Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Logwyn]

Wouldn't in that case the Secret Service that are protecting him just be near him in whatever version of prison they happen to stick him in?

https://people.howstuffworks.com/us-...et-service.htm

[Locklen]

How about Guantanamo Bay? Im sure we got room to give him his own private wing.

[Egomaniac]

I see no reason why ADX Florence would not work as-is.

Where are you going to house the Secret Service Detail?

[ringpriest]

Where are you going to house the Secret Service Detail?

Where ever the other 300+ ADX staff live, only the Secret Service get rotated out. Or the President can issue an executive order saying that former Presiednt who are in prison for felonies don't need a Secret Service detail.

[Corvus]

Just stick him in solitary confinement.

[PosPosPos]

People should first have value in order to be qualified for protection. Violent authoritarian bullies that are sexual predators in their spare time aren't part of that.

[Breccia]

People should first have value in order to be qualified for protection.

You saw the 2016 and 2020 results. Just because you disagree with the second-largest party doesn't mean he's not valued by then.

[Egomaniac]

Where ever the other 300+ ADX staff live, only the Secret Service get rotated out. Or the President can issue an executive order saying that former Presiednt who are in prison for felonies don't need a Secret Service detail.

The other 300+ ADX staff all presumably live in the area already. And you would need congress to pass that law.

[PosPosPos]

You saw the 2016 and 2020 results. Just because you disagree with the second-largest party doesn't mean he's not valued by then.

I guess negative values are still values.

My bad.

[Endus]

The other 300+ ADX staff all presumably live in the area already. And you would need congress to pass that law.

Frankly, I don't think it's any consideration of the court's where his Secret Service detail needs to be housed and such. That's an issue to be worked out between the Secret Service itself and whatever facility Trump's housed in. And if they can't come to an agreement, Trump can go without his detail. The Secret Service shouldn't get to overrule court rulings on a whim, and that's what this would be; a whim.

I'm not saying he shouldn't have that protection, I'm saying it's on him and the Secret Service to work out how that works. And if it doesn't, the literal only person at fault for that is Trump.

No more multi-tier justice system. You fuck around, you find out, to the exact same standards as we'd apply if it was a 19-year old black kid from the inner city who definitely did the crimes they're accused of (and it's bothersome I have to even include that last bit, but American cops are known for nothing more than their brutal racism.)

If that bothers his voters, they can suck it the fuck up and go cry about it. Or try and start the civil war they keep whinging about. Making allowances because Cletus Nolastname might throw a violent hissy fit about it is corruption. If Cletus acts up, prosecute him, too. That's how this works. If that means you end up prosecuting and incarcerating tens of thousands, hey, at least your private prison corporations are gonna be happy and rolling in the green.

[Breccia]

I guess negative values are still values.

First of all, I'm a math teacher and this sentence made me cringe.

Second of all, they're positive values of negative people, if that helps.

[Egomaniac]

Frankly, I don't think it's any consideration of the court's where his Secret Service detail needs to be housed and such. That's an issue to be worked out between the Secret Service itself and whatever facility Trump's housed in. And if they can't come to an agreement, Trump can go without his detail. The Secret Service shouldn't get to overrule court rulings on a whim, and that's what this would be; a whim.

C'mon, we both know if he's convicted the SS will want to be heard when it comes to sentencing...and, especially since it will set a precedent... the judge will hear them out.'

And it would not be a whim. Trump is guaranteed SS protection for life. He can, if he chooses, decline that protection...but how likely is that?

[Endus]

C'mon, we both know if he's convicted the SS will want to be heard when it comes to sentencing...and, especially since it will set a precedent... the judge will hear them out.'

And it would not be a whim. Trump is guaranteed SS protection for life. He can, if he chooses, decline that protection...but how likely is that?

No one's saying he can't have Secret Service protection in prison. Put some Secret Service members on staff there as special guards, focusing on his safety.

That law's not a justification for sentencing him to house arrest rather than prison. The Secret Service aren't entitled to have the courts change their rulings to make the Secret Service's jobs easier.

[Egomaniac]

No one's saying he can't have Secret Service protection in prison. Put some Secret Service members on staff there as special guards, focusing on his safety.

That law's not a justification for sentencing him to house arrest rather than prison. The Secret Service aren't entitled to have the courts change their rulings to make the Secret Service's jobs easier.

We aren't talking about changing any rulings though. We're talking about the sentencing...specifically, where that sentencing should take place. And before the sentencing happens... there will be motions filed to have that sentence be served in a place where the Secret Service will have final say over safety concerns.

And, you can talk all you want about how there is no multi-tier justice system...but I can't think of any other defendants that appointed the judge presiding over their case, can you?

[PosPosPos]

First of all, I'm a math teacher and this sentence made me cringe.

Second of all, they're positive values of negative people, if that helps.

Well, it might easier to stomach if I tell you I am using "values" in a similar context to that of moral values rather than that of math and numbers; there are positive moral values and there are negative moral values, and likewise there are people who add positive value to society and the world, and there are people who run with the opposite and destroy and erode what that is good(which is of value), so in the latter example these would be people who "contribute" negative value to the world.

[Breccia]

Well, it might easier to stomach if I tell you I am using "values" in a similar--

Nah, I was mostly just reading your post while staring at an empty online hours screen and fucking with you. I got it, I promise.

Well, let's see how Tr--

PERFECT PHONE CALL

At what point is "playing the greatest hits album" turned into "OMG change the channel"? How about the Iowa state faire? Maybe a random comment would at least be new.

"Did you intend to overturn the 2020 election?"

"You know the answer."

(sighs)

There's more chatter coming out of Georgia, at least. Maybe that'll help.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Now that the protective order is in place, the first batch of discovery materials is being handed over.

11.6M pages.

M = million.

Bon Appétit, Counselors.

That's 23,200 reams of paper. At 2.5" thickness per ream, that's 58,000 inches high.
That's 4,833 feet high. That's a few hundred feet short of a mile.

Well then, this is gonna be fun.

[Odinfrost]

Wait wait wait wait wait... WHAT?! NEAR FIVE FEET?! WHAT THE FUCK?!
Speaking of fuck, guess that's what's metaphorically happening to Trump right now.

[Breccia]

paper!

Was it this paper?



Was it this paper?



Was it this motherfucking paper?



If Trump routinely uses (blank) paper as a prop to try to show how big and important something is, the fact that it's being used against him should be terrfying. Especially if those pages are blank -- Smith's won't be.

But you don't pay me the big bucks to teach psychology. Actually you don't pay me the big bucks at all, public school math teacher, but fuck it, math time.

The smallest pile of papers is Trump claiming he's signing his tax return, Oct 2015. Based on how even those layers of paper representing Trump's financial empire, "Tiers of the King Dumb" if you will, I'm just saying those are out-of-the-paper reams of Who But W. B. Mason with an official-looking cover page stapled to each. Probably the same cover page. But they also appear to be about 140x380 pixels, so assuming standard 8 1/2 paper, so, 23 inches high, give or take a felony. If that really was one year of Trump's taxes, and not a stage prop, the evidence Smith is presenting would be as high as Trump's returns ending now and stretching back past the birth of Christ.

The middle pile of papers are the forms Trump claimed were "just some of the many documents I’ve signed turning over complete and total control to my sons" Jan 2017, and yes, widely ridiculed and some photos taken from the side suggested they were blank. We do know the AP was blocked from looking at them, so I can say "they are blank" with full confidence nobody can prove me wrong, at least. Also, hey, look, it's Mike Pence in the background, probably covering the boner he has for thinking "this is going to be the best four years of my life!" Or, maybe he's blocking a penalty kick. In any event I count six across and...three? deep. None of the piles of folders appears to be much taller than it is wide, but let's round up (guys are prone to do that, amirite ladies?) and claim they're all twelve inches. That would be 144 inches high, eww, gross, in total. And again Smith's massive white stack of hard evidence dwarves Trump's little stub, enough to make four hundred of those tables. Trump's paperwork is almost assuredly fake, but even if it wasn't, he's need enough Trump Orgs to (using their at-the-time value by Forbes) to be a literal trillionaire, the richest person who had ever lived ever ever ever.

The largest pile of papers Trump is standing next to in December 2017 is four across, three deep, and again, seem to be segmented like freshly-opened reams -- but to be fair, these papers were just a demo model of Trump comparing regulation sizes then and now, these at least weren't dishonestly blank. They appear to be one Trump plus two stacks/reams tall, so that would be six-foot-eight. As you can see, they're five across and as you can't see but that Google search window is still open and I can three deep. That's a whopping one hundred feet of paper. If Trump had done every single year from 1960 to "Today" and if the red tape showed a roughly linear increase, Smith's evidence is still more.

"Surely not every single word on every single page is mission critical."

No, but again, Trump uses stacks of paper like this as props meaning he thinks his followers equate size with content, and/or he believes the same. I think it's possible he used such demonstrations in politics because he did so in business meetings, which in turn he did because he thought it would work. He's a narcissist sociopath, so "he thought it would work" means "on him". When that discovery landslide, which would weigh literally 50 tons unlike Trump who is closer to one, is dropped on his doorstep, he's going to shit his diapers and/or cheap Chinese suit.

[Dontrike]

CNN has an exclusive where we've learned Georgia investigation has found direct messages from Trump's team being behind the voting system breach.

Atlanta-area prosecutors investigating efforts to overturn the 2020 election results in Georgia are in possession of text messages and emails directly connecting members of Donald Trump’s legal team to the early January 2021 voting system breach in Coffee County, sources tell CNN.

Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis is expected to seek charges against more than a dozen individuals when her team presents its case before a grand jury next week. Several individuals involved in the voting systems breach in Coffee County are among those who may face charges in the sprawling criminal probe.

Investigators in the Georgia criminal probe have long suspected the breach was not an organic effort sprung from sympathetic Trump supporters in rural and heavily Republican Coffee County – a county Trump won by nearly 70% of the vote. They have gathered evidence indicating it was a top-down push by Trump’s team to access sensitive voting software, according to people familiar with the situation.

Trump allies attempted to access voting systems after the 2020 election as part of the broader push to produce evidence that could back up the former president’s baseless claims of widespread fraud.

While Trump’s January 2021 call to Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger and effort to put forward fake slates of electors have long been considered key pillars of Willis’ criminal probe, the voting system breach in Coffee County quietly emerged as an area of focus for investigators roughly one year ago. Since then, new evidence has slowly been uncovered about the role of Trump’s attorneys, the operatives they hired and how the breach, as well as others like it in other key states, factored into broader plans for overturning the election.

Together, the text messages and other court documents show how Trump lawyers and a group of hired operatives sought to access Coffee County’s voting systems in the days before January 6, 2021, as the former president’s allies continued a desperate hunt for any evidence of widespread fraud they could use to delay certification of Joe Biden’s electoral victory.

 Last year, a former Trump official testified under oath to the House January 6 select committee that plans to access voting systems in Georgia were discussed in meetings at the White House, including during an Oval Office meeting on December 18, 2020,  that included Trump. 

Six days before pro-Trump operatives gained unauthorized access to voting systems, the local elections official who allegedly helped facilitate the breach sent a “written invitation” to attorneys working for Trump, according to text messages obtained by CNN.

Investigators have scrutinized the actions of various individuals who were involved, including Misty Hampton, a former Coffee County elections official who authored the letter of invitation referenced in text messages and other documents that have been turned over to prosecutors, multiple sources told CNN.

They have also examined the involvement of Trump’s then attorney Rudy Giuliani – who was informed last year he was a target in the Fulton County investigation – and fellow Trump lawyer Sidney Powell as part of their probe, according to people familiar with the matter.

A spokesperson for Willis’ office declined to comment.

The letter of invitation was shared with attorneys and an investigator working with Giuliani at the time, the text messages obtained by CNN show.
A ‘written invitation’ to access voting systems

On January 1, 2021 – days ahead of the January 7 voting systems breach – Katherine Friess – an attorney working with Giuliani, Sidney Powell and other Trump allies shared a “written invitation” to examine voting systems in Coffee County with a group of Trump allies.

That group included members of Sullivan Strickler, a firm hired by Trump’s attorneys to examine voting systems in the small, heavily Republican Georgia county, according to text messages obtained by CNN.

That same day, Friess sent a “Letter of invitation to Coffee County, Georgia” to former NYPD Police Commissioner Bernie Kerik, who was working with Giuliani to find evidence that would back up their baseless claims of potential widespread voter fraud, according to court documents filed as part of an ongoing civil case.

Friess then notified operatives who carried out the Coffee County breach and others working directly with Giuliani that Trump’s team had secured written permission, the texts show.

CNN has not reviewed the substance of the invitation letter itself, only communications that confirm it was provided to Friess, Kerik and Sullivan Strickler employees.

Friess could not be reached for comment.

The messages and documents appear to link Giuliani to the Coffee County breach, while shedding light on another channel of communication between pro-Trump attorneys and the battleground state operatives who worked together to provide unauthorized individuals access to sensitive voting equipment.

“Rudy Giuliani had nothing to do with this,” said Robert Costello, Giuliani’s attorney. “You can’t attach Rudy Giuliani to Sidney Powell’s crackpot idea.”

“Just landed back in DC with the Mayor huge things starting to come together!” an employee from the firm Sullivan Strickler, which was hired by Sidney Powell to examine voting systems in Coffee County, wrote in a group chat with other colleagues on January 1.

Former New York Mayor Giuliani was consistently referred to as “the Mayor,” in other texts sent by the same individual and others at the time.

“Most immediately, we were just granted access – by written invitation! – to Coffee County’s systems. Yay!” the text reads.
Breaking into Coffee County

Shortly after Election Day, Hampton – still serving as the top election official for Coffee County – warned during a state election board meeting that Dominion voting machines could “very easily” be manipulated to flip votes from one candidate to another. It’s a claim that has been repeatedly debunked.

But the Trump campaign officials took notice and reached out to Hampton that same day. “I would like to obtain as much information as possible,” a Trump campaign staffer emailed Hampton at the time, according to documents released as part of a public records request and first reported by the Washington Post.

In early December, Hampton then delayed certification of Joe Biden’s win in Georgia by refusing to validate the recount results by a key deadline. Coffee County was the only county in Georgia that failed to certify its election results due to issues raised by Hampton at the time.

Hampton also posted a video online claiming to expose problems with the county’s Dominion voting system. That video was used by Trump’s lawyers, including Giuliani, as part of their push to convince legislators from multiple states that there was evidence the 2020 election results were tainted by voting system issues.

Text messages and other documents obtained by CNN show Trump allies were seeking access to Coffee County’s voting system by mid-December amid increasing demands for proof of widespread election fraud.

Coffee County was specifically cited in draft executive orders for seizing voting machines that were presented to Trump on December 18, 2020, during a chaotic Oval Office meeting, CNN has reported. During that same meeting, Giuliani alluded to a plan to gain “voluntary access” to machines in Georgia, according to testimony from him and others before the House January 6 committee.

Days later, Hampton shared the written invitation to access the county’s election office with a Trump lawyer, text messages obtained by CNN show. She and another location elections official, Cathy Latham, allegedly helped Trump operatives gain access to the county’s voting systems, according to documents, testimony and surveillance video produced as part of a long-running civil lawsuit focused on election security in Georgia.

Latham, who also served as a fake elector from Georgia after the 2020 election, has come under scrutiny for her role in the Coffee County breach after surveillance video showed she allowed unauthorized outsiders to spend hours examining voting systems there.