Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Breccia]

If the RNC doesn't cave, I'll be pleasantly surprised.

Hold on, I found FOX News posting 11 hours after everyone else.

Trump also cited decisions by previous Republican Presidents Reagan and Nixon to skip primary debates.

"Why would you do that when you're leading by so much?" Trump asked. "Ronald Reagan didn't do it. Nixon didn't do it. Many people didn't do it."

He concluded, "But I'm going to look at it very seriously. I'd like to do it. I've actually gotten very good marks on debating talents. But you want to be, you know, they want a smart president. They want somebody that's going to be smart. So we have to do the smart thing."

Yeah, even Trump knows that bolded is a lie. He lost every debate in 2016 and 2020. He sucked so hard at debating, he nearly died.

FOX News then goes on to quote the RNC by saying...oh, no they didn't.

Man, I never would have guessed FOX News would take Trump's side. Oh, wait.

[gondrin]

Yeah, no shit. Trump is like the human embodiment of the seven deadly sins. I seriously don't understand how he has any support amongst Christians.

Well, I mean, I do. A lot of them are fundamentally stupid, uncritical people who just follow the herd. And in my own experience growing up surrounded by Southern Baptists, most are uncharitable hypocrites who place Sunday attendance above following scripture and treat religion as a status symbol they can lord over others.

What they do with Trump is idolatry, plain and simple.

Honestly, Trump is literally what was described as the Anti-Christ. False prophet, convincing of people to turn away from the teachings and the like.

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If the RNC doesn't cave, I'll be pleasantly surprised.

I'll take that bet. I'll say the RNC will cave in a 6-5 bet.

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Hold on, I found FOX News posting 11 hours after everyone else.



Yeah, even Trump knows that bolded is a lie. He lost every debate in 2016 and 2020. He sucked so hard at debating, he nearly died.

FOX News then goes on to quote the RNC by saying...oh, no they didn't.

Man, I never would have guessed FOX News would take Trump's side. Oh, wait.

Someone should tell Trump that the RNC also didn't have the rule that you couldn't be in the primary if you didn't attend.

[Breccia]

Someone should tell Trump that the RNC also didn't have the rule that you couldn't be in the primary if you didn't attend.

I think he knows. He's playing chicken with them.

One of the many problems with Trump is he's a horrible human being who's killed everything he touches.

But, one of the other many problems with Trump is him saying he's going to do something means less than nothing. He could be honestly saying that he believes the RNCs rules are unhelpful to him and is ready to run third party if they don't make everything exactly what he asks for. Or, he might be bluffing, and is ready to cave like a little punk bitch and follow the rules if the RNC doesn't comply. It's impossible to tell. He's not just chaotic, he's a serial liar.

[Edge-]

What's 'ol Nazi Stephen Miller up to these days?

Suing Pop-Tarts for sexualizing kids because they've done things like partner with GLAAD to make pink lemonade Pop-Tarts.

Wanna see the apparent ad at issue?



If you spot the sexual elements please let me know.

Apparently Miller has been going deep on Kellogg because they're not a white enough corporation for his tastes.

[gondrin]

What's 'ol Nazi Stephen Miller up to these days?

Suing Pop-Tarts for sexualizing kids because they've done things like partner with GLAAD to make pink lemonade Pop-Tarts.

Wanna see the apparent ad at issue?



If you spot the sexual elements please let me know.

Apparently Miller has been going deep on Kellogg because they're not a white enough corporation for his tastes.

Best part is that he filed the complaint through the EEOC, which has nothing to do with any of this. It would be like filing a safety violation in a workplace with the FEC. He also filed a complaint with the EEOC about Kellogg's possibly having TOO much diversity. Yeah, good luck proving that discrimination is happening there.

I mean, if he can find a white person that was unfairly discriminated against in the sense they weren't chosen because of their skin color over another person who happens to be of another skin color, there might be a case but good luck finding that person.

[Edge-]

In other news, did y'all know Trump's a snitch? Which is a good thing in general, actually.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/08/10/trum...n-threats.html

The social media company owned by former President Donald Trump in March tipped off the FBI about threats made by a Utah man who was fatally shot Wednesday by FBI agents as they attempted to arrest him for threatening to kill President Joe Biden, NBC News reported.

Truth Social, the company owned by Trump, notified the FBI after Craig Deleeuw Robertson made threats to kill Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg Jr., according to a senior law enforcement official who spoke to NBC.

Bragg is prosecuting Trump for allegedly falsifying business records related to a 2016 hush money payment to porn star Stormy Daniels.

I do wonder how this will all play out. I hope with lots and lots of drama.

[postman1782]

Alleged Co-Conspirator number 6 arrested for sexual assault that was captured on camera that happened October 10th 2021.

[Egomaniac]

"All the best people"

[gondrin]

"All the best people"

They are the best. The best at being terrible at what they do.

[Breccia]

Are we tired of winning yet?

No.

Trump appeals dismissal of countersuit.

"On what grounds?"

He doesn't want to lose.

"No, really."

A trial in the second lawsuit is scheduled for Jan. 15, 2024, but Trump wants it put on hold during his separate appeal of Kaplan's June 29 refusal to dismiss it.

"Oh, the delay thing again."

Yep. Incidentally, other headlines have said Smith is pushing for a Jan 2 trial date. If they both manage to get their wish, it'll be "fun" to see Trump ask each judge in each trial for yet another delay so he can also not attend the other trial.

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So, Dershowitz is having a time of it, man.

He just suggested...indicting Jack Smith.

"Why?"

Well, Dershowitz is a known Trump supporter who--

"No no, why indict Smith?"

Oh, Dershowitz claims Smith committed fraud by citing in the indictment that Trump ordered his cultists to protest, but left out the word "peacefully". To him, that's a felony.

"Um...has Smith been arrested based on this discovery?"

Oh, of course not. Dershowitz is grasping desperately at straws. Someone who is arrested for stealing can point out the 364 days out of the year he didn't steal anything, but if he stole on the 365th he's still a thief. It doesn't matter what Trump said or did that wasn't a crime. It matters what was.

"Okay, but if Smith misrepresented something on the indictment itself, isn't that a problem?"

Considering the Jan 6th riot incitement is not actually part of the crimes Trump is charged with, no.

"What reputable, fact-based source did Dershowitz publish this on?"

americainsider.org which, funny story, I looked for it on Media Bias Fact Check, they gave results for Russia Insider. They don't even seem to have a Wikipedia entry.

[gondrin]

No.

Trump appeals dismissal of countersuit.

"On what grounds?"

He doesn't want to lose.

"No, really."



"Oh, the delay thing again."

Yep. Incidentally, other headlines have said Smith is pushing for a Jan 2 trial date. If they both manage to get their wish, it'll be "fun" to see Trump ask each judge in each trial for yet another delay so he can also not attend the other trial.

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So, Dershowitz is having a time of it, man.

He just suggested...indicting Jack Smith.

"Why?"

Well, Dershowitz is a known Trump supporter who--

"No no, why indict Smith?"

Oh, Dershowitz claims Smith committed fraud by citing in the indictment that Trump ordered his cultists to protest, but left out the word "peacefully". To him, that's a felony.

"Um...has Smith been arrested based on this discovery?"

Oh, of course not. Dershowitz is grasping desperately at straws. Someone who is arrested for stealing can point out the 364 days out of the year he didn't steal anything, but if he stole on the 365th he's still a thief. It doesn't matter what Trump said or did that wasn't a crime. It matters what was.

"Okay, but if Smith misrepresented something on the indictment itself, isn't that a problem?"

Considering the Jan 6th riot incitement is not actually part of the crimes Trump is charged with, no.

"What reputable, fact-based source did Dershowitz publish this on?"

americainsider.org which, funny story, I looked for it on Media Bias Fact Check, they gave results for Russia Insider. They don't even seem to have a Wikipedia entry.

Yeah, the few articles that I got about that source read as a massive Russian campaign or they are far right of even Newsmaxx and OANN and are Trump cultists.

[Cthulhu 2020]

So they keep increasing security around the judges overseeing Trump's case. Well, the ones that aren't Cannon.

I have to admit, there's a dark morbid part of me that curiously wonders exactly what would happen if some deranged MAGA cultist actually managed to murder them. What systems would we have in place to hold Trump accountable for his incitement of violence, since we KNOW he's been dog whistling violence to his followers. It took us 2.5 years to hold Trump accountable for J6. Would prosecution and punishment be swift? Which judges would take up the cases for Chutkan/Willis?

I don't fantasize about this, but it was a thought that crept into my mind. I really want to see the US hold these criminals accountable, and even moreso pray that there's countermeasures for the deranged psychopaths who ARE fantasizing about violence.

[Kaleredar]

So they keep increasing security around the judges overseeing Trump's case. Well, the ones that aren't Cannon.

I have to admit, there's a dark morbid part of me that curiously wonders exactly what would happen if some deranged MAGA cultist actually managed to murder them. What systems would we have in place to hold Trump accountable for his incitement of violence, since we KNOW he's been dog whistling violence to his followers. It took us 2.5 years to hold Trump accountable for J6. Would prosecution and punishment be swift? Which judges would take up the cases for Chutkan/Willis?

I don't fantasize about this, but it was a thought that crept into my mind. I really want to see the US hold these criminals accountable, and even moreso pray that there's countermeasures for the deranged psychopaths who ARE fantasizing about violence.

I'd rather not have violence fall upon people, especially because what they're doing is fair and just. And if it's taking them this long to nail Trump on January 6th and all of the other rather direct incidences of him instructing people to subvert the electoral process, I've no extra hope that someone successfully attacking someone in Trump's name would result in anything immediately.

We've seen violence attempted against left-wing politicians or people otherwise disagreeing with Trump in the past. Hell, there was that guy that was just taken down by the FBI. None of it has moved the needle of Trump's fervent supporters one iota away from him and his violent, blowhard rhetoric, or the GOP writ large from moving away from Trump in any meaningful sense. They'll either claim that those people "don't represent the party," that "Trump clearly didn't ask them to do it, they were just lone wolves" or "well democrats do far worse, look at all the trash cans tipped over in Portland" or some such.

And even on the most practically cynical level, it would lead to delays in transferring the trial to a new judge or appointing new judges and the slew of delay-tactic bullshit that Trump's lawyers would then find to crank out to delay the trial another week or month or half a year or what have you.

[Cthulhu 2020]

I'd rather not have violence fall upon people, especially because what they're doing is fair and just. And if it's taking them this long to nail Trump on January 6th and all of the other rather direct incidences of him instructing people to subvert the electoral process, I've no extra hope that someone successfully attacking someone in Trump's name would result in anything immediately.

We've seen violence attempted against left-wing politicians or people otherwise disagreeing with Trump in the past. Hell, there was that guy that was just taken down by the FBI. None of it has moved the needle of Trump's fervent supporters one iota away from him and his violent, blowhard rhetoric, or the GOP writ large from moving away from Trump in any meaningful sense. They'll either claim that those people "don't represent the party," that "Trump clearly didn't ask them to do it, they were just lone wolves" or "well democrats do far worse, look at all the trash cans tipped over in Portland" or some such.

And even on the most practically cynical level, it would lead to delays in transferring the trial to a new judge or appointing new judges and the slew of delay-tactic bullshit that Trump's lawyers would then find to crank out to delay the trial another week or month or half a year or what have you.

Oh I have no hope or dreams of people being hurt, but I have contemplated what would happen in such a circumstance. You KNOW there are MAGA cultists out there plotting violence, and the rub is whether they ultimately act on it or not. Literally just had a would-be Biden assassin resist arrest and get killed.

[Flarelaine]

"What reputable, fact-based source did Dershowitz publish this on?"

americainsider.org which, funny story, I looked for it on Media Bias Fact Check, they gave results for Russia Insider. They don't even seem to have a Wikipedia entry.

I looked up the domain on a whim and found something I haven't seen in 20+ years.

Registrant Name: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY

(along with two dozen other records)

That data is generally publicly available. I haven't seen one REDACTED before, not even when looking up fishy "news" pages. Someone is afraid to show their work.

I only learned that the domain was created 64 days ago through GoDaddy and is hosted by Cloudflare (no relation).

[Odinfrost]

No.

Trump appeals dismissal of countersuit.

"On what grounds?"

He doesn't want to lose.

"No, really."



"Oh, the delay thing again."

Yep. Incidentally, other headlines have said Smith is pushing for a Jan 2 trial date. If they both manage to get their wish, it'll be "fun" to see Trump ask each judge in each trial for yet another delay so he can also not attend the other trial.

You know what? Let him get his delay. But with the condition that he actually shows up to the trial. If he doesn't, he should be held in contempt of court in both cases.

[Breccia]

As expected, because I'm a pessimist, judge gives Trump his thirty-seventh second chance.

In a "close" decision, Chutkan said she was not persuaded that the government has shown all information gathered in the case would fall under the protective order. She ruled that only information designated as "sensitive" should be protected — however, she agreed with the government that every single person interviewed by prosecutors is a potential witness and is sensitive.

"The defendant has the right to free speech, but that right is not absolute," Chutkan said at the onset of the hearing. "Without a protective order, a party could release that info to the jury pool."

Trump has had so many fingers waved at him, he could farm wind power to run the Eastern Seaboard.

[The Stormbringer]

As expected, because I'm a pessimist, judge gives Trump his thirty-seventh second chance.

Trump has had so many fingers waved at him, he could farm wind power to run the Eastern Seaboard.

God fucking dammit. Again? When is one of these judges going to actually have the courage to stand up and say, "BAILIFF, SMACK HIS NUTS". Metaphorically or literally, I don't care which.

[Edge-]

Trump has had so many fingers waved at him, he could farm wind power to run the Eastern Seaboard.

Careful, I hear those are big cancer risks.

[Katchii]

Careful, I hear those are big cancer risks.

And also taking away wind power from other areas.....