Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Breccia]

Careful, I hear those are big cancer risks.

And also taking away wind power from other areas.....

Okay, all true, but at least finger wagging doesn't kill birds, just flip them.

[Katchii]

Okay, all true, but at least finger wagging doesn't kill birds, just flip them.

I've been flipping birds around Trump for a LOOOONG time.

[Paranoid Android]

As expected, because I'm a pessimist, judge gives Trump his thirty-seventh second chance.



Trump has had so many fingers waved at him, he could farm wind power to run the Eastern Seaboard.

I never get the free speech hand waving crap. I'm talking about on the side that believes in Trump's transgressions. Jack Smith even mentioned this in his prosecution that Trump has right to free speech.

I'm talking about Trump basically subverting democracy by calling the election illegitimate. Maybe splitting hairs or grey area here but when you are sitting President calling an election fraud, fake and discrediting citizens as not legit voters is not speech but rhetoric to throw over throw the government.

Don't want to get int theories and what could have happened but if Trump just incited say a revolution where there was Jan 6th and more is not free speech. Idk, there is power and difference when a person in power and my goodness theeee power of sitting Prez his free speech should be looked upon different.

[Breccia]

I'm talking about Trump basically subverting democracy by calling the election illegitimate.

We'll get a very interesting lesson over 2024.

The rule seems pretty simple: you can believe the money is yours, up until you pull a gun on the bank teller and ask for it back. Fraud involves communication of things you know to be false. RICO covers discussing the crime you want to commit. Trump is writing a textbook titled "The Difference Between Free Speech And Objectively Being A Criminal"

By Dr. Cubby.

[Ausr]

God fucking dammit. Again? When is one of these judges going to actually have the courage to stand up and say, "BAILIFF, SMACK HIS NUTS". Metaphorically or literally, I don't care which.

Because rich people have a different set of rules than us poor folk.

Which, once again, shows us why capitalism is the BBEG of life.

[gondrin]

So, lawyers working for Trump, knowing he is pretty much a 75 year old toddler, complaining of having to watch said toddler all the time. You took the job of having to babysit him, you don't get to complain when the time comes to actually have to do it.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...9c827ddf&ei=12

Trump Lawyer Complains About Needing to 'Babysit' His Client

Donald Trump's lawyer complained to a judge about needing to babysit his client during a hearing in Washington, D.C., on Friday.

The hearing was about the particulars of a protective order that was requested by special counsel Jack Smith barring the former president from oversharing evidence in an ongoing criminal probe by the Department of Justice (DOJ) into his alleged efforts to overturn the result of the 2020 presidential election. John Lauro—a recent hire on Trump's legal team—however appeared to be unhappy with the DOJ's proposal that would legally require the former president not to produce sensitive materials tied to the case.

The proposed order comes as the prosecution and defense are set to begin the process of discovery ahead of a January criminal trial.

While the DOJ says Trump has a demonstrated history of holding confidential material—not to mention efforts to intimidate potential witnesses and sway public opinion about his legal affairs—Lauro said such an effort would be tantamount to restricting his free speech during his ongoing 2024 presidential campaign, citing figures like former Vice President Mike Pence, a key opponent and a potential witness in the case, as a prime example.

However, Judge Tanya Chutkan who is overseeing the case ordered Trump's legal team to review any and all notes the former president might take on the documents unearthed during the discovery process to prevent possible leaks.
"He's a criminal defendant," Chutkan said. "He's going to have restrictions like every other criminal defendant."

In response, Lauro said that while Trump is legally allowed to review materials related to the case, the defense team was stretched thin, and likely unable to comply with a mandate to monitor the former president out of concern it would "bog them down."

"In 40 years of practice I've never been in a white-collar case where counsel has to sit next to a client and literally babysit to make sure they don't violate a protective order," Lauro said.

However according to reporters in the room, Chutkan noted that Trump had already agreed to a material review requirement in the protective order that was enacted in a case surrounding Trump's alleged removal of classified material from the White House after his presidency.

While Chutkan did not grant the DOJ's request for a blanket protective order, she said the former president would be allowed to review sensitive materials alone without a lawyer present.

However, a member of Trump's defense team will be required to review any notes he takes, and Trump cannot "carry the materials around with him."

The judge later committed to using "whatever measures are necessary to safeguard the integrity of these proceedings."

Earlier this month, the DOJ indicted Trump for his alleged involvement in January 6, 2021, when a mob of his supporters, allegedly motivated by his unfounded claims of voter fraud, rioted at the United States Capitol in a failed effort to force Congress to block President Joe Biden's Electoral College victory. The DOJ charged Trump with conspiracy to defraud the United States; conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding; obstruction of and attempt to obstruct an official proceeding; and conspiracy against rights.

Trump has maintained his innocence in the case and pleaded not guilty to all charges, adding that he did nothing wrong on January 6, pointing to his tweet at the time that told the rioters to go home. He also maintains that the election was stolen, despite a lack of evidence, and has accused prosecutors of targeting him for political purposes as he runs again for president in 2024.

[Logwyn]

What color will Trump's prison attire be?

[masterhorus8]

What color will Trump's prison attire be?

Same as everyone else, but I think it'll just be skin colored for him.

[Breccia]

"In 40 years of practice I've never been in a white-collar case where counsel has to sit next to a client and literally babysit to make sure they don't violate a protective order," Lauro said.

You can always quit.

[Endus]

You can always quit.

"Your honor, my client's so malicious in his intent and actions that expecting us as his legal team to prevent him from breaching court orders is just an impossible task. He's just so criminal and has such a lack of respect for the courts that he's not going to listen to anything you or I tell him."

Man, that's such a take by a client's own lawyer. Just fucking put the orange simpleton in a jail cell until trial, incommunicado except to his legal team or any immediate family who want to come visit (like any of them would).

[Gorsameth]

What color will Trump's prison attire be?

Sigh

Trump is not going to jail. Stop expecting anything above house arrest to happen.

[Kathranis]

Sigh

Trump is not going to jail. Stop expecting anything above house arrest to happen.

House arrest would be most likely, but confinement on some government-controlled site like a military base is also possible. Mar-a-Lago might be considered too insecure, being a fucking hotel, not to mention the scene of like 40 of his crimes.

Even confinement on a base, they'd probably put him up in military housing so it'd be a far cry from a prison cell. Take away his public and social media and he's in a mental prison anyway.

[Egomaniac]

House arrest would be most likely, but confinement on some government-controlled site like a military base is also possible. Mar-a-Lago might be considered too insecure, being a fucking hotel, not to mention the scene of like 40 of his crimes.

Even confinement on a base, they'd probably put him up in military housing so it'd be a far cry from a prison cell. Take away his public and social media and he's in a mental prison anyway.

The issue isn't just him...homeboy has secret service protection for life...unless he decides to waive it.

[Dontrike]

The issue isn't just him...homeboy has secret service protection for life...unless he decides to waive it.

Wouldn't in that case the Secret Service that are protecting him just be near him in whatever version of prison they happen to stick him in?

[Egomaniac]

Wouldn't in that case the Secret Service that are protecting him just be near him in whatever version of prison they happen to stick him in?

Yeah, but that's why some version of house arrest is far more likely than any actual prison. Too many variables outside of their control in a prison setting.

[Captain N]

I can't even see Trump making house arrest before he gets thrown in jail. The temptation for a midnight hamberder and diet Coke might be too much for him, as he flees to the nearest McDonalds.

[Poopymonster]

I can't even see Trump making house arrest before he gets thrown in jail. The temptation for a midnight hamberder and diet Coke might be too much for him, as he flees to the nearest McDonalds.

He'll shoot his mouth off way before the trial starts, breaking the Judge's orders.

[The Stormbringer]

Yeah, but that's why some version of house arrest is far more likely than any actual prison. Too many variables outside of their control in a prison setting.

That's what secure facilities that aren't prisons are for. There's no reason it has to be a prison, but it also doesn't need to be his hotel. Unless of course, they shut the whole thing down and kick out all the staff.

[Egomaniac]

That's what secure facilities that aren't prisons are for.

I didn't say "keep him in his hotel"...I said some version of house arrest. What you are describing is exactly that.

And it's not even just as easy as tossing him in a secure facility. That facility will have to be repurposed.

[ringpriest]

I didn't say "keep him in his hotel"...I said some version of house arrest. What you are describing is exactly that.

And it's not even just as easy as tossing him in a secure facility. That facility will have to be repurposed.

I see no reason why ADX Florence would not work as-is.