Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Edge-]

https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/23/polit...nse/index.html

Judge says Clark and Meadows need to show up and get arrested.

[Breccia]

Unsexiest mob of all time indeed.

Video didn't load. I had to refresh the rampage.

On topic: Clark's motion denied. I haven't read the legal filing, but I'm guessing it's on the strong legal grounds of "you're just making shit up at this point, sit down".

I do have the motion for Willis rebutting Meadows. His request was also denied, I don't have that judge's ruling yet, either. To make up for that, here's the Washington Examiner, a known conservative source.

Former Trump administration officials Mark Meadows and Jeffrey Clark had both asked U.S. District Judge Steve Jones to block District Attorney Fani Willis from arresting them by a Friday at noon deadline for the 19 defendants in the sweeping racketeering case to turn themselves in. Both former officials say their case should be handled in federal courts because they were working under the executive branch at the time of their alleged crimes.

In two separate orders, Jones sided with Willis, holding that Clark's request to remove his case to federal court was "premature" and similarly denying Meadows's request. Both defendants will have to surrender to authorities by noon on Friday or risk Willis filing an arrest warrant.

Willis argued there is no basis for both defendants' request to delay their arrest and their bid to remove their case from state court, telling Meadows, Trump's former chief of staff, that his former boss "voluntarily agreed to surrender himself to state authorities, while other defendants have already surrendered," according to a 13-page response to Meadows's effort.

“Federal courts have repeatedly denied requests to interfere in state criminal prosecutions,” Willis’s team wrote. “Generally, only in cases of proven harassment or prosecutions taken in bad faith without hope of obtaining a valid conviction is federal intervention against pending state prosecutions appropriate.”

The response to Meadows and Clark marks the most Willis has said since indicting the former president and 18 others last week on charges that they schemed to subvert the 2020 election in the Peach State.

The Washington Examiner also says Chesebro is actually trying to push his trial forwards. Hey, remember that one scene in Fast and Furious where there's a gas truck rolling down the highway and the main character speeds towards it, trying to duck under it before it hit him and exploded, and in the movie the car just happens to time the gap perfectly whereas in real life it would be crushed like a Hot Pocket? That's what Chesebro is trying, I think. By rushing the court date, he might be trying to get at the prosecution before they're ready. Um, the charges were for crimes two and a half years ago. They're ready.

...or, he wants to be first in line for plea bargains. I will allow that.

Well W.E. doesn't give CNN points, they're actually a reliable source that didn't get sued for a billion dollars for knowingly pushing election fraud lies. Hmm, where can I find some CNN points...

(checks foxnews.com)

Yep, that's Dark Bradon. *ding*

So CNN made an interesting point about the plane Giuliani was in when he arrived to be arrested just now.

"Oh, was it Trump's plane?"

Fuck, no. But it was a private jet.

"...isn't Giuliani claiming he's broke?"

Yes.

"Do broke people fly private jets all that often?"

The assumption is no, at least.

EDIT:

Judge says Clark and Meadows need to show up and get arrested.

(sighs)...it's like...every damn time with you.

[Edge-]

(sighs)...it's like...every damn time with you.

It's the storytelling man. We all do it, it's our Achilles heel in terms of being first with the news.

[Breccia]

It's the storytelling man.

Dude, I'm a math teacher. If I don't tell stories, my students fall asleep. Come sit in on my continuous interest class sometime, we go over the Battle of New Orleans and how much of a war crime grapeshot is.

[Shadowferal]

Sydney Powell

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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/jus...tup-rcna101518

After basking in conspiracy theories about the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol, some supporters of former President Donald Trump are worried that a rally Trump is promoting outside the Fulton County Jail in Georgia ahead of his expected surrender in the state election interference case is an FBI setup.

The rally, promoted by the far-right activist Laura Loomer, is anticipated to take place at 10 a.m. ET on Thursday, the day Trump has said he plans to turn himself in. Trump posted a link to a Newsweek article about the rally on his social media platform, Truth Social, as well as a screenshot of a Loomer post calling on Trump supporters to gather at the jail.

On both Truth Social and X, the Elon Musk-owned platform formerly known as Twitter, conservative users worried that undercover law enforcement officials and antifa activists were behind the rally, planning to use it as a "setup" to arrest Trump supporters.

"Watch out for the FBI and antifa/blm to stir up a riot," one social media user with the display name "Ultra Maga" wrote.

"Be careful, it could be a setup just like the J6," wrote another user. "Watch out for FBI plants," echoed another user. "They can play havoc with your peaceful plans." The social media posts were highlighted by Advance Democracy, a non-partisan research organization.

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Of course it's extra stupid with Loomer involved, but it's hilarious how the Trump base are so terrified and see secret feds everywhere. Who knows, Trump himself might actually be a part of the DEEP STATE!

Real though, I genuinely wonder how people this detached from reality get through their day to day lives.

[Breccia]

"some supporters of former President Donald Trump are worried that a rally Trump is promoting outside the Fulton County Jail in Georgia ahead of his expected surrender in the state election interference case is an FBI setup."

Easy solution: don't go.

The end.

[Shadowferal]

The mugshots so far...

[Edge-]

The mugshots so far...

I appreciate so many things.

The super inconsistent lighting
The poor quality of the images in general
Some of them smiling like goofballs like Ellis and Shafer
Others trying to meanmug in their mugshots like Stallings
Others having big "deer in headlights" energy like Eastman

Lotta gray hair in this crowd, too. Senior citizen types. Speaking of which I wonder if Rudy's running into some financial trouble, because his hair dye doesn't seem like it's been refreshed for a bit.

[gondrin]

The mugshots so far...

Gah, the worst part of all of those, outside of Shafer, they all have the EXACT same look in their eyes. Like something just isn't right type of look. Freaks me out.

I know they are a bit looney but man, those mugshots really show it.

[Surfd]

Gah, the worst part of all of those, outside of Shafer, they all have the EXACT same look in their eyes. Like something just isn't right type of look. Freaks me out.

I know they are a bit looney but man, those mugshots really show it.

I know, right. Like, that mug of Powell pretty much screams "holy shit this lady be cray cray".

[AntiFascistVoter]

So similar to cultists mugshots.


The face of the Claremont Institute and Chpman University Law .... John Eastman. Lol he got arrested before being disbarred.

[Breccia]

Lol he got arrested before being disbarred.

He was one of the people begging for one of his trials be pushed back so he could go to his other trial, right?

According to the NYTimes rolling feed, DeSantis went on Hannity...this civil war is getting interesting ain't it. Hannity asked why DeSantis hasn't deferred to Trump and just stepped aside, since Trump endorsed him in 2018. DeSantis apparently didn't give the easy answer, "he didn't in 2022" and instead said that nobody was entitled to loyalty.

He then stomped out of the studio right past the reporters asking for questions.

But of course, I cannot pass up this headline from Maggie Haberman, American Hero:

In a safe space, Trump belittles rivals and revisits some favorite themes.

Instead of being subjected to the rigors of a debate, Trump enjoyed an hour on Wednesday night in which he was able to deliver mostly stream-of-consciousness commentary on politics and the state of the nation, drifting from topics such as the death of Jeffrey Epstein and the challenges of low water pressure to what President Biden’s legs look like on the beach and what he called the “trivia” of the charges lodged against him in four criminal indictments.

Ah, yes, what America needs to discuss in these trying times: what Biden's legs look like. Discussed, of course, by a man whose weight we're about to learn is 300 pounds.

His decision to sit out the debate and instead do a pretaped interview with the former Fox News host Tucker Carlson was a tactical one by Mr. Trump, who is leading the Republican primary polls by wide margins. Rather than appearing onstage with people competing with him but largely refusing to criticize him, Mr. Trump was able to use the leading and sympathetic questioning by Mr. Carlson to boast about what he saw as his accomplishments, belittle his rivals and attack President Biden in an unchallenged format.

Trump is a fragile fucking snowflake. Trump supporters, your leader is a fragile fucking snowflake. The interview was taped, he didn't do the debate because he's a coward.

Early in the 46-minute episode of Mr. Carlson’s show, posted on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter, Mr. Carlson asked Mr. Trump why he chose not to join the other candidates at the first primary debate of the election cycle, hosted by Fox News. Mr. Trump replied by attacking Asa Hutchinson, the former governor of Arkansas, and Chris Christie, the former governor of New Jersey and Mr. Trump’s onetime friend, whom he called a “savage maniac.”

Mr. Trump maintained that authoritarians around the globe were afraid of tangling with him. He again described the attack on the Capitol by a pro-Trump mob on Jan. 6, 2021, as having a spirit of “love” and “unity.”

He did all of this, where nobody could challenge him. Because he's a fragile fucking snowflake, and a craven fucking coward.

[Surfd]

Ah, yes, what America needs to discuss in these trying times: what Biden's legs look like. Discussed, of course, by a man whose weight we're about to learn is 300 pounds.

The irony of Trump, who probably hasn't worn a bathing suit on a beach in several decades because he knows how bad it would be for his image, pondering what Biden's legs might look like is just nuts. Like, I threw up in my mouth a little bit even attempting to picture what Trump might look like in shorts, and he's throwing shots a Biden? At least Biden can manage a bicycle you orange christmas ham mother fucker.

[Breccia]

and he's throwing shots a Biden?

Remember when he called Christie fat and Fiorina ugly?

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Two more things.

1) Earlier, Cannon...hold on.

It will be appealed and there are other trials.

I wouldn't be surprised if the 5th Circuit (I think that's the one) has to slap her down and remind her about some of the basics of her job. Again.

You could be right.

So Cannon questioned why Smith had a grand jury in DC when charges were already handed down in Florida. Well, Smith responded.

I would love to say I'm getting better at reading these. I would also like to say I was six-six and rich. I am closer to six-six than I am to the ground, but that's about it. So forgive me if I'm off one a few details, but I think I have the general idea.

The issue revolves around multiple Mar-a-Lago people of interest and the lawyer Stanley Parable, fuck, Stanley Woodward. Woodward was basically jumping back and forth between clients and making...questionable decisions, hence the conflict of interest issue that required the grand jury.

Okay, so, it looks like Woodward was representing "Trump Employee 4" now a witness for the prosecution, in March 2023. Because Woodward was representing multiple people, the prosecution flat-out told him there was a potential conflict of interest, as he was being paid by Trump, and on the record, Woodward denied it. After this, while represented by Woodward mind you, Trump Employee 4 perjured himself, saying he did not...hold on.

A maintenance worker was proven to have lied under oath back in July, has now dropped his Trump Attorney, and has now flipped. This was the guy that was told to delete the security camera footage by Walt Nauta.

Yes, that. So we're up to June/July and Woodward was still denying conflicts of interest. That's why there was a DC hearing June 27, which Woodward knew about, and did not object to. At this hearing, the judge who was not Cannon recommended Trump Employee 4 take a public defender.

(twenty seconds passed)

Trump Employee 4, sweating and terrified, immediately turned on everyone. I'm not exaggerating by much. Minimal contact with a public defender, not Woodward, and he realized what was happening to him. My read? Trump Employee 4 was not just told to hold the line, but also, was told not to talk to anyone else. I think the term is gaslighting, or indoctrinated, or hostage.

Smith then goes to cite precedent. Like, a lot of it. He even says "yes I found one case where a grand jury to do this was not allowed, but that decision was overturned, I'm telling you this so you know I've been thorough and taking your request seriously". Smith has the patience of multiple saints.

To be sure, the Messino court "decline[d] to create a per se rule against excluding evidence to remedy a conflict of interest", but Nauta has not identified any case, and the Government is unaware of one, in which a court has excluded evidence to avoid a conflict on facts remotely similar to this case, where the Govenment put Mr. Steamer, fuck, Mr. Woodward, on notice long ago about potential conflicts, and he is now seeking to affirmatively used those conflicts to gain a tactical advantage at trial by excluding highly incriminating evidence [EDITOR: Trump Employee 4's testimony, I think] to the benefit of not only his own client but also a co-defendant (Trump) whose PAC is paying his legal fees. The Court should not countenance this maneuver.

Woodward told Trump Employee 4, to lie, to protect Trump Employer 1. He instructed him to perjure himself, to save a different client.

You can't do that.

A lawyer is required to represent their client, not other people who happen to be around. And Woodward was caught red-handed doing exactly that.

I think Cannon is fucked. If she doesn't immediately concede Smith's point, it will be taken up on appeal, she'll be slapped down even harder than last time, and after both of those, she might be yoinked off the case. Yes, I know how hard that is. Yes, I stand by that. @cubby might convince me otherwise but that's it. In fact, I don't even know if Smith wrote this response to Cannon, but basically, to the Appeals Court waiting in the wings. If Cannon keeps making these kind of one-sided undefendable motions, I honestly think her ability to handle the case will be called into question.

Cannon might be fucked, but I think it's clear Woodward is fucked. Maybe he was involved in some other conspiracy to defend Trump from all his crimes, maybe not, but if there is objective evidence of him asking a client to lie to the feds to save another person, he could be disbarred. Hell, he might be arrested, perjury is a crime.

But hey, another Trump lawyer being unethical and committing crimes isn't exactly news these days.

2) Fucking fragile snowflake, fucking coward Trump is trying to go to the debates after all. By which I mean, he's responding to things said in the debate on his Chinese Twitter knockoff, and yes, after what happened to Twitter, that's an even stronger insult.

What Trump says when he's not under oath doesn't matter. Trump is a proven liar. But he's trying to "debate" from his safe space of not having people ask him questions, and people not being able to respond to that.

The term for this is "coward".

[Dontrike]

https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/23/polit...nse/index.html

Judge says Clark and Meadows need to show up and get arrested.

These two are the only hopes I have of one of these dozen plus people not showing up. It would be so nice to add a bit more whip cream to this Found Out cake.

[Breccia]

So, we know Trump replaced a lawyer on the case for which he's due to surrender today. Major changes in a case's development can lead to swaps, so I guess that makes sense. The NYTimes reports that no, this isn't standard, Trump is just firing someone.

The lawyer on his way out is Drew Findling. Hmm. Have we seen that name before?

(searches MMO-C)

Looks like not. Well, other than today, has his name made the headlines?

(searches system of tubes)

Drew Findling: Trump's new lawyer once called him 'racist, cruel'

In 2017, he tweeted that President Trump's firing of the federal prosecutor in Manhattan was "a sign of FEAR that [the prosecutor] would aggressively investigate the stench hovering" over him.

Two months later, he again took issue with the then-president over his stance on the Central Park Five, a group of teenagers wrongfully convicted in the rape of a white jogger in New York's Central Park in 1989.

Huh. No longer asking why he was fired, asking why he was hired and why he took the job. That dude's not getting paid.

Findling was hired a year ago and it made headlines, just ones nobody here cited. As the AP reported at the time:

The Findling Law Firm said in a statement released Thursday that it has been hired, along with attorneys Jennifer Little and Dwight Thomas, to represent Trump.

Findling said in an emailed statement that he is a “passionate advocate against injustice” and will “strongly defend” Trump.

“I may differ politically from many of my clients, but that doesn’t change my commitment to defend against wrongful investigations,” Findling said. “In this case, the focus on President Trump in Fulton County, Georgia is clearly an erroneous and politically driven persecution and along with my office and co-counsel, I am fully committed to defend against this injustice.”

Little, a former prosecutor, said in an emailed statement that the attorneys were “handpicked” on Trump’s behalf and that “the composition of our team only adds to the integrity of his defense.”

Oh, sorry, Little isn't being fired.

Anyhow Findling apparently had a rep for defending hip-hop personalities and may have been recommended to Trump by Kanye West. And I'm just guessing here, but you don't keep a lawyer for an exact calendar year, then fire him on the day you get cuffed and fingerprinted, if your case is going great.

[Kathranis]

Ah, yes, what America needs to discuss in these trying times: what Biden's legs look like. Discussed, of course, by a man whose weight we're about to learn is 300 pounds.

TBH he looks like he's been losing weight lately, not sure if it's due to stress or if he went on Ozempic or something.


Anyway, today's the day. Who's excited?

[Breccia]

Anyway, today's the day. Who's excited?

Eh, even innocent people get fingerprinted and their picture taken. I'm more stoked about the co-conspirators turning on each other, you know, the proof that he's guilty being splashed across the front page.

...but yes, the mug shot will be a black eye. Trump's image is arguably more important than his life to him.

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Jordan attempts probe into Georgia Trump prosecution.

The timing of this prosecution reinforces concerns about your motivation. You did not bring charges until two-and-a-half years later, at a time when the campaign for the Republican presidential nomination is in full swing. Moreover, you have requested that the trial in this matter begin on March 4, 2024, the day before Super Tuesday and eight days before the Georgia presidential primary

UPDATE: GA DA responds with "Okay, how about October?"

I guess Chesebro gets his speedy trial after all?

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So once again, Allen Douchewhizz. Fuck, I spelled it wrong. Alan Douchewhizz.

The word ‘find’ has a dictionary meaning. It means they’re there, they’re there to be found. Just please look hard and look for them. That’s what we did in Florida. We thought there were enough votes that could put Gore over the top.

He then immediately said it shouldn't be a crime anyway, just a reason not to vote for Trump. Yeah, heard that before, that politicians can't be criminals, they just need to win a popularity contest.

Okay, back to that statement. First of all, Gore conceded Dec 13.

Second of all, his own argument is invalidated by the man he's trying to defend. By that argument's own logic, if Trump lost and he thought it was unfair that he lost, he should just run again. He is running again. But Trump took many actions, including crimes, rather than just taking the L and waiting till 2024. If Trump didn't think it was an election issue, than he should be treated as such.

Third of all, yes, this seems to be another call that Trump believed the votes existed. Nobody who has used this defense has explained why. As a reminder, if I point a gun at the bank teller and ask for the money, whether I believe the money is mine or not doesn't absolve me from robbing the bank. I suppose it's possible someone lied to me and handed me a gun, in which case, they're guilty too. And it's possible such a person would be insane, unable to tell what items are his or not, and guess what, they go to a locked padded room.

But there has yet to be a viable defense as to why Trump would feel, with his fragile fucking snowflake feelings, that he had the votes when he did not. We know the votes did not exist, Georgia did not find them, they looked, they did not exist. Trump was wrong. But he should have known by then he was wrong, he lost every court case he tried. Well no, he sued before the phone call and dropped the suit after, claiming Kemp had settled, and Kemp denied this. The vote was audited Nov 11 and certified Nov 20. Trump challenged, Georgia recounted, he still lost Dec 7th.

By the phone call, Trump had lost Georgia three times, and one of his own judges had said he had no more legal recourse to challenge. Any reasonable person should have known that Trump lost. Trump's belief the votes existed was because he was insane, or because he was lying. Trump has yet to admit he was wrong and nobody is claiming he's insane.

Now, I love me some winners and losers lists. I've been known to dabble myself. So of course, I'm going to cite TheHill in their winners and losers of the debate.

They listed Christie as a winner, not a real surprise, they listed FOX News as a winner for yelling at the crowd to shut up...sometimes. And they listed Nikki Haley as a winner for pointing out that she had actual foreign relations experience and that Trump sickophant--

"That's not how it's spelled."

So...Alen Douchewhizz? Anyhow, Haley called out Ramaswamy as siding with Putin the murderer over Ukraine the pro-American country, and Trump for being the most disliked politician in America.

"Har har. What did she really call him?"

And we have to face the fact that Trump is the most disliked politician in America. We can't win a general election that way.

-- Nikki Haley, last night

But TheHill also called out Pence as a winner. In fact, they did so first. And it's...disturbing.

One, Pence apparently was able to defend his views on making American laws about abortion backed by Bible passages. I mean, what choice does he have, but we're still not a nation built on a church.

Two, Pence -- look, just read it.

Early on, Pence took a clear swipe at the 38-year-old Ramaswamy, saying, “Now is not the time for on-the-job training. We don’t need to bring in a rookie.”

"What's wrong with that?"

2016 is what's wrong with that. Remember how people said Trump would grow into the role? Remember how he didn't? Remember when Pence said

We will absolutely accept the result of the election. Look, the American people will speak in an election that will culminate on November the 8th.

Oh shit, that was October 2016, after Trump said he'd accept the result of the election, if he won, and got massive applause.. Wow, how did I get that quote wrong? Is my face blue.

So maybe you could make the call Pence won the debate as a sealed system, but he still is acting like a priest rather than a governor, and he's hoping people forgot his record. If Pence really didn't feel that on-the-job training was allowed, he shouldn't have worked with Trump, who has yet to win a popular vote and at the time had yet to hold public office even once.

The loser was DeSantis, who TheHill points out ran for office as "the" nonTrump and is no longer the sole option.

TheHill did not call out if Trump won/lost the debate, probably because he wasn't there, but of course, Trump won. As I pointed out last night, Trump tried to engage from his safe space, his fragile fucking snowflake feelings hurt, by sending social media posts that could not be moderated or responded to by the candidates.

Because he's a coward. Trump supporters, your candidate is a fucking coward. And your lack of willingness, nay, lack of ability to respond should be telling you something. I'll let you figure out what it is on your own.

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Oh, one more thing.

The teaser released by Carlson had him ask Trump this question:

It started with protests against you … and then it moved to impeachment twice and now indictment. I mean the next stage is violence. Are you worried that they’re going to try and kill you? Why wouldn’t they try and kill you? Honestly.

In the teaser, Trump didn't say yes or no, but instead called "they" sick. I would go into detail as to what that means, but apparently, that's not what Trump said in response. So, crisis averted.

The actual response:

I think the people of our country don’t get enough credit for how smart they are

That's just too vague to have any meaning other than your own pre-conceived notions. So, no, Trump did not say he believed there was a conspiracy to kill him. Crisis averted. Last night, I sent out a PM to some of our mods on that topic, because if the leader of a major party was pushing a conspiracy theory ("they" were going to kill him) we were going to need new ground rules, because the rules would otherwise have required every Trump supporter to be reported every single post for supporting that conspiracy theory. Hey, I don't make the rules.

But Trump didn't support that, only making a really vague statement that could be interpreted to mean anything. So I will interpret it to mean "Chef Breccia should get more credit for being so smart about what a fucking coward, fragile fucking snowflake, and lying loser I, Donald Trump, am."

[Paranoid Android]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/jack-s...ng-maga-lawyer

Posted about 40 minutes ago. A maintenance worker was proven to have lied under oath back in July, has now dropped his Trump Attorney, and has now flipped. This was the guy that was told to delete the security camera footage by Walt Nauta.

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https://www.axios.com/2023/08/22/geo...-elector-trump

This is getting fun. Indicted ex-GOP says the fake electors were acting at Trump's direction.

A little late to this but I'm not sure if anyone could just offer to pay this person's attorney fees to flip(?) or put more mildly get out of the claws of Trump's attorneys.

Always strange that criminals can co-conspirator with each other by paying for another person's lawyer when a) That lawyer's loyalty in the end is to Trump and b) The maintenance person here has to be loyal cause Trump is paying for his lawyer, the person trying to keep him out of jail.

So yeah why not Soros (dun, dun dun!!!) just pay for the attorney. Idk with procedure if this ironically would be seen as influence a witness by then paying for this person to testify against Trump.

I'm too lazy to look up all this legal theory bs. So just asking.