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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    His rhetoric at the rally in PA the other night was frightening. I can't believe people want this guy back in the White House. He's pretty much viewing everyone and everything as a potential enemy or spy looking to take him down.
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    Once again, it's time f--

    MAR-A-LAGO SECURITY TAPES WERE NOT DELETED. THEY WERE VOLUNTARILY HANDED OVER TO THE THUGS, HEADED UP BY DERANGED JACK SMITH

    WE DID NOT EVEN GO TO COURT TO STOP THEM FROM GETTING THESE TAPES. I NEVER TOLD ANYBODY TO DELETE THEM. PROSECUTORIAL FICTION & MISCONDUCT! ELECTION INTERFERENCE!
    Okay, the all caps kind of gives it away.

    Trump appears to at least partly telling the truth. I know, it surprised me, too. I cannot find any article that says Team Trump contested the subpoena of video footage. There are, of course, plenty of articles discussing how Trump was just deleting it, as this NYTimes article from May says.

    The prosecutors have sent separate subpoenas to the company seeking surveillance footage from Mar-a-Lago, people with knowledge of the matter said. The first such subpoena was issued last June, and since then, prosecutors have sent several more subpoenas for a wider array of footage, one person with knowledge of the matter said.

    The prosecutors appear to have sought the footage in order to get a clearer picture of the movement of the boxes of documents at Mar-a-Lago. But there were gaps in the footage, the person said, and the prosecutors have also been examining whether someone intentionally stopped the tape or if technological issues caused the gap.

    The prosecutors have also subpoenaed a software company that handles all of the surveillance footage for the Trump Organization, including at Mar-a-Lago, The New York Times previously reported.
    Trump seems to still be under the assumption that he can whine a court case, fuck, win a court case by just opening a window and screaming random things at passers-by. He also seems to be under the assumption that Agent Smith would make up complete fiction and attempt to get it to stick past reasonable doubt with no evidence. Or, he knows he's guilty and he's lying, which isn't any better. As the NYTimes articles plural I've cited say, Smith has an inside source who told him all about the deletion.

    Calling people mean names seems to be about all he has left anymore.

    As per usual, what Trump says in public is meaningless anyhow. Trump lies about everything all the time. What matters is what he says on the stand. And I just have this crazy feeling Trump will take the 5th another 400 times, and not actually say "No, I never ordered the tapes deleted" even once.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    His rhetoric at the rally in PA the other night was frightening.
    To be fair, a lot of seats were empty.

    Oh, not denying it was scary. But I've seen a fuller crowd at a Sound of Freedom screening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    I can't believe people want this guy back in the White House.
    Funny story: NBC News reached out to 44 members of Trump's Cabinet. They were all asked if they publicly support Trump in 2024.

    Only four said yes.

    Most refused to answer. Because if your options are "support violent felon being put in position to have nukes and order executions" vs "have insane cult members murder you" I'd refuse to answer, too.

    There are some public objections, of course. Barr, Mulvaney, and Esper for example. Pence and Haley are flat-out running against him.

    Those backing Trump's bid for another term include former acting Attorney General Matthew Whitaker; Mark Meadows, his final chief of staff; former budget chief Russell Vought; and former acting director of national intelligence Richard Grenell, who in June tweeted "Trump 2024" above a tweet from Trump's main GOP rival, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis.
    Everyone else opposes Trump, gave vague answers, or refused to answer entirely.

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    Trump appointed judge tosses Trump lawsuit against CNN.

    Yeah, when even a Trump-appointed judge refuses to take action against CNN, you know the lawsuit was baseless.

    Trump's lawyers said when they filed the suit in October that this term was associated with Nazi propaganda that was used in the persecution of Jewish people, but the Trump-appointed U.S. District Judge Raag Singha ruled this was not defamatory.

    "CNN's use of the phrase 'the Big Lie' in connection with Trump's election challenges does not give rise to a plausible inference that Trump advocates the persecution and genocide of Jews or any other group of people," Singha wrote in his decision in South Florida late Friday.

    "Being 'Hitler-like' is not a verifiable statement of fact that would support a defamation claim," the judge said. "CNN's statements while repugnant, were not, as a matter of law, defamatory."
    Trump's losses in court so dramatically outnumber his wins, you wonder why his lawyers even...oh, right. Millions upon millions of PAC money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    To be fair, a lot of seats were empty.

    Oh, not denying it was scary. But I've seen a fuller crowd at a Sound of Freedom screening.
    The replies are hilarious cope and reactionary "but DeSantis" rofl. They really can't do anything but react.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D Luniz View Post
    Id like @cubby to verify, but from what I keep reading on articles talking about it, it seems more a move to prevent it from progressing to discovery
    cause what ELSE do you think is in the Ghoul's communications around that time.
    and I doubt its a blue dress, not that his cousin would care anymore.
    That's how I see that and those other moves. While what Trump is facing now is bad, it seems whatever is lurking is even worse, and all knowledgeable parties think it's going to come out in discovery - hence all the delays and shenanigans.

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    CNN’s BS aside, the general point is true.

    https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/30/polit...-election-2024

    This country is an embarrassment. Trump should have no chance to win, and yet he could very well get a second term.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    CNN’s BS aside, the general point is true.

    https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/30/polit...-election-2024

    This country is an embarrassment. Trump should have no chance to win, and yet he could very well get a second term.
    The Republican party is basically America's long-bigoted "id" nowadays.

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    So while Trump, still raging about this being a partisan illegal investigation by a weaponized DoJ, floats the idea of locking up Agent Smith...no, really, he did that.

    They ought to throw Deranged Jack Smith and his Thug Prosecutors in jail.
    "For what crime?"

    He didn't say.

    "Who are 'they' that should do it?"

    He didn't say.

    "Does Trump understand that throwing someone in jail for investigating a crime is exactly the weaponization he's saying is happening, and also, far worse than anyone has ever said about anything Hunter Biden related?"

    Trump has rountinely demonstrated that he either lacks that self awareness to know that the act is wrong no matter who does it...or he's pushing his hypocrisy on his cult who he knows will back even the most contradictory plays. Doesn't matter.

    Anyway, while that's going on, all eyes should be on Georgia. Donald Trump's legal problems could be a whole lot worse.

    We know Trump is already looking that way but literally might not understand what he sees.

    Trump expressed dismay at sharing updates about his legal status with his wife, Melania. "It's always unpleasant when you have to go in and tell your wife that, 'By the way, tomorrow sometime I'm going to be indicted,'" Trump said during a Friday radio interview. "And she says, 'For what?' And I say, 'I have no idea. I have absolutely no idea,'" he added.

    Fredericks also asked Trump how his family was doing amid the barrage of legal battles the ex-president finds himself mired in. "Well, I try to keep them shielded and out of it," Trump said. "I just stay away from the standpoint of this."
    "Who's that?"

    Donald Trump, the orange fatass who--

    "No no, who's Fredericks?"

    Oh, he's a conservative radio host. If you're not familiar with the name, that's fine, but I have a piece you could read. He's made on appearance on PolitiFact, he lied that

    Now we find out that every one of these illegals who came into this country illegally, that worked illegally, broke the law a number of times, now they can be eligible for up to $36,000 to $38,000 in earned income tax credits without paying a dime in.
    For more on that, ask the 42 people who rated his show on Apple. Yes, 42, as in "not quite four dozen".

    So, no wonder he was thrilled to have Trump on his show.

    For the record, of course, I think it's an objective lie that (a) Trump doesn't know why he's being indicted, his lawyers must have told him which charges by now, and (b) that Melania somehow didn't know. We know Melania reads the news, she was "livid" that Team Trump didn't fight harder in the "my husband sexually assaulted someone and now I'm out five million dollars" case. So Trump is making shit up like, somehow, neither he nor his wife somehow reads headlines or talks to any of their remaining lawyers.

    Lindsey Graham is likely watching too, since--

    "Wait a minute. Did you quote queerty.com on purpose to make a subtle joke about Graham's sexual identity?"

    Actually no, they were just the source that came up. Graham's straight, I know because I bang his wife. Graham has not received a target letter or anything, but we all know he also called election officials in a state that wasn't his own to--

    "It doesn't matter which state. Senators have no input into how even their own state runs elections."

    Fine. Anyhow, while Graham has cooperated so far, including some testimony. But we know Trump's looking at possible racketeering charges, which often suggest multiple people involved. Graham calling Georgia at the behest of Donald Trump would qualify as conspiracy. And, again, Graham calling for any reason counts as somewhere between "useless" and "we never heard what he said, did we?"

    Trump is in real trouble in Georgia. We all knew Georgia already suggested charges would be announced in August, which starts in six hours. Trump lost what is likely his last chance to block the indictment.

    A Georgia judge on Monday rejected former U.S. President Donald Trump's bid to quash an investigation into whether he illegally interfered with the state's 2020 election, just days before criminal charges are expected to be filed.

    Fulton County Superior Court Judge Robert McBurney denied Trump's request to disqualify the lead prosecutor, block any potential indictments and throw out a special grand jury report that included recommendations on whom to charge.
    "On what grounds?"

    On the grounds of "Trump has no grounds, this is fucking stupid and he's lucky I don't sanction his lawyers".

    In his nine-page decision, McBurney said Trump's bid to block the probe was premature, given that no charges had yet been filed, and that he would have ample opportunity to challenge the propriety of the investigation if and when he faces an indictment.

    McBurney also said Trump had not shown Willis had acted in a biased fashion, despite granting press interviews and tweeting about the case.

    "The drumbeat from the district attorney has been neither partisan (in the political sense) nor personal, in marked and refreshing contrast to the stream of personal invective flowing from one of the movants," he wrote.
    Oh snap, Trump's many public statements seem to be coming back to bite him in the ass. Which, to be fair, could take a while.

    This AP News article is a pretty good summary of how we got this far and what could happen next. If you've fallen behind, read that. I will quote the end, only because it reminded me of something that hasn't come up recently.

    U.S. Attorney BJay Pak, the top federal prosecutor in Atlanta, abruptly resigned two days after Trump called Raffensperger and a day after a recording of that call was made public. During that conversation, Trump called Pak a “never-Trumper,” implying that he didn’t support the president.

    In December 2020, then-U.S. Attorney General William Barr asked Pak to investigate allegations by Giuliani and other Trump allies of widespread election fraud. Pak, who had been appointed by Trump in 2017, reported back that he had found no evidence of such fraud.

    In August 2021, Pak told the U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee, which was investigating Trump’s post-election actions, that he resigned on Jan. 4, 2021, after learning from Department of Justice officials that Trump did not believe enough was being done to investigate allegations of election fraud and wanted him gone as U.S. attorney.
    I think that it's very realistic that this federal prosecutor has no reason to hide what Trump did from either Willis or Smith, and if anything, may have volunteered evidence of Trump's direct orders.

    The rest of the article is the famous phone call, Powell breaking into voting machines, etc etc.

    Naturally, Trump is responding the only way he knows how: by attacking everyone who isn't Trump.

    At the increasingly apt Erie rally, Trump called on his opponents to stop attacking him, and in fact, drop out of the race.

    “Every dollar spent attacking me by Republicans is a dollar given straight to the Biden campaign,” Trump said at a rally in Erie, Pennsylvania, on Saturday night.

    Trump said it was time for Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis and others he dismissed as “clowns” to clear the field, accusing them of “wasting hundreds of millions of dollars that Republicans should be using to build a massive vote-gathering operation” to take on Biden in November.

    Trump, who was impeached twice while in office, said Saturday that, “The biggest complaint that I get is that the Republicans find out this information and then they do nothing about it."

    “Any Republican that doesn't act on Democrat fraud should be immediately primaries and get out — out!” he told the crowd to loud applause. “They have to play tough and ... if they’re not willing to do it, we got a lot of good, tough Republicans around ... and they're going to get my endorsement every singe time.”
    "What fraud?"

    To him, everything he doesn't like is fake, a hoax, or a fraud. He could literally be talking about vegetable soup.

    "What's Trump's endorsement track record?"

    According to 2018, 2020, and 2022, not great.

    "Um...couldn't Republicans still build that machine without Trump?"

    Well, Trump wouldn't back it, so in his mind, no. Only he can do it.

    "Is the GOP concerned about losing Trump's campaign money?"

    They shouldn't be. They know Trump keeps all that shit for himself. That's already a lost cause.

    "Why put all their money into the one candidate facing what could literally be one hundred felony charges?"

    Well, because Trump doesn't want to go to jail for all those crimes he committed.

    "Okay, but I meant from the RNC's perspective. Surely the Republican Party knows this is a bad idea."

    Trump is incapable of grasping that. He's a sociopathic narcisist. Anyone who doesn't back him 100% is disloyal and demented. As quoted earlier in this post, he thinks people will believe he doesn't know what crimes he's facing.

    Trump's legal fees being taken directly from his PAC is now flat-out written on his PAC. In theory, some of it will go to the legal fees of Trump employees, but I think that's a lie. Trump isn't paying the legal fees of anyone but Trump, if for no other reason, his co-conspirators are likely turning on him. I mean, Nauta has his own lawyer.

    Kinda.

    He was represented at the hearing by Sasha Dadan, 34, a Fort Pierce attorney with no known experience in federal court cases who ran a failed GOP campaign for state Assembly in 2018.

    Nauta’s hearing took barely five minutes.

    Dadan, a former public defender, touts her bustling practice concentrating on drunk driving and relatively minor criminal matters.

    One tweet from her firm features a Barbie doll with smeared make-up that appears to appeal to potential clients who may have wound up in a brawl.
    A while ago, I suggested the Mar-a-Lago raid was the starter's pistol. I didn't think it would be a fucking machine gun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    CNN’s BS aside, the general point is true.

    https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/30/polit...-election-2024

    This country is an embarrassment. Trump should have no chance to win, and yet he could very well get a second term.
    The polling is pretty fucking depressing.

    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...-general/2024/

    Harris lose to Trump and Biden is winning within the margin of error.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    The polling is pretty fucking depressing.

    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...-general/2024/

    Harris lose to Trump and Biden is winning within the margin of error.
    On the bright side, the polls had conservatives outnumbering non-conservatives. "Independents" are mostly conservatives by another name. You can also tell the polls have a conservative demographic lean when the ethnicity spread far more heavily weighted towards whites against minority ethniticies than the overall population census.
    "My successes are my own, but my failures are due to extremist leftist liberals" - Party of Personal Responsibility

    Prediction for the future

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    Potential indictment of Graham would make my week...I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    Potential indictment of Graham would make my week...I think.
    I'm thinking Rico isn't just the pool boy.
    Not for the Mrs.
    She's busy up in New York.
    Quote Originally Posted by Crissi View Post
    Quit using other posters as levels of crazy. That is not ok


    If you look, you can see the straw man walking a red herring up a slippery slope coming to join this conversation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopymonster View Post
    She's busy up in New York.
    Insatiable.

    On topic: you know how Trump is crossing some unethical lines by taking PAC money and paying his lawyers with it?

    Not to worry. Some Republicans are just paying them directly now.

    Trump allies, led by longtime Trump adviser Michael Glassner, are creating a new legal defense fund, according to a person with direct knowledge of the plans.

    The group will be called the Patriot Legal Defense Fund Inc., and its focus will be on paying legal bills not for Trump and his family, but for Trump's allies and staffers. The group's creation comes as the former president and some of his associates are embroiled in multiple criminal investigations and cases.

    The group is not a part of the Trump 2024 campaign and is separate from Trump's leadership PAC, Save America, which has already spent over $40 million on legal fees for Trump and associates so far this year. Save America doesn't offer a breakdown of how much has been spent on any individual, or which investigations are involved.

    Earlier this year, the Trump campaign noted in fine print that it was increasing the percentage of supporters' donations it sent to Trump's Save America PAC from 1% to 10%, as the New York Times first reported in June — a signal of how expensive Trump world expects these legal fights to be.
    That bolded, tho.

    Yes, the GOP is continuing to use "Patriot's Patriotism Patriots Who Love America Patriotically" to paint over the fact they're directly funding someone about to be charged with his one hundredth felony, most of which are crimes he committed from his time in government and trying to remain in government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PosPosPos View Post
    On the bright side, the polls had conservatives outnumbering non-conservatives. "Independents" are mostly conservatives by another name. You can also tell the polls have a conservative demographic lean when the ethnicity spread far more heavily weighted towards whites against minority ethniticies than the overall population census.
    There's a book title I am always fond of "Everything Trump touches dies, few are spared" and the guy has effectively killed morality in American politics. Here is a guy who is getting indicted left and right, is a rapist due to his lost in court among trying to overthrow democracy and he still has a shot at being president. Even if Trump loses American politics will forever carry the stench of his presence.

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    Rolling Stone reports that Trump suspects Meadows is a traitor, turning against him.

    "On what grounds?"

    That he hasn't said anything. Trump needs constant validation from everyone he knows. Meadows hasn't faced towards Trump Tower five times a day, therefore, he must be a traitor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    "A discovery hearing is set in federal court in Miami Wednesday in the former president's $500 million lawsuit against his former lawyer, Michael Cohen. Sources say that Trump is expected to be subpoenaed to testify in the case, and that as the plaintiff he cannot legally avoid giving a deposition."

    Considering what this case is about -- Cohen saying things about the crimes he committed both for and with Trump -- his testimony under oath will address exactly that issue.
    UPDATE: Trump has been called to sit for a deposition in September as part of his lawsuit seeking $500 million from his former attorney Michael Cohen.

    As I posted earlier, Trump can't refuse. He's the plaintiff. You can't say "this man owes me money, but I'm not telling you how or why". If he didn't want to go on the stand, he shouldn't have sued Cohen.

    After that, you know the deal. Trump must prove that Cohen objectively, intentionally lied, and he suffered $500 million in damages from that. I...don't see that happening. More to the point, if you look back at what Cohen's been saying, and how Trump's net worth has been dropping regardless (he's a horrible businessman) this risk he takes by putting himself on the stand seems to outweigh whatever little he might squeeze back.

    And let's not forget, Trump's lawyers are already kinda busy.

    I think Trump will drop the case. If anyone knows when Trump is bluffing with a lawsuit, it's Cohen. And Cohen's (effective) subpoena is calling Trump out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Yes, the GOP is continuing to use "Patriot's Patriotism Patriots Who Love America Patriotically" to paint over the fact they're directly funding someone about to be charged with his one hundredth felony, most of which are crimes he committed from his time in government and trying to remain in government.
    Can't they just sell more NFTs?
    “There you stand, the good man doing nothing. And while evil triumphs, and your rigid pacifism crumbles to blood stained dust, the only victory afforded to you is that you stuck true to your guns.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mekh View Post
    Can't they just sell more NFTs?
    Funny story: no.

    One, the last batch doesn't seem to be doing so great. Yes, Trump already got his money from the original sale, but their new low value suggests the market is flooded. They hit a record low a couple months ago, and while they did recover, their brief-ass existence has shown nothing but a consistent decline in value and volume. The public is simply not asking for more.

    Two, Melania released NFTs a couple weeks ago and got in trouble with NASA.

    On July 20, Melania released a new batch of NFTs with the theme of Apollo 11. The NFTs feature the classic image of astronaut Buzz Aldrin walking on the surface of the moon, and are being sold for around $75 each through the USA Memorabilia shows she’s collaborated with multiple times in the past.

    What may have seemed like a harmless venture, an homage to American history, is actually a big No-No. While NASA has released a lot of its photos into the uncopyrighted sphere under the guise of educational purposes, they actually have a rule about using them for NFTs.

    In a document from their website, NASA explicitly explained how the imagery can’t be used for business purposes, unless it meets certain requirements. It says: “NASA is not approving any merchandising applications involving Non-Fungible Tokens (NFTs), as they are not consistent with the categories of products the agency is approved to merchandise,” the document reads. Further, as stated in the NASA Media Usage Guidelines, NASA does not wish for its images to be used in connection with NFTs.”
    Three, Trump's NFTS quickly rose in value, but like DWAC stock, they had a required initial cost. The price only goes up later when they're dropped on the market. Even if they were hot items (and they're not), Trump's actualy payoff is capped.

    And four, the only real selling point of Trump NFTs was their novelty. You can't flood the market with something that's selling because it's new and different. Well I mean, you can, but don't expect it to do well.

    I guess to answer your question: if Trump could have easily made money by selling more NFTs, why hasn't he? I posit it's because he's waiting for a while to hope market demand rises, probably because he's being dragged away in handcuffs, then taking advantage of "there's no such thing as bad press" and get more free cash. I think he made about $50 million last time, which seems to be about what he's taking from political donations and using for himself. I don't think he can make another $50 million doing that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Funny story: no.

    One, the last batch doesn't seem to be doing so great. Yes, Trump already got his money from the original sale, but their new low value suggests the market is flooded. They hit a record low a couple months ago, and while they did recover, their brief-ass existence has shown nothing but a consistent decline in value and volume. The public is simply not asking for more.

    Two, Melania released NFTs a couple weeks ago and got in trouble with NASA.



    Three, Trump's NFTS quickly rose in value, but like DWAC stock, they had a required initial cost. The price only goes up later when they're dropped on the market. Even if they were hot items (and they're not), Trump's actualy payoff is capped.

    And four, the only real selling point of Trump NFTs was their novelty. You can't flood the market with something that's selling because it's new and different. Well I mean, you can, but don't expect it to do well.

    I guess to answer your question: if Trump could have easily made money by selling more NFTs, why hasn't he? I posit it's because he's waiting for a while to hope market demand rises, probably because he's being dragged away in handcuffs, then taking advantage of "there's no such thing as bad press" and get more free cash. I think he made about $50 million last time, which seems to be about what he's taking from political donations and using for himself. I don't think he can make another $50 million doing that.
    I just enjoy shitposting about the bestest business man, but you as usual rose to the occasion with hilarious facts and commentary. I also enjoy the deafening silence from our pro-Republican posters lately as their ice floe of legitimacy shrinks by the day.
    “There you stand, the good man doing nothing. And while evil triumphs, and your rigid pacifism crumbles to blood stained dust, the only victory afforded to you is that you stuck true to your guns.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mekh View Post
    I just enjoy shitposting about the bestest business man, but you as usual rose to the occasion with hilarious facts and commentary. I also enjoy the deafening silence from our pro-Republican posters lately as their ice floe of legitimacy shrinks by the day.
    But they don't believe in Climate Change, and therefore, their floe isn't melting. And if it is, then it will just regrow back to full size in the winter, just like that one graph that Ben Shapiro showed regarding the Antarctic ice sheet, where he totally didn't show just the very very end of a much larger dooming graph.

    Also, I am really starting to hate the fact that Trump's claim that he could shoot someone dead on 5th avenue in broad daylight and still become president might actually be an entirely true statement

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    https://apnews.com/article/trump-ind...e2dace01feccdc

    And another criminal indictment added to Trump's collection!

    Donald Trump was charged Tuesday in a Justice Department investigation into his efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election in the run-up to the violent riot by his supporters at the U.S. Capitol.

    The charges include conspiracy to defraud the United States government and witness tampering.

    The indictment, the third criminal case brought against the former president as he seeks to reclaim the White House in 2024, follows a long-running federal investigation into schemes by Trump and his allies to subvert the peaceful transfer of power and keep him in office despite a decisive loss to Joe Biden.

    Even in a year of rapid-succession legal reckonings for Trump, Tuesday’s criminal case was especially stunning in its allegations that a former president assaulted the underpinnings of democracy in a frantic and ultimately failed effort to cling to power.

    Federal prosecutors say Donald Trump was “determined to remain in power” in conspiracies that targeted a “bedrock function of the United States federal government: the nation’s process of collecting, counting and certifying the results of the presidential election.”

    Trump is due in court on Thursday before U.S. District Judge Tanya Chutkan.

    The criminal case comes while Trump leads the field of Republicans vying to capture their party’s presidential nomination. It is sure to be dismissed by the former president and his supporters — and even some of his rivals — as just another politically motivated prosecution. Yet the charges stem from one of the most serious threats to American democracy in modern history.

    They focus on the turbulent two months after the November 2020 election in which Trump refused to accept his loss and spread lies that victory was stolen from him. The turmoil resulted in the U.S. Capitol riot on Jan. 6, 2021, when Trump loyalists violently broke into the building, attacked police officers and disrupted the congressional counting of electoral votes.

    In between the election and the riot, Trump urged local election officials to undo voting results in their states, pressured former Vice President Mike Pence to halt the certification of electoral votes and falsely claimed that the election had been stolen — a notion repeatedly rejected by judges.

    The indictment had been expected since Trump said in mid-July that the Justice Department informed him he was a target of its long-running Jan. 6 investigation. A bipartisan House committee that spent months investigating the run-up to the Capitol riot also recommended prosecuting Trump on charges, including aiding an insurrection and obstructing an official proceeding.

    The mounting criminal cases against Trump — not to mention multiple civil cases — are unfolding in the heat of the 2024 race. A conviction in this case, or any other, would not prevent Trump from pursuing the White House or serving as president.

    In New York, state prosecutors have charged Trump with falsifying business records about a hush money payoff to a porn actor before the 2016 election. The trial begins in late March.

    In Florida, the Justice Department has brought more than three dozen felony counts against Trump accusing him of illegally possessing classified documents after leaving the White House and concealing them from the government. The trial begins in late May.

    The latest federal indictment against Trump focuses heavily on actions taken in Washington, and the trial will be held there, in a courthouse located between the White House he once occupied and the Capitol his supporters once stormed. No trial date has been set.

    Prosecutors in Georgia are investigating efforts by Trump and his allies to reverse his election loss to Biden there in 2020. The district attorney of Fulton County is expected to announce a decision on whether to indict the former president in early August.

    The investigation of Trump’s efforts to overturn the 2020 election was led by Justice Department special counsel Jack Smith. His team of prosecutors has questioned senior Trump administration officials before a grand jury in Washington, including Pence and top lawyers from the Trump White House.

    Rudy Giuliani, a Trump lawyer who pursued post-election legal challenges, spoke voluntarily to prosecutors as part of a proffer agreement, in which a person’s statements can’t be used against them in any future criminal case that is brought.

    Prosecutors also interviewed election officials in Georgia, Wisconsin, Michigan and elsewhere who came under pressure from Trump and his associates to change voting results in states won by Biden, a Democrat.

    Focal points of the Justice Department’s election meddling investigation included the role played by some of Trump’s lawyers, post-election fundraising, a chaotic December 2020 meeting at the White House in which some Trump aides discussed the possibility of seizing voting machines and the enlistment of fake electors to submit certificates to the National Archives and Congress falsely asserting that Trump, not Biden, had won their states’ votes.

    Trump has been trying to use the mounting legal troubles to his political advantage, claiming without evidence on social media and at public events that the cases are being driven by Democratic prosecutors out to hurt his 2024 election campaign.

    The indictments have helped his campaign raise millions of dollars from supporters, though he raised less after the second than the first, raising questions about whether subsequent charges will have the same impact.

    A fundraising committee backing Trump’s candidacy began soliciting contributions just hours after the ex-president revealed he was the focus of the Justice Department’s Jan. 6 investigation, casting it as “just another vicious act of Election Interference on behalf of the Deep State to try and stop the Silent Majority from having a voice in your own country.”

    Attorney General Merrick Garland last year appointed Smith, an international war crimes prosecutor who also led the Justice Department’s public corruption section, as special counsel to investigate efforts to undo the 2020 election and Trump’s retention of hundreds of classified documents at his Palm Beach, Florida, home, Mar-a-Lago. Although Trump has derided him as “deranged” and suggested that he is politically motivated, Smith’s past experience includes overseeing significant prosecutions against high-profile Democrats.

    The Justice Department’s investigation into the efforts to overturn the 2020 election began well before Smith’s appointment, proceeding alongside separate criminal probes into the Jan. 6 rioters themselves.

    More than 1,000 people have been charged in connection with the insurrection, including some with seditious conspiracy.
    I think Republicans can safely claim the mantle of, "The most criminal party in America, ever." at this point. Nixon helped a bit, but really there's just absolutely nobody that can compare to Trump.

    Expect the: THIS IS TO DISTRACT FROM THE DAMAGING INFORMATION ABOUT HUNTER BIDEN bullshit because of the timing. No, it has nothing to do with that because that's a nothingberder just as the laptop was a nothingberder and Burisma was a nothingberder and last I recall the start witness Republicans had on this topic got charged with arms trafficking and violating sanctions and had to get arrested in Cyprus.

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    Damnit, ninja'd.

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