israel national treasures and not be aware of it? No, I'm calling bullshit on that one. He took them and he knows he has them.

[D Luniz]

Over-under on trump having sold them?

Also, if they were loaned to the White House/office of the presidency at the time, then they extra don’t belong to trump. Not even a little.

I wont go with sold
I WILL place 5 thousand Woolongs on that he has damaged two or more of them (and possibly a third by writing his name on it)

[Edge-]

EDIT: Also, how would you steal a bunch of Israel national treasures and not be aware of it? No, I'm calling bullshit on that one. He took them and he knows he has them.

come oonnnnnn, you heard him! there were boxes! lots of boxes! he didn't pack them all, people packed them! he didn't have time to supervise everything, he's a big important many with big important things to do during executive hour like eating his two scoops of ice cream while screaming at fox news!

honestly I believe he honestly doesn't know he has them because the man is a fucking idiot and attention to detail is arguably as well developed and effective as his humility. that being said he still ultimately bears responsibility, and it continues to speak to how the man persistently surrounds himself with incompetent idiots who also have no idea what they're doing

[Breccia]

there were boxes! lots of boxes! he didn't pack them all, people packed them!

Yeah, no. I can see some overeager staffers grabbing the wrong papers by accident. Ain't none of them grabbing Jewish treasures for Trump and saying "eh, he probably meant to put these in the boxes of documents, these look like something obviously claims-to-be-Christian Trump would have".

[Endus]

by the way, have we talked about how Trump stole a bunch of Israeli national treasures?

Because Trump stole a bunch of antiquities that Israel loaned to the White House before the pandemic and then just never gave them back and now they're in Florida at his club



the man is now an international thief!

I feel like this should be handled by a representative of their Israeli owners showing up to Mar-A-Lago with a truck (no clue how big they'd need) to take them back, and a half-dozen police officers with a search warrant. If the items are not immediately and voluntarily handed over to the rep's satisfaction, arrest Trump for grand theft to the tune of whatever value the items have, and the officers can help search the premises for the stolen items. Can't locate the items? Presume they were unlawfully sold and we've got all new charges to add to the theft. No "they might be here somewhere, I dunno" bullshit.

We're being super generous here in allowing Trump the chance to give them back, rather than just cuffing his ass and throwing him into a squad car.

[The Stormbringer]

I feel like this should be handled by a representative of their Israeli owners showing up to Mar-A-Lago with a truck (no clue how big they'd need) to take them back, and a half-dozen police officers with a search warrant. If the items are not immediately and voluntarily handed over to the rep's satisfaction, arrest Trump for grand theft to the tune of whatever value the items have, and the officers can help search the premises for the stolen items. Can't locate the items? Presume they were unlawfully sold and we've got all new charges to add to the theft. No "they might be here somewhere, I dunno" bullshit.

We're being super generous here in allowing Trump the chance to give them back, rather than just cuffing his ass and throwing him into a squad car.

I would also accept a squad of repo-men and cops showing up and just looting whatever seems valuable, equal to the value of items lost. Bonus points if they take Trump's favorite things.

[Edge-]

Yeah, no. I can see some overeager staffers grabbing the wrong papers by accident. Ain't none of them grabbing Jewish treasures for Trump and saying "eh, he probably meant to put these in the boxes of documents, these look like something obviously claims-to-be-Christian Trump would have".

to be fair...they were probably wrapped in old newspaper and stuffed in a supply closet beneath some recordings of discussions in the oval office or something

[Breccia]

I feel like this should be handled by a representative of their Israeli owners showing up to Mar-A-Lago with a truck (no clue how big they'd need) to take them back, and a half-dozen police officers with a search warrant. If the items are not immediately and voluntarily handed over to the rep's satisfaction, arrest Trump for grand theft to the tune of whatever value the items have, and the officers can help search the premises for the stolen items. Can't locate the items? Presume they were unlawfully sold and we've got all new charges to add to the theft. No "they might be here somewhere, I dunno" bullshit.

I'm guessing the Israelis know the stolen items are at Mar-a-Lago because they are on display. They will have unquestionable proof of ownership. Yeah, this sounds like a problem that should be resolved directly and without question, if it was anyone other than Trump.

[Endus]

I'm guessing the Israelis know the stolen items are at Mar-a-Lago because they are on display. They will have unquestionable proof of ownership. Yeah, this sounds like a problem that should be resolved directly and without question, if it was anyone other than Trump.

Like, I'm trying to think of why they wouldn't just roll up with police backing and take the items back. Trump might get angy and stomp his widdle tiny feetsies about it?

[Milchshake]

Lol google ads made my day! I had no idea there was Jack Smith swag available.




Etsy, just take my money!

[Breccia]

Like, I'm trying to think of why they wouldn't just roll up with police backing and take the items back. Trump might get angy and stomp his widdle tiny feetsies about it?

Well I mean, once the warrant is settled, yeah. The SS would disapprove of a foreign government showing up with guns without asking first, but they are law enforcement and will behave as such.

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6*) This one's about Kari Lake lead lawyer Alan "please don't sanction me" Dershowitz.

He's begging the court for 30 to 60 days time to write an article explaining why he shouldn't be santioned for being Kari Lake's lawyer.

UPDATE: He didn't get the time. Sanctions upheld but lowered.

Whether Mr. Dershowitz signed, or intended to sign, those filings as “counsel” or “attorney” or “of counsel,” he signed them. And he effectively conceded that he authorized his signature on these filings without investigating whether they were legally and factually sound. If there was any doubt this brought him within the ambit of Rule 11, the evidence detailed above demonstrates that all parties involved understood the value of his signature. It was an agreed-upon part of his retention. It led opposing counsel and the public to believe he represented Plaintiffs in this matter—a notion furthered by Plaintiff Lake and Mr. Lindell themselves. Mr. Dershowitz did not do anything to dispel this notion until after the Maricopa County Defendants moved for sanctions. Further, he participated in at least one telephonic conference with opposing counsel; his telephonic presence was announced at the one hearing on the merits; and, according to Mr. Parker, he reviewed and provided feedback on at least the FAC.

Boom. Headshot. Sit the fuck down, Alan.

Also, yet another book by the "Only Sane Person In The WH" claims that Trump ordered him to break the law, knew he was ordering him to break the law, and promised to pardon him if he got caught.

"What low-level staffer was this?"

The DHS Chief of Staff. Trump ordered him to tell federal judges "We can't take people into the US, it is full" even if they had all their papers and knowing that it was a lie.

He recalls Trump "pressuring" agents to seal the border, urging them to tell federal judges that the country was "full."

"Just say, 'Sorry, Judge, I can't do it. We don't have the room,'" Taylor quotes Trump as saying.

Trump was "telling them to ignore federal judges and deport people anyway, even if they had a right to be in the United States," Taylor writes.

A Customs and Border Protection leader—reportedly the agency's then commissioner Kevin McAleenan— tried to explain to Trump why that would be against the law, Taylor writes.

Trump offered a presidential pardon, according to Taylor.

"Seriously, keep them all out. Don't let any more in. If you go to jail for it, I'll pardon you," Taylor quotes Trump as saying.

"If this was such a big deal, why didn't he resign in protest?"

He did. Literally as soon as that happened, he walked away and started writing his resignation letter on his phone.

Days later, when details about Trump proposing a "pardons-for-lawbreaking scheme to his DHS lieutenants" were reported in the media

Gee, I wonder how that got out...

Taylor writes that a "vengeful" president denied it and "launched a wider purge, ridding DHS of officials who were seen as insufficiently MAGA."

Taylor stayed on under McAleenan, who became the acting Homeland Security secretary, until resigning in June that year.

"I remained for a few weeks to provide the thinnest sinew of an orderly transition," he writes.

Nielsen, remember her? confronted Trump directly on this very issue, and Trump fired her on the spot.

"Okay, why didn't they say anything about it?"

You know that's not defending Trump, right? "Why didn't someone say that the dictator I chose to follow was doing bad things?" Anyhow, he did. He wrote a giant famous OP ED in the NYTimes.

This one right here.

We had an entire thread on it. It went 19 pages. It included such lines as this one:

And it by definition isn't the Deep State when it's people the President hired.

So it seems as if yet an*BONK* ow! *thump*

"Hi, yes, it's me again. You may have noticed an increase in the 'Only Sane Man Left In The WH' reports. If you're wondering why they're coming out now, and not earlier, there's a good reason."

"The people who were involved, Taylor in this case, were hoping Trump would just give up and go home. That he would take the combination of his loss, and the upcoming indictments, as a reason to not run in 2024, or a reason to believe the RNC would push him out."

"That has not happened. It hasn't been happening for too long. These old-school Republicans who want their party back waited as long as they could for nature to take its course, so to speak, and when Trump only doubled down on not just running again to pardon himself, but also to become a dictator, purging the WH of nonpartisans and replacing them with his most dedicated followers, they decided enough was enough."

"Some of them, perhaps, were silent to try to preserve their political future. If Trump gave up the campaign trail after losing 2022, people like Pence, Barr, Christie and now Taylor could have re-integrated into the party they're blamed with letting get destroyed. They wouldn't be worried about Trump supporters coming after them for hurting Trump's 2024 chances if Trump had already taken care of that. So these people aren't all necessarily saints."

"But their public mobilization is very telling. These are not anonymous staffers or Reps, meeting journalists off the record over a high-priced lunch, venting about how horrible it was to willingly intentionally work with Trump. These are big names going in the open and being very clear about what they're trying to say."

"Losing didn't stop Trump. Being arrested didn't stop Trump. And DeSantis' campaign is falling apart. These Republicans are moving against Trump to save their party and their country, possibly not in that order."

"Now there's no chance Taylor intentionally timed the release of this book to coincide with Trump being warned he was a target. That's coincidence. But the last indictments only made Trump double down, so I doubt things would have changed much either way. Trump is wounded and cornered, and he thinks the only way out is through, by winning 2024, even as Biden's policies contiue to work, the attacks against Biden are low-energy and failing, and the news about Trump continues to be as negative as it is objective."

"Trump is no longer paranoid. The world really is out to get him. However, the world has good reason. Expect more bad news, including more evidence of more crimes, and expect more damning testimony in public, as his campaign continues to strangle what used to be the Grand Old Party."

...

"...I should probably go before he comes to."

[Paranoid Android]

I know we may have some possible good news but here is my warning.

Trump and Allies Forge Plans to Increase Presidential Power in 2025

Vide of Morning Joe is easier to digest: https://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/wa...t-188676677847

Umm I did a story on this like a year ago maybe so maybe not news, but reality here. In short Trump is going full authoritarian like anyone.

His plans are to gut every administration and appoint loyalist no matter qualifications. Once more this is my old story I posted long ago, but a classis move by any dictator of appointing a non-qualified person just as long as they are loyal. Oh imagine their ideology too. I'm sure someone working in HUD, if it survives, will keep in mind to equality for all.

Agencies like FCC and FTC will be under direct control of the President.

Trump want to impound funds. A practice of not spending on programs Congress has appropriated money for.

Strip employment protection from tens of thousands of civil servants.

The belief here is that under Article II the Presidential powers can be expanded for whatever. Don't be shocked I remember Bush, mainly Cheney was pushing this shit too. Party of SMALL government.

So I don't think this at all will be a reach or impossible move by Trump. Likely he will have the House, Senate and Supreme Court in 2024. Even if he say doesn't have the House they will push forward and the Dems being the biggest wussies every will just want to talk about it.

People really don't know how close to fascism we are and it will be done through what's left of our Constitutional Democracy in the next election and legislating.

[Myradin]

Yeah I heard about this last night and immediately remember all these quotes as old news.

I guess the new GoP version of small government is "everything obeys the president absolutely".

[Kaleredar]

Low. I think Trump would rather have the shiny shiny gold shiny ooooooooo than risk going into what would certainly be the black market.

EDIT: Also, how would you steal a bunch of Israel national treasures and not be aware of it? No, I'm calling bullshit on that one. He took them and he knows he has them.

Low. I think Trump would rather have the shiny shiny gold shiny ooooooooo than risk going into what would certainly be the black market.

EDIT: Also, how would you steal a bunch of Israel national treasures and not be aware of it? No, I'm calling bullshit on that one. He took them and he knows he has them.

I’m not so sure. Not because I don’t think trump wouldn’t do it, but Because I’d believe that it was being stored in the White House and when trump was ousted he said a blanket “wrap it all up, ship it to mar-a-largo” to everything there that want bolted down and when a White House aid said “Mr. Trump, what about these-” and then he cut them off saying “how dare you speak to me directly, do what I said.”

[Poopymonster]

I know we may have some possible good news but here is my warning.

Trump and Allies Forge Plans to Increase Presidential Power in 2025

Vide of Morning Joe is easier to digest: https://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/wa...t-188676677847

Umm I did a story on this like a year ago maybe so maybe not news, but reality here. In short Trump is going full authoritarian like anyone.

His plans are to gut every administration and appoint loyalist no matter qualifications. Once more this is my old story I posted long ago, but a classis move by any dictator of appointing a non-qualified person just as long as they are loyal. Oh imagine their ideology too. I'm sure someone working in HUD, if it survives, will keep in mind to equality for all.

Agencies like FCC and FTC will be under direct control of the President.

Trump want to impound funds. A practice of not spending on programs Congress has appropriated money for.

Strip employment protection from tens of thousands of civil servants.

The belief here is that under Article II the Presidential powers can be expanded for whatever. Don't be shocked I remember Bush, mainly Cheney was pushing this shit too. Party of SMALL government.

So I don't think this at all will be a reach or impossible move by Trump. Likely he will have the House, Senate and Supreme Court in 2024. Even if he say doesn't have the House they will push forward and the Dems being the biggest wussies every will just want to talk about it.

People really don't know how close to fascism we are and it will be done through what's left of our Constitutional Democracy in the next election and legislating.

Then when a Democrat wins, they revoke all that shit. It's worked in state legislatures, possibly as a test run in case they could pull it off.

[The Stormbringer]

Yeah I heard about this last night and immediately remember all these quotes as old news.

I guess the new GoP version of small government is "everything obeys the president absolutely".

Only if it's a Republican President, though. As soon as the Democrats (or given a series of miracles, a third party) win the seat, then it's back to doing everything in their power to be a nuisance and get in the President's way.

[ringpriest]

by the way, have we talked about how Trump stole a bunch of Israeli national treasures?

Because Trump stole a bunch of antiquities that Israel loaned to the White House before the pandemic and then just never gave them back and now they're in Florida at his club



the man is now an international thief!

Sooo... a businessman who pals around with Nazis stole a bunch of Jewish relics from the U.S. government?

[Edge-]

Sooo... a businessman who pals around with Nazis stole a bunch of Jewish relics from the U.S. government?

Invited Nazi's to dine at his club where he had the stolen Israeli artifacts*

we sure one of those two nazi's didn't walk off with them?

[Shadowferal]

I think I've seen this movie...