Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Edge-]

https://www.mediaite.com/podcasts/jo...s-really-like/

Oh boy, I'm looking forward to totally-not-fringe-rightwing-nutjob Joe Rogan, who just recently showed support for Kari Lake's conspiracy theories about voter fraud, to have Trump on so Trump can tell him about the very real DEEP STATE.

Just a reminder that Joe Rogan is a fucking idiot fringe right winger and yes you should be instantly suspicious and judgmental of anyone that still voluntarily listens to the show, or has done so in recent years.

[Breccia]

Oh boy, I'm looking forward to totally-not-fringe-rightwing-nutjob Joe Rogan, who just recently showed support for Kari Lake's conspiracy theories about voter fraud, to have Trump on so Trump can tell him about the very real DEEP STATE.

This is a significant departure. Joe Rogan had refused the idea as recently as last year.

And as recently as last week.

Rogan has stated in the past that he wouldn’t ever want to give Trump the powerful platform of his podcast, and it appears that he still feels that way even after Trump and his team tried to work out a deal.

Joe Rogan shared his thought in detail on an episode of the Lex Fridman Podcast (lots of podcasts, try to keep up) when the topic of the 45th President came up.

Rogan cleared the air and stated

By the way, I’m not a Trump supporter, in any way, shape, or form. I’ve had the opportunity to have him on my show more than once. I’ve said no, every time.

I don’t want to help him. I’m not interested in helping him.

Like many people who claim to be Republicans but are really just anti-Democrat and more recently anti-democracy, Rogan might be doing this because he feels Trump, facing at least four indictments and multiple lawsuits, has the best chance to beat President Joe Biden, the man fixing the world's largest economy while drinking Dark Roast coffee.

Or, Rogan could have simply been handed a large amount of money.

Or...Rogan could be trying to screw Trump over on live TV. Er, close enough. If Rogan really does feel he doesn't want to help Trump, and instead wants a classic conservative in play, he might ask Trump direct, harsh questions like "So if it was nice and bigly and yuge that you took all those documents because they were yours, why did you hide them?"

Place your bets. As fun as #3 would be, it's the dark roast. Er, dark horse.

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Trump, sobbing and mascara running, begs SCOTUS to save him from the consequences of his actions.

I am leading in all Polls, including against Crooked Joe, but this is not a level playing field. It is Election Interference, & the Supreme Court must intercede. MAGA!

To the best of my knowledge, SCOTUS can't jump into a case just because they feel like it. While anything involving Trump's legal situation will likely be appealed that far regardless, begging for help now seems pointless. Well not completely pointless, it shows that Trump knows he has no case and he's terrified.

In a related story, streets around the Atlanta courthouse are being closed for a week. But I'm sure that's just a coincidence.

[Cthulhu 2020]

What absolutely, completely blows my mind is that Trump is neck and neck with Biden in the polls. Hillary had a healthy lead on Trump throughout most of election season until Comey opened and then reopened his investigation into her. AN INVESTIGATION. We're already at the point where Trump is facing indictment and probably jail time, but he's shoring up solid right wing support.

[Breccia]

Hillary had a healthy lead on Trump throughout most of election season until Comey opened and then reopened his investigation into her. AN INVESTIGATION.

I’ll tell you one other thing: she shouldn’t be allowed to run. She’s guilty of a very, very serious crime. She should not be allowed to run. And just in that respect, I say it’s rigged, because she should never have been allowed to run for the presidency based on what she did with e-mails and so many other things.

-- Donald Trump

By the way, in a related story, PolitiFact looked into the claim that U.S. District Court Judge Tanya S. Chutkan is the only judge to hand Jan 6th defendants...no, wait. Jan 6th murderous terrorists longer sentences than were asked for.

The claim is False. So did a bunch of others.

There is no push railroad Trump with the only judge who hates him. The justice system hates him. He's a criminal. It'd be odd if it didn't.

[unfilteredJW]

Good luck with that since they can't help themselves replying to it.

Nice high horse, but here you are adding to it.

[Breccia]

A judge telling the defendant "Also stop committing crimes and no jury tampering" is unusual. And the implication seems to be that this judge already knows about Trump's bullshit and will have none of that, please.

(a few moments later)

UPDATE:

IF YOU GO AFTER ME, I’M COMING AFTER YOU!

-- very stable genius, aka "the defendant"

Smith, of course, immediately filed for a gag order under the legal prescedent of "Your Honor, you know this man is Donald Trump, right?"

Smith argued that Trump’s case needs a strict order preventing Trump from mentioning details from discovery documents and evidence in public.

“Such a restriction is particularly important in this case because the defendant has previously issued public statements on social media regarding witnesses, judges, attorneys, and others associated with legal matters pending against him,” Smith wrote in the filing.

“If the defendant were to begin issuing public posts using details — or, for example, grand jury transcripts — obtained in discovery here, it could have a harmful chilling effect on witnesses or adversely affect the fair administration of justice in this case,” he added.

Prosecutors claimed the attempts to reach an agreement on a protective order with Trump’s legal team have been fruitless, and have prevented the prosecution from supplying documents to the defense as quickly as they would like.

“The government seeks to provide the defendant with discovery as soon as possible, including certain discovery to which the defendant is not entitled at this stage of the proceedings,” Smith wrote.

Everyone here knows Trump is either incapable of controlling himself, or just as bad, told by a judge he needs to control himself and just choosing not to. If the judge goes as far as a gag order, which based on Trump's proven public history would be valid, Trump will break it. I wonder how much the fine is for threatening witnesses twice in a row?

[Edge-]

What will Trump do if they take away his phone and tell the secret service that they can't lend him theirs?

[Dontrike]

What absolutely, completely blows my mind is that Trump is neck and neck with Biden in the polls. Hillary had a healthy lead on Trump throughout most of election season until Comey opened and then reopened his investigation into her. AN INVESTIGATION. We're already at the point where Trump is facing indictment and probably jail time, but he's shoring up solid right wing support.

That's what happens with a cult of any kind. When a church has a reverend under investigation for touching kids they tend to support the pedophile more and attack the victims, and with Trump it's quite similar. Instead of "seeing the light" of the truth MAGAts would rather put their head in the sand further so their small little world isn't destroyed.

They cannot fathom that the man that they've attached their entire personality to is a myriad of terrible things, including conman, rapist, racist, fascist, and just a plan bad businessman, and that the last X years of them devoted to praying to him and destroying nearly every facet of their social lives was all nothing. They are incapable of such things.

[Breccia]

What will Trump do if they take away his phone and tell the secret service that they can't lend him theirs?

This is a tough one. I don't know that even a rightfully irate judge would take Trump's phone, but Trump was already warned, so warning Trump again and nothing else feels too weak.

So honestly, the DOJ's request for a gag order seems like it'd thread the uprights. Probably with a very specific set of directions and a very specific set of consequences. "If you discuss the case or anyone involved on social media again, it will cost you $100,000" or some such. A normal person would be in jail for contempt of court, but let's face it, if Trump was going to be put in jail for contempt it would have happened by now.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Here's to hope that tRump finally faces consequences for his action. We all know that his entire life he's used intimidation, threats, and legal blockage to never be punished for anything, ever. He orders his lawyers to file motions that delay trials indefinitely, making anyone who sues him have to pay enormous legal fees just to keep the trials going. We know this guy has a strategy of intimidation an obfuscation, and finally just delay delay delay.

Hoping he finally is held responsible, and the find out part comes swiftly. May he rot in prison for the rest of his life, and may his supporters weep and wail and inevitably compare him to Jesus being nailed to the cross.

[Shadowferal]

What will Trump do if they take away his phone and tell the secret service that they can't lend him theirs?

[Dontrike]

An Eastman interview recently released and he went full support for the insurrection.

In an interview released on Thursday, John Eastman restated that he’s an unreconstructed believer that the 2020 election was stolen by the left.

Chairman of the Claremont Institute’s Board of Directors Tom Klingenstein conducted the interview, which was released in three parts, the last of which was published on Thursday.

Klingenstein asked Eastman whether he would have acted in the same way in 1960 as he did in 2020, referencing the belief on the right that John F. Kennedy stole that year’s election from Richard Nixon.

Eastman replied no, and added that the stakes of 2020 represented an “existential threat to the very survivability, not just of our nation, but of the example that our nation, properly understood, provides to the world.”

The Trump 2020 lawyer went on to reference the Declaration of Independence, saying that “our founders lay this case out.”

“There’s actually a provision in the Declaration of Independence that a people will suffer abuses while they remain sufferable, tolerable while they remain tolerable,” he said. “At some point abuses become so intolerable that it becomes not only their right but their duty to alter or abolish the existing government.”

“So that’s the question,” he added. “Have the abuses or the threat of abuses become so intolerable that we have to be willing to push back?”

The interview was recorded before Special Counsel Jack Smith charged President Trump with four counts related to his efforts to reverse the 2020 election. Though Eastman does not appear in the indictment by name, his attorney confirmed to multiple media outlets that the document refers to him as “Co-Conspirator 2.”

Eastman has not been charged with a crime, and his lawyer said last month that he planned to send a letter to state and federal officials investigating Jan. 6 explaining that Eastman committed no crimes.

Eastman made the stunning remarks, which appear to repeat the suggestion that overthrowing the government is a legitimate means to stop what Eastman described as “the modern left wing,” in the last of a series of interviews with Klingenstein. Part one, published in June, addresses Eastman’s belief that the election was stolen. Part two covers what Eastman saw as the legal remedy, while part three asks, as Klingenstein put it, “should you and the president have pursued that legal remedy?”

Eastman said in the interview that his own actions and statements during the run-up to January 6 had been mischaracterized, and at one point claimed that Trump himself read a series of academic law review articles about the Electoral Count Act to brush up on the relevant law.

But it’s the threat that Eastman sees the left as posing which runs through the interview. He at one point describes it broadly as an attempt to “completely repudiate every one of our founding principles,” and in more detail as an attack on everything from sexual and gender norms to gas stoves. He warns of “OSHA telling me what kind of chair I can have in my home office.”

Eastman dropped specific claims of voter fraud in the third interview, and instead pivoted to claims that government agencies had worked to thwart the 2020 election and would do the same in 2024. He cited the Twitter Files, as well as claims that the intelligence suppressed information about Hunter Biden’s laptop.

“If those are the stakes, what are you supposed to do?” he asked. “Sit around and twiddle your thumbs?”

Nothing like using two debunked conspiracies in order to create a conspiracy to fuck the country.

[Gorsameth]

An Eastman interview recently released and he went full support for the insurrection.



Nothing like using debunked two conspiracies in order to create a conspiracy to fuck the country.

I look forward to the day that he discovers he is not a former President and that the law will not go as easy on him.

[Paranoid Android]

An Eastman interview recently released and he went full support for the insurrection.



Nothing like using two debunked conspiracies in order to create a conspiracy to fuck the country.

I mean Eastman was the architect. Clearly the guy you thought out the whole scenario. Smartly if you want to put it this way was him trying the Electoral voter angle. Try to get the votes kicked backed to states. Have new electors ready cause there was a "Just in case" this happens you need to have them. Then the false electors or at least electors loyal to Trump they were going to go against the state vote, I guess citing those voters were not legit.

Yea, this dude was the competent one Giuliani and Powell especially the crazies. He was a constitutional scholar whatever that means.

[Breccia]

Man, I hope the government does the same thing in 2024. Free and fair elections are what this country's supposed to be about.

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If you took the five worst presidents in the history of the United States and added them up, they would not have done near the destruction to our country as crooked Joe Biden and the Biden administration have done.

He [Joe Biden] shouldn’t be allowed to be the president. And the Republicans better get tough and they better get smart because most of them look like a bunch of weak jerks right now. And you got to get tough and smart and you have to fight fire with fire. You can’t allow this to go on.

-- Donald Trump, post-indictment rally

"What destruction has Biden done that compares to the Great Depression plus the Civil War?"

He didn't say. I don't think there's anything he could say to back that claim, honestly. It's not even hyperbole, he's just lying.

"Why shouldn't Biden be allowed to be President?"

Because his son's under investigation.

"...Trump does know he's been arrested, right?"

Well he claims he's innocent, so of course, that means it's okay when he does it.

"Um...'fight fire with fire'?"

Trump is claiming the crimes he's charged with are all fake news hoax bigly rigged JOBS! So the implication seems to be that Republicans/SCOTUS should also make up crimes and charge Biden with those made-up crimes. He might possibly be suggesting to charge Biden with real crimes, problem is he never said which crimes Biden broke.

So yeah, he's terrified and screaming for help.

[Odinfrost]

Man, I hope the government does the same thing in 2024. Free and fair elections are what this country's supposed to be about.

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-- Donald Trump, post-indictment rally

"What destruction has Biden done that compares to the Great Depression plus the Civil War?"

He didn't say. I don't think there's anything he could say to back that claim, honestly. It's not even hyperbole, he's just lying.

"Why shouldn't Biden be allowed to be President?"

Because his son's under investigation.

"...Trump does know he's been arrested, right?"

Well he claims he's innocent, so of course, that means it's okay when he does it.

"Um...'fight fire with fire'?"

Trump is claiming the crimes he's charged with are all fake news hoax bigly rigged JOBS! So the implication seems to be that Republicans/SCOTUS should also make up crimes and charge Biden with those made-up crimes. He might possibly be suggesting to charge Biden with real crimes, problem is he never said which crimes Biden broke.

So yeah, he's terrified and screaming for help.

God fucking, I am so done with his fucking hypocrisy!

"I should not be criminally investigated because it's gonna affect the election, regardless of if I've done it or not.
Also, ban the democrats from running for crimes they haven't done."

SHOULD YOU, OR SHOULD YOU NOT BE ABLE TO RUN, REGARDLESS OF CRIMINAL CHARGES, YOU!!! Does best to not continue sentence to avoid an infraction.

Man is seriously getting me angry...

[The Stormbringer]

https://www.mediaite.com/podcasts/jo...s-really-like/

Oh boy, I'm looking forward to totally-not-fringe-rightwing-nutjob Joe Rogan, who just recently showed support for Kari Lake's conspiracy theories about voter fraud, to have Trump on so Trump can tell him about the very real DEEP STATE.

Just a reminder that Joe Rogan is a fucking idiot fringe right winger and yes you should be instantly suspicious and judgmental of anyone that still voluntarily listens to the show, or has done so in recent years.

I disagree, simply because sometimes he has actually decent people on his show, like Bernie Sanders (the only episode I've listened to). Then again, maybe that's just the occasional exception to the rule?

[Breccia]

Once again, MMO-C's second-favorite lawyer.



At the three minute mark, he also discusses Free Speech. Big surprise: he says it's not Free Speech. His "crowbar" analogies along are worth the entire video.

He also addresses the possible defense "Trump thought he won" with "there is proof he didn't".

EDIT: Also, he glosses over it because he's got a lot to talk about, but US vs. Classic (1941) is prescedent, it's one of the laws Trump's charged with, and it involves blocking an election's results. Again, all kinds of "not a lawyer" but that seems highly relevant.

[Ivanstone]

I disagree, simply because sometimes he has actually decent people on his show, like Bernie Sanders (the only episode I've listened to). Then again, maybe that's just the occasional exception to the rule?

Rogan has shown a willingness to talk to a variety of people.

The problem is that he doesn’t appear to learn much from reasonable guests and his fans are worse.

[Endus]

Rogan has shown a willingness to talk to a variety of people.

The problem is that he doesn’t appear to learn much from reasonable guests and his fans are worse.

There's also that it doesn't fundamentally matter if you're willing to talk pleasantly with decent people. If you're willing to sit down and platform and talk pleasantly with a Nazi, you're a Nazi yourself. One who hides behind false civility to evade responsibility for the explicit and intentional harms they implicitly endorse.