Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Egomaniac]

Trump had a similiar experience, eating smaller candidates one at a time. Christie could be doing the same, except Trump might have done so more literally. I mean, has anyone seen Fiorina?

Trump was never as low in the polls as Christie is currently. THere aren't many smaller candidates for him to eat.

And fat jokes land better when the other guy isn't even fatter.

[Poopymonster]

Thought I'd post this just to see how people would bet. He's definitely near or over 300. I'm 6'3'' and am something like 290 and look nothing like that, and I think I'm an absolute fat ass.

So when do we get to see his girth certificate?

[Odinfrost]

So when do we get to see his girth certificate?

Bringing fingers together
Soon(tm).

[gondrin]

So, everyone ready for the Trump Seal of Approval? I mean, who doesn't want to show off that they have been truly scammed AND were proud of it.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...78070a2c&ei=10

Trump Claims His ‘Seal of Approval’ Will ‘Protect Loyal Donors From Scammers’ — Here’s What It Looks Like

Ex-President Donald Trump and his team have devised a Trump “Seal of Approval” they claim will “Protect Loyal Donors From Scammers.”

Trump’s campaign put out a press release entitled “Team Trump Unveils New “Seal Of Approval” To Protect Loyal Donors From Scammers” introducing a new process to prevent scammages:

edminster, NJ — President Donald J. Trump will grant the right to use his “Seal of Approval” to an exclusive group of candidates and committees that the President endorses or otherwise supports. The purpose of the Seal is to help President Trump’s donors distinguish between authorized uses of his name and likeness, and unauthorized uses including oftentimes outright scams. It is intended to protect the President’s donors and supporters from illegitimate organizations falsely claiming some affiliation with President Trump and his campaign.

President Trump’s endorsement power is the most powerful force in American politics. His influence is election defining. When President Trump posts an endorsement on Truth Social, or a candidate onstage before tens of thousands of voters, America First patriots rally behind President Trump’s choice and deliver a decisive victory.

Unfortunately, some candidates, PACs and their fundraising vendors have drained millions of dollars from President Trump’s donors by falsely claiming that they support President Trump, that the President supports them, and that funds received in response to the solicitations will support, help, or defend President Trump. To fight this scam, President Trump’s endorsement will now include the right to use his name and likeness in fundraising solicitations and other campaign communications, as signified by this Seal. The Seal will be a powerful signal to President Trump’s loyal donors that the sender is on Team Trump, and is not a scammer.

It goes on for quite a bit more, then reveals the seal in all its glory:

[Cthulhu 2020]

Just a reminder, as if it wasn't ABUNDANTLY clear who owns Trump: https://bylinetimes.com/2020/01/23/r...bank%20records

Russia deposited $500M USD into the Commercial Real Estate Div. of Deutsche Bank right before Trump took out a $1B loan from his casinos in Atlantic city going bankrupt. Trump is infamously known for not paying his legal fees, not paying his loans, not paying his construction workers, etc. to the point that he couldn't get loans in the USA, so he turned to outside banks that peddle in corrupt political influence rather than money. Russia knew what it was getting into. It wasn't looking to make money off of Trump, it was looking for a political plant.


Trump's shitty credit score has been known about for decades, the Russian connection was more recently uncovered by public eye, but people have known for a long time that Trump has bumped elbows with Russian real estate oligarchs for a long time.

[Kaleredar]

Just a reminder, as if it wasn't ABUNDANTLY clear who owns Trump: https://bylinetimes.com/2020/01/23/r...bank%20records

Russia deposited $500M USD into the Commercial Real Estate Div. of Deutsche Bank right before Trump took out a $1B loan from his casinos in Atlantic city going bankrupt. Trump is infamously known for not paying his legal fees, not paying his loans, not paying his construction workers, etc. to the point that he couldn't get loans in the USA, so he turned to outside banks that peddle in corrupt political influence rather than money. Russia knew what it was getting into. It wasn't looking to make money off of Trump, it was looking for a political plant.


Trump's shitty credit score has been known about for decades, the Russian connection was more recently uncovered by public eye, but people have known for a long time that Trump has bumped elbows with Russian real estate oligarchs for a long time.

I would hope that the freeze on Russian assets has clogged up this source of income for Trump quite a bit.

[s_bushido]

So, everyone ready for the Trump Seal of Approval? I mean, who doesn't want to show off that they have been truly scammed AND were proud of it.

Good lord, that's pathetic. I'm sure it will retain its value just as effectively as those dumbass NFT apes. Because...you know...no unofficial scammer could possibly just slap a .png on their shit. Only the official scammers will have access to it. Somehow.

[Corvus]

The Trump seal of approval is so you can tell the official scam from the unofficial one.

[Surfd]

The way he continuously refers to himself in these things as "President" Trump, as if he is still sitting in the Oval Office just comes across as morbidly unhinged....... like, isn't there some kind of legal statute or something that makes it illegal to officially claim to be the President when you are not? Like, I don't remember ever hearing former Presidents referring to themselves as "President" in a way that makes it seem like they are still holding the office.

[Breccia]

The Trump seal of approval is so you can tell the official scam from the unofficial one.

Actually, why can't someone else just copy the logo? @gondrin did it just fine, and he doesn't strike me as a cultist.

OR IS HE? Dun-dun-DUN!

No, he's not.

[Lynarii]

The way he continuously refers to himself in these things as "President" Trump, as if he is still sitting in the Oval Office just comes across as morbidly unhinged....... like, isn't there some kind of legal statute or something that makes it illegal to officially claim to be the President when you are not? Like, I don't remember ever hearing former Presidents referring to themselves as "President" in a way that makes it seem like they are still holding the office.

He isn't referring to himself as President of the United States Trump (at least in this release). There are many organizations that have a role titled 'President' and he probably holds the role in at least a handful of them. So while everyone knows why he's doing it and it's in extremely poor form, it is not illegal to use a non-exclusive title and there are actual crimes to go after him for.

[DarkTZeratul]

He isn't referring to himself as President of the United States Trump (at least in this release). There are many organizations that have a role titled 'President' and he probably holds the role in at least a handful of them. So while everyone knows why he's doing it and it's in extremely poor form, it is not illegal to use a non-exclusive title and there are actual crimes to go after him for.

Even if he were referring to himself as President of the United States, that's not illegal (though using the official presidential seal is). Just very telling.

[Cthulhu 2020]

So, everyone ready for the Trump Seal of Approval? I mean, who doesn't want to show off that they have been truly scammed AND were proud of it.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...78070a2c&ei=10

This seal of approval shit is so funny because every scammer asking for donations for Trump will just copy paste the seal of approval. What the fuck was he actually thinking? That making a png would solve the scammer problem?

I'd say it's more likely that he knows he's going to get hit with more campaign finance violation laws and is trying to make a bandaid he believes will work.

[s_bushido]

The way he continuously refers to himself in these things as "President" Trump, as if he is still sitting in the Oval Office just comes across as morbidly unhinged....... like, isn't there some kind of legal statute or something that makes it illegal to officially claim to be the President when you are not? Like, I don't remember ever hearing former Presidents referring to themselves as "President" in a way that makes it seem like they are still holding the office.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think it's particularly strange for former presidents to use the "President" honorific. Obviously the context is a bit different with Trump specifically, with him and his cult perpetuating the lie that he's the legitimate president.

[Surfd]

He isn't referring to himself as President of the United States Trump (at least in this release). There are many organizations that have a role titled 'President' and he probably holds the role in at least a handful of them. So while everyone knows why he's doing it and it's in extremely poor form, it is not illegal to use a non-exclusive title and there are actual crimes to go after him for.

I would be willing to bet you hard cash that he 100% thinks of himself as "the President of the USA" when he reads "the President endorses" or "President Donald J Trump" as it appears in that Press release linked above. Like, that whole thing literally reads as if he wants people to think he is the legitimate sitting President......

[Egomaniac]

The way he continuously refers to himself in these things as "President" Trump, as if he is still sitting in the Oval Office just comes across as morbidly unhinged....... like, isn't there some kind of legal statute or something that makes it illegal to officially claim to be the President when you are not? Like, I don't remember ever hearing former Presidents referring to themselves as "President" in a way that makes it seem like they are still holding the office.

No, pretty much every living President can expect to be referred to as "Mr. President" until the day they day. Bush, Obama, Clinton, and sadly even Trump...they get to keep that honorific.

[DarkTZeratul]

No, pretty much every living President can expect to be referred to as "Mr. President" until the day they day. Bush, Obama, Clinton, and sadly even Trump...they get to keep that honorific.

I don't think a single of of them ever referred to themselves as "President X" after leaving office though, the way Trump does. He uses it exactly how Surfd says, as though he still holds the office.

[Surfd]

No, pretty much every living President can expect to be referred to as "Mr. President" until the day they day. Bush, Obama, Clinton, and sadly even Trump...they get to keep that honorific.

sure, they can expect other people to use it to refer to them, but when was the last time you heard Obama or Jimmy Carter or Bush, or literally any president refer to himself, even in personal press releases as "the President" or "President X" after being out of office?

That press release for Trump's ridiculous seal straight up reads as if it just came out of the White House Press Office. It's practically impossible to read that thing without getting the impression that it's intentionally written to make it sound like Trump is still President.

I mean, hell, even in that 3 paragraph blurb that was quoted, they use the word "President" 15 times. That's practically twice per sentence. Like they can just overwhelm you with rote repetition or something.

[Breccia]

I mean, hell, even in that 3 paragraph blurb that was quoted, they use the word "President" 15 times. That's practically twice per sentence.

You see it in his legal filings literally every time. It's put there by his people who don't want to be fired, so they slather it on thick, catering to the "I didn't lose" crowd of one.

Related: Dershowitz hints at a new five stages of grief parallel.

According to his new attempt to temper expectations, some of the trials, namely "in New York and Florida, in Washington, and in Fulton County", will--

"Isn't that all of them?"

Yes. These will get some convictions, but these convictions will be overturned conveniently after the election. In other words, Mr. "We're not retreating, we're falling back to regroup on purpose" sounds like he's trying to tell Trump's rabid fanbase that, yes, his friends could be convicted, but it's totally fine, just stay loyal and vote for him anyhow, he's not really guilty it'll be overturned.

Dershowitz is...many things, but I do think he's capable of planning ahead. I think it's telling that he's admitting, in public, that Team Trump is going to jail, even if I think he's trying to put a positive spin on "Hey guys, we need you to vote for a convicted felon".

But this is a strategy Team Trump has no choice but to embrace. Every day, we see a new argument by a respected Constitutional scholar saying Trump should be ineligible, because of the 14th of course. (Even if this was challenged in court now, it would not reach SCOTUS by the election) Add this to the growing list of classic conservatives saying in public Trump cannot win the general election, of course.

And yet, Trump supporters will press forward. He's a proven liar, a proven loser, adulterer, thief, literal world laughingstock, and possibly soon convicted felon. And 37% of Republicans will continue to vote for him, even if he's convicted. Or at least that's what that poll I quoted yesterday says, I guess they could have lied, they are Trump supporters after all.

So that's what it's coming to. "Yes, I know he got convicted for being a traitor to this country you say you love. Vote for him anyway."

[Odinfrost]

You see it in his legal filings literally every time. It's put there by his people who don't want to be fired, so they slather it on thick, catering to the "I didn't lose" crowd of one.

Related: Dershowitz hints at a new five stages of grief parallel.

According to his new attempt to temper expectations, some of the trials, namely "in New York and Florida, in Washington, and in Fulton County", will--

"Isn't that all of them?"

Yes. These will get some convictions, but these convictions will be overturned conveniently after the election. In other words, Mr. "We're not retreating, we're falling back to regroup on purpose" sounds like he's trying to tell Trump's rabid fanbase that, yes, his friends could be convicted, but it's totally fine, just stay loyal and vote for him anyhow, he's not really guilty it'll be overturned.

Dershowitz is...many things, but I do think he's capable of planning ahead. I think it's telling that he's admitting, in public, that Team Trump is going to jail, even if I think he's trying to put a positive spin on "Hey guys, we need you to vote for a convicted felon".

But this is a strategy Team Trump has no choice but to embrace. Every day, we see a new argument by a respected Constitutional scholar saying Trump should be ineligible, because of the 14th of course. (Even if this was challenged in court now, it would not reach SCOTUS by the election) Add this to the growing list of classic conservatives saying in public Trump cannot win the general election, of course.

And yet, Trump supporters will press forward. He's a proven liar, a proven loser, adulterer, thief, literal world laughingstock, and possibly soon convicted felon. And 37% of Republicans will continue to vote for him, even if he's convicted. Or at least that's what that poll I quoted yesterday says, I guess they could have lied, they are Trump supporters after all.

So that's what it's coming to. "Yes, I know he got convicted for being a traitor to this country you say you love. Vote for him anyway."

See, depending on whenever a verdict for the georgia and jan 6 case happens, and he is found guilty, even if they wanted to vote for him, they can't because of the 14th.
Or they can't vote because they're in prison for trying to burn their local town to the ground