Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Gorsameth]

If Melania could divorce Trump and not lose everything she would be gone already.

That is not to say she isn't extra pissed at Trump for using Brannon.

[Odinfrost]

"But Biden", Trump exclaims....

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...78f0f339&ei=26

My favorite part of this is that Trump accuses Biden of taking thousands of boxes of documents.
I am so happy to see him be so salty that about him being in trouble for not returning the documents, while Biden avoided all that shit by actually complying.

[Breccia]

When even the Associated Press is calling you out, you know you have a problem.

With Donald Trump facing felony charges over his attempts to overturn the 2020 election, Trump is flooding the airwaves and his social media platform with distortions, misinformation and unfounded conspiracy theories about his defeat.

It’s part of a multiyear effort to undermine public confidence in the American electoral process as he seeks to chart a return to the White House in 2024. There is evidence that his lies are resonating: New polling from The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research shows that 57% of Republicans believe Democrat Joe Biden was not legitimately elected as president.

While the rest of the AP article is stuff we already knew -- states did recounts, court challenges failed, the claims of voter fraud had no evidence because they didn't exist -- that 57% is concerning.

Well, it's more than halfway, it's recent, and a seriously-done poll by a reputable source. I guess we have no choice but to assume any given Trump supporter, including any Trump supporting posters here, fit the majority unless they say otherwise. From now on, any Trump supporter should be assumed to still, to this day, believe that Trump won and Biden lost the election, despite no evidence backing that.

"Surely some people answering the poll lied."

Saying that you believe the election was rigged when you don't is worse. At least insane people have an excuse. People who say it's rigged when it isn't are intentionally lying, just like Trump is, to spread misinformation and distrust of democracy. Without a dividing line in the poll to work with, I'll go with "they believe the election was stolen with no evidence" also known as "conspiracy theory" and at least I have evidence to back my opinion.

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Speaking of polls, Trump is not a fan of the last one.

See, FOX News *ding* asked a poll to debate watchers. You know, the debate they hosted? Asking about their own show, their own content? Pretty standard stuff.

Trump was upset that he, the person who voluntarily skipped the debate, wasn't an option on the poll.

No, really.

The Globalists over at FoxNews and their subservient 'paper,' The Wall Street Journal, in their never ending quest to stop America First, and give Ron DeSanctimonious one last HOPELESS push, have created the dumbest Poll yet. It states 'What candidates are you voting for among likely GOP primary voters who WATCHED THE DEBATE?'

I wasn’t going to bring this up but no TRUMP VOTER watched the debate, which was the lowest rated ever, because they were ALL watching my interview with Tucker Carlson!

The Interview has, at this moment, 260,000,000 Views, the biggest of all time, whereas the FoxNews Debate had only 11,000,000 Viewers. End of story! If FoxNews doesn’t get on board the greatest MOVEMENT of all time, MAGA, they will continue to Hemorrhage Viewers and Ratings - They will never come back - The beautiful Golden Goose will be forever gone!

I've already dealt with Trump's false viewership claims. The fact that he's repeating them is as unsurprising as it is sad, pathetic, lame-ass, limp-dick, and IMPOTUS. By Trump's own fictional figures, more people watched than can vote, including every Democrat, and either children or non-Americans. By his own twisted logic, a poll amongst the Carlson watchers would be useless to him anyhow.

Incidentally, WaPo backs my play. For every six Republicans who watched the debate, they said, only one watched Carlson.

But, Trump seems to take issue with FOX News asking their debate watchers who watched their debate about their debate they just watched. That's...fucking stupid, but okay. So I'll just pick another one.

The Washington Post, FiveThirtyEight and Ipsos conducted a poll before and after last night’s debate with potential Republican primary and caucus voters, including those who watched the debate.

And they thought Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis came out on top Wednesday night, with 29 percent of Republican voters who watched the debate saying he performed best. He was nearly matched by former pharmaceutical executive Vivek Ramaswamy, with 26 percent saying he performed best. The findings may be surprising because DeSantis generally stayed above the fray in a raucous debate, though Ramaswamy received and delivered lots of barbs.

They are positioned in the following order: DeSantis 29%, Ramaswamy 26%, Haley 15%, Pence 7%, Christie and Scott 4%, Burgum and Hutchinson 1%. Alongside the track are three categories. None of these candidates: 13%. Did not qualify: Hurd and Suarez. Did not participate: Trump.

Oh, the NYTimes did a focus group, too. Good luck blaming them on FOX News.

Here's Bloomberg! (They are citing WaPo but they are doing so gleefully so you can guess where it's going)

This is just more of the same from Trump. Anything he doesn't like is fake news, rigged, or "the jury said I didn't technically rape her". If he didn't like the results asked about people who had the guts to show up for the debate, maybe he should have showed up. We'll see what happens at the next one, but when even Mike Pence is showing courage that Trump lacks, I'm not holding my breath.

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I have the Staysure Senior PGA Championship in Aberdeen, Scotland, on my great course, and I can’t go. I have to stay around and fight off the Crazed Radical Left Lunatics, Communists, Marxists, and Fascists.

I wouldn’t want to be in Europe and watch this COUNTRY DESTROYING Scum work their disgusting and illegal 'magic' on unsuspecting Republican 'leaders' who just don’t think it is appropriate to Fight Fire With Fire. BUT WE WILL WIN. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!

I have to admit, I'm a little lost on this one. What is the "magic" Trump refers to? At first I thought he meant "election fraud", that would mean he was ordering Republicans to commit crimes, that is 100% on the Trump brand. But then I thought, he might be asking Republicans to simply jail Democrats for fictional crimes, as he claims the crimes against him are fictional. But, either way, he said it was illegal, and then asked Republicans to fight fire with fire meaning using the same tactics, so either way, he's asking Republicans to commit crimes.

Anyone else want to take a swing at this one? The post, not the poster, of course. I shouldn't have to clarify, but unlike some people, I want it to be clear I'm not endorsing people commit crimes. We already have the leader of the Republican Party for that.

[VMSmith]

If Melania leaves the narrative becomes that shes the money grubbing whore that left him when he needed her the most.

It's also worth remembering that Christian Republicans tend to believe that women should not be allowed to initiate divorce at all, only men hold that privilege. A woman filing for divorce is still technically scandalous, despite all the Republican women who do it. If Melania filed for divorce the religious right would be up in arms against her.

[Breccia]

Oh, apparently Trump wasn't done talking about golf.

I am pleased to report, for those that care, that I just won the Senior Club Championship (must be over 50 years old!) at Bedminster (Trump National Golf Club), shooting a round of 67. Now, some people will think that sounds low, but there is no hanky/lanky. Many people watch, plus I am surrounded by Secret Service Agents. Not much you can do even if you wanted to, and I don’t.

“For some reason, I am just a good golfer/athlete – I have won many Club Championships, and it is always a great honor!

So not only did Tr--

"Hanky-lanky?"

I just cut and paste, dude. So not only did Trump win yet another tournament in which he sets all the rules and pays all the staff, it's not even a secret how badly he cheats.

One

Of the 144 rounds played at Bedminster by LIV golfers, six shot 67 or lower.

Seems a little suspicious already, what with Trump being nearly 80 and fat.

Two, the book Commander in Cheat: How Golf Explains Trump was published in 2019, and is used as a parallel between Trump's golf game and Trump's everything in real life game. Just read down the list of critical reviews, and more importantly who wrote them.

And three, Trump declared himself the winner of the previous contest he hosted and paid all the staff of. In January, it was the Senior Club Championship at Trump International Golf Club in Palm Beach. Trump didn't play the first round, he wasn't even in the state, he was attending Diamond's funeral. Competitors showed up for the second round on the second day, and Trump was in the lead by five shots.

Yeah, as he explained to the event organizers that he picked and he paid, he played a really good round two days before the tournament, and just decided that should count. In an amazing coincidence, there was no documentation of this practice round, but it was better by five strokes than anyone else playing a professional (?) tournament.
It's a shame nobody saw it, that's really quite strong.

Competed against many fine golfers and was hitting the ball long and straight. The reason that I announce this on fabulous TRUTH is that, in a very real way, it serves as a physical exam, only MUCH tougher. You need strength and stamina to WIN, & I have strength & stamina – most others don’t. You also need strength & stamina to GOVERN!

"So, he just admitted he cheats on his physical exam, then?"

I can think of 215 reasons that's true.

Trump's claims are useless without evidence to back them up. And just so we're clear, "the person I paid says I hit 67" does not count. Trump is already known in court for paying people to lie for him. So until video evidence backs up Trump's statements, I will now declare that I shot a 66 and won, despite having never played a golf game without a windmill or a pirate ship on the course. And Trump supporters will have to believe me.

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A woman filing for divorce is still technically scandalous

Well, let's go one step further.

Melania deciding to leave Trump, which would probably cost her huge piles of cash, would be especially scandalous. Because it would mean she's giving up on a generation's work of gold digging and leaving, rather than waiting it out just a little longer until Trump dies. Maybe the message would fall on deaf ears, but it would be loud and clear.

[Nastard]

Melania deciding to leave Trump, which would probably cost her huge piles of cash, would be especially scandalous. Because it would mean she's giving up on a generation's work of gold digging and leaving, rather than waiting it out just a little longer until Trump dies. Maybe the message would fall on deaf ears, but it would be loud and clear.

"Many of you have heard of my recent divorce with my ex-wife Ivanka. Oops, Melania. She didn't leave me, I left HER because she doesn't love America the way I do. She kept saying 'Mr. President, Mr. President. You love America so much and I don't think I could ever love America the way you do.' So you know what I did? I kicked her to the curb. If America isn't good enough for you then you're not good enough for me. So then she thanked me for being the greatest person who ever lived and then she said, 'if in the future it looks like I'm trashing you to the media, just know it's not the real me and a robot made to spread lies.' True story."

That's all it will take and his followers will stop caring. I mean Christ, this fucker tried to overthrow the government and falsely install himself as President. His followers didn't turn on him over that. I don't know how a divorce from a man who has already divorced twice would make any difference whatsoever. After everything he's done at this point, everyone either loves him or hates him and no one is going to waver.

[Endus]

That's all it will take and his followers will stop caring. I mean Christ, this fucker tried to overthrow the government and falsely install himself as President. His followers didn't turn on him over that.

Of course they didn't. They wanted him to do exactly that. This isn't a case of Trump betraying his voters, it's a case of Trump's voters betraying American principles and identity, and acting to break down the nation so they can rebuild it in the fascist white supremacist form they wish it were.

[Dontrike]

Oh, apparently Trump wasn't done talking about golf.

Seems a little suspicious already, what with Trump being nearly 80 and fat.

I can believe Trump could get a 67 in golf, by using his trusty hand wedge.

[Breccia]

This Philadelphia Inquirer OP ED raises an interesting option: the person most likely to pardon Trump...would be President Joe Biden.

So, here's the chain of logic:
a) a President pardoning himself has no guarantee of success. Three days before Nixon resigned, his own DoJ said "no one may be a judge in his own case, the president cannot pardon himself". It has, of course, never been challenged, but Nixon sure believed it.
b) conditions can be attached to pardons. Nixon himself did it with Jimmy Hoffa, pardoning him on the requirement he didn't run for (Teamster) president. Hoffa sued to break the requirement, and lost.
c) the current GOP runners can't do it, because they're not President. And half the field doesn't seem all that eager to do so.
d) Trump is a craven coward, like his followers who refuse to post here, unable to defend their support of a felon and a traitor but wanting to vote for him anyhow.
e) Trump's primary goal of running is to benefit himself, and Trump thinks everything comes down to a deal.

Now, the theory is not perfect. Trump could roll the dice, and other GOP candidates could pledge an unconditional pardon. But the theory seems to be that, if Biden offered a sure thing instead of a gamble or (gasp!) that Trump trust that someone else will keep their word, Trump would take that sure thing as soon as it was clear he was going to lose the election anyhow.

I hate the idea, and I hope it doesn't come up. Trump is flaking on the remaining debates and the risk of the Republican Party splitting grows by the day. I think the status quo has him losing and not getting pardoned, my preferred outcome no question. But I think the theory has some merit.

What do you think? If Biden gave Trump a pardon, conditioned on him leaving the race and staying out, would Trump take it?

[diller]

Honest question - given how often you have expressed that things going on in the world either terrify you or send you into a murderous rage....

How do you function? You sound like someone who is not capable of processing information and current events in a rational manner.

I've said it before and I'll say it again - you really should talk to a professional about your extreme emotions and reactions to things.

When he says 'terrified' he means aroused, he admitted to watching gore videos.

[Gorsameth]

This Philadelphia Inquirer OP ED raises an interesting option: the person most likely to pardon Trump...would be President Joe Biden.

So, here's the chain of logic:
a) a President pardoning himself has no guarantee of success. Three days before Nixon resigned, his own DoJ said "no one may be a judge in his own case, the president cannot pardon himself". It has, of course, never been challenged, but Nixon sure believed it.
b) conditions can be attached to pardons. Nixon himself did it with Jimmy Hoffa, pardoning him on the requirement he didn't run for (Teamster) president. Hoffa sued to break the requirement, and lost.
c) the current GOP runners can't do it, because they're not President. And half the field doesn't seem all that eager to do so.
d) Trump is a craven coward, like his followers who refuse to post here, unable to defend their support of a felon and a traitor but wanting to vote for him anyhow.
e) Trump's primary goal of running is to benefit himself, and Trump thinks everything comes down to a deal.

Now, the theory is not perfect. Trump could roll the dice, and other GOP candidates could pledge an unconditional pardon. But the theory seems to be that, if Biden offered a sure thing instead of a gamble or (gasp!) that Trump trust that someone else will keep their word, Trump would take that sure thing as soon as it was clear he was going to lose the election anyhow.

I hate the idea, and I hope it doesn't come up. Trump is flaking on the remaining debates and the risk of the Republican Party splitting grows by the day. I think the status quo has him losing and not getting pardoned, my preferred outcome no question. But I think the theory has some merit.

What do you think? If Biden gave Trump a pardon, conditioned on him leaving the race and staying out, would Trump take it?

Or, and this is a wild take. We don't pretend like the biggest attack on American democracy in its history didn't happen.

The goal isn't to keep Trump out of the WH. The goal is to show that there is still some justice left in the USA.

[Shadowferal]

What do you think? If Biden gave Trump a pardon, conditioned on him leaving the race and staying out, would Trump take it?

Too big an "if." I can't see Biden offering a qualified pardon. Trump has too big an ego and too big a mouth...which fuel his stupidity. He'd take the pardon, then claim Biden was scared not to give him one. Then he'll mouth off about the restrictions and stipulations...

[Breccia]

FOX News *ding* has taken a novel approach to defending Trump, namely, suggesting the grand jury was illegal.

Exactly what happened in the grand jury room? What kind of deliberations occurred. Again, the issue is probable cause and whether the defendants’ due process rights were abridged.

In Georgia, the grand jurors are free to publicly speak. We saw that earlier when in a prior investigative grand jury, the foreman went on television when its proceedings concluded and would not stop talking about what had occurred among grand jurors, and she did so gleefully. It should not be difficult for defense counsel to get to the bottom of what occurred.

FOX News seems to be pushing yet another conspiracy theory: that Georgia, for some reason, took the most public and biggest case they've ever had, and chose that case of all cases to skip steps and violate people's rights on purpose. The evidence FOX News has seems to be "there was a mountain of evidence, yet the grand jury still convicted almost instantly" which, you know, isn't what a lot of people would go with. (FOX News also reminds everyone that the GA DA didn't technically need the grand jury, so their argument seems to boil down to "she said she did but didn't", again, a strange defense for Trump the serial liar)

It is relevant to note that all three prosecutors had the grand juries vote smack in the middle of a presidential election, and all have demanded trials within months of the indictments – that is, for maximum political damage to candidate Trump, and maximum political benefit to candidate Biden.

And this again. Just a reminder: Trump is the one who announced he was running the very say 2022's elections ended. He was indicted all four times before the first debate, a debate he skipped by the way. Trump announced Sept 2015, proportionately after all of the charges for all those crimes he committed. This is not "the middle of a presidential election"

If, somehow, all three prosecutors...yes, somehow, FOX News thinks all three prosecutors violated Trump's 5th Amendment rights...all broke Trump's rights all at the same time, then the question even FOX News asks is "why haven't Trump's lawyers challenged the grand juries' results yet?"

Where the heck are the defense lawyers for former President Trump and his co-defendants? Why are they so passive?

-- literal sub-headline of the article

See, this is what happens when you armchair quarterback. The author, Mark Levin, is a lawyer, but he seems to be as effective as all of Trump's other lawyers, in other words, not very. I don't remember any Trump lawyers claiming the grand juries were misled or rigged.

And, of course, FOX News has no evidence to back any of these claims. They have unsubstantiated guesswork masquerading as a theory. If Levin wants to defend Trump so much in court, and he thinks Trump's lawyers aren't doing a good job, he's welcome to join them.

[Surfd]

What do you think? If Biden gave Trump a pardon, conditioned on him leaving the race and staying out, would Trump take it?

Not a chance. Trump's entire worldview is transactional, and his ego is way too big to ever allow himself to take a deal that even vaguely looks like he may be the one on the short end of the stick. Guarantee you Trump would rather go to jail than be seen accepting a Get-out-of-jail-free card from someone he has spent the last half a decade building up as the next best thing to Satan himself.

Donald Trump accepting a pardon from Crooked Joe of the Biden Crime Family would be pretty much impossible for him to spin into anything other than abject failure on his part: a deal with the devil where Trump got the raw end. It would absolutely destroy his image like nothing else could.

[Templar 331]

This Philadelphia Inquirer OP ED raises an interesting option: the person most likely to pardon Trump...would be President Joe Biden.

So, here's the chain of logic:
a) a President pardoning himself has no guarantee of success. Three days before Nixon resigned, his own DoJ said "no one may be a judge in his own case, the president cannot pardon himself". It has, of course, never been challenged, but Nixon sure believed it.
b) conditions can be attached to pardons. Nixon himself did it with Jimmy Hoffa, pardoning him on the requirement he didn't run for (Teamster) president. Hoffa sued to break the requirement, and lost.
c) the current GOP runners can't do it, because they're not President. And half the field doesn't seem all that eager to do so.
d) Trump is a craven coward, like his followers who refuse to post here, unable to defend their support of a felon and a traitor but wanting to vote for him anyhow.
e) Trump's primary goal of running is to benefit himself, and Trump thinks everything comes down to a deal.

Now, the theory is not perfect. Trump could roll the dice, and other GOP candidates could pledge an unconditional pardon. But the theory seems to be that, if Biden offered a sure thing instead of a gamble or (gasp!) that Trump trust that someone else will keep their word, Trump would take that sure thing as soon as it was clear he was going to lose the election anyhow.

I hate the idea, and I hope it doesn't come up. Trump is flaking on the remaining debates and the risk of the Republican Party splitting grows by the day. I think the status quo has him losing and not getting pardoned, my preferred outcome no question. But I think the theory has some merit.

What do you think? If Biden gave Trump a pardon, conditioned on him leaving the race and staying out, would Trump take it?

If he accepts the pardon that would mean he admits to insurrection, right? And that would mean he couldn't run for office via the 14th amendment, right?

[Breccia]

Speaking of legal defenses, the NYTimes heard from an expert who brought up a point about Meadows' latest court filing, and why it won't work.

Simply put, as we've all heard by now, Meadows is claiming that this should be a federal case, on the grounds that he was a federal employee. Again, Hatch Act, it wouldn't matter if he was.

But um...the filing by the GA DA mentions that Team Trump was harassing Kemp as far as Sept 2021. Trump, and Meadows, were out of their old office for eight months. And RICO handles the rest.

"Surely he would have been a federal employee if the election hadn't been rigged!"

See earlier bank robbery analogy. If I demand the money at gunpoint, it doesn't matter anymore if it should have been in my account already. Trump lost by all fair, legal, and reasonable accounts. "I should have won" is whining, not a legal basis for anything.

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If he accepts the pardon that would mean he admits to insurrection, right? And that would mean he couldn't run for office via the 14th amendment, right?

Undecided. Trump would challenge both parts of that in court, and insist he be allowed on the ballot until it's decided, and then push the trial back until the election.

[Lenonis]

She files for divorce, his 2024 hopes drop to 0.

Why? You really think Cult45 will care? Trump will just say something along the lines of "I'm the real victim. The communist left brainwashed my soon-to-be ex-wife. This is a hit job by the elites to try to stop me. I'm getting divorced for YOU." and they'll lap it up.

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perhaps my opinion on the Republican Party actually valuing families is a touch outdated.

They elected Trump. Who cheated on multiple wives, made horrible comments about women, and has now been found liable for sexual assualt.

And his support within the GOP remains.

I'm not sure why this is such a blind spot for you when you are normally sharp with the analysis. The GOP is family value is name only. They are the FVNO party.

EDIT: Just want to add the current iteration of "family values" means being anti-LBGT and anti-abortion. Full stop. They couldn't possibly care less about anything else.

[Breccia]

Why? You really think Cult45 will care?

No.

I think the rest of the Republican Party will. I think they've been looking for the exit ramp for a while now, and just need an excuse. The fact that FOX/RNC held the debates without Trump anyhow, and asked about Trump while he wasn't there to defend himself, and that his support is still high but shrinking, backs that. Whether Melania leaving mid-campaign would be the exit ramp they're looking for, or whether they'll hope they have enough gas to make it to the next one, is something we might never find out.

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Trump due in court Sept 6 for his full arraignment. Looks like all his co-defendants will go the same day in 15-minute windows.

[Endus]

This Philadelphia Inquirer OP ED raises an interesting option: the person most likely to pardon Trump...would be President Joe Biden.

So, here's the chain of logic:
a) a President pardoning himself has no guarantee of success. Three days before Nixon resigned, his own DoJ said "no one may be a judge in his own case, the president cannot pardon himself". It has, of course, never been challenged, but Nixon sure believed it.
b) conditions can be attached to pardons. Nixon himself did it with Jimmy Hoffa, pardoning him on the requirement he didn't run for (Teamster) president. Hoffa sued to break the requirement, and lost.
c) the current GOP runners can't do it, because they're not President. And half the field doesn't seem all that eager to do so.
d) Trump is a craven coward, like his followers who refuse to post here, unable to defend their support of a felon and a traitor but wanting to vote for him anyhow.
e) Trump's primary goal of running is to benefit himself, and Trump thinks everything comes down to a deal.

Now, the theory is not perfect. Trump could roll the dice, and other GOP candidates could pledge an unconditional pardon. But the theory seems to be that, if Biden offered a sure thing instead of a gamble or (gasp!) that Trump trust that someone else will keep their word, Trump would take that sure thing as soon as it was clear he was going to lose the election anyhow.

I hate the idea, and I hope it doesn't come up. Trump is flaking on the remaining debates and the risk of the Republican Party splitting grows by the day. I think the status quo has him losing and not getting pardoned, my preferred outcome no question. But I think the theory has some merit.

What do you think? If Biden gave Trump a pardon, conditioned on him leaving the race and staying out, would Trump take it?

Trump would probably take it. He can back some candidate as his effective avatar.

Biden would lose all credibility and demolish whatever legacy he's trying to build for himself. If it happens before the 2024 election, I can nearly guarantee Biden loses to whatever fascist fuckwit the Republicans put up.

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No.

I think the rest of the Republican Party will. I think they've been looking for the exit ramp for a while now, and just need an excuse. The fact that FOX/RNC held the debates without Trump anyhow, and asked about Trump while he wasn't there to defend himself, and that his support is still high but shrinking, backs that. Whether Melania leaving mid-campaign would be the exit ramp they're looking for, or whether they'll hope they have enough gas to make it to the next one, is something we might never find out.

I don't believe there is an effective "rest of the Republican Party". Nearly everyone at that debate stated overtly they'd support Trump for President even if he was convicted. The only two who didn't were Hutchinson and Christie. According to 538; https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...2024/national/

The two of them have a combined polling rate of 4.5% support. Christie's a whopping #6, and Hutchinson may as well not exist.

[Muzjhath]

This Philadelphia Inquirer OP ED raises an interesting option: the person most likely to pardon Trump...would be President Joe Biden.

So, here's the chain of logic:
a) a President pardoning himself has no guarantee of success. Three days before Nixon resigned, his own DoJ said "no one may be a judge in his own case, the president cannot pardon himself". It has, of course, never been challenged, but Nixon sure believed it.
b) conditions can be attached to pardons. Nixon himself did it with Jimmy Hoffa, pardoning him on the requirement he didn't run for (Teamster) president. Hoffa sued to break the requirement, and lost.
c) the current GOP runners can't do it, because they're not President. And half the field doesn't seem all that eager to do so.
d) Trump is a craven coward, like his followers who refuse to post here, unable to defend their support of a felon and a traitor but wanting to vote for him anyhow.
e) Trump's primary goal of running is to benefit himself, and Trump thinks everything comes down to a deal.

Now, the theory is not perfect. Trump could roll the dice, and other GOP candidates could pledge an unconditional pardon. But the theory seems to be that, if Biden offered a sure thing instead of a gamble or (gasp!) that Trump trust that someone else will keep their word, Trump would take that sure thing as soon as it was clear he was going to lose the election anyhow.

I hate the idea, and I hope it doesn't come up. Trump is flaking on the remaining debates and the risk of the Republican Party splitting grows by the day. I think the status quo has him losing and not getting pardoned, my preferred outcome no question. But I think the theory has some merit.

What do you think? If Biden gave Trump a pardon, conditioned on him leaving the race and staying out, would Trump take it?

If it did happen I fucking hope bloody fucking everyone in the US went and overthrew the government and called a constitutional convention after pulling out the guilliotine.

It'd be such a gross misscarriage of justice.