Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Breccia]

So remember the Giuliani defamation case where he refused to provide any evidence and was just summarily "found guilty" and shoved into the damages phase?

"I remember it differently."

So, in that case, the dumbest thing you could do would be to tell the jury you're poor when you're actually rich, right?

"Uh oh."

Jury in Rudy Giuliani defamation case will be informed he hid assets

The federal judge presiding over Rudy Giuliani's defamation case lodged by two Georgia election workers claiming he was trafficking in 2020 presidential election conspiracy theories ruled on Friday that the jury will be informed that he tried to hide his wealth from the court.

"The jury will be instructed that it must, when determining an appropriate sum of compensatory, presumed, and punitive damages, infer that defendant Giuliani was intentionally trying to hide relevant discovery about the Giuliani Businesses’ finances for the purpose of shielding his assets from discovery and artificially deflating his net worth," according U.S. District Court Judge Beryl Howell's ruling.

In the five-page order the D.C. judge excoriated the former New York City mayor and personal attorney for former President Donald Trump for his "continued and flagrant disregard" of the court's request that he produce financial documents "concerning his personal and his businesses’ past and present assets, revenues, income, viewership metrics, and social media reach, all of which information is potentially pertinent at the upcoming damages trial."

I think Giuliani is about to find out how "punative" works.

[Edge-]

So remember the Giuliani defamation case where he refused to provide any evidence and was just summarily "found guilty" and shoved into the damages phase?

"I remember it differently."

So, in that case, the dumbest thing you could do would be to tell the jury you're poor when you're actually rich, right?

"Uh oh."

Jury in Rudy Giuliani defamation case will be informed he hid assets



I think Giuliani is about to find out how "punative" works.

Do you think people like being lied to? Or do you think maybe the jury might be inclined to recommend a larger sum knowing that Rudy not only has more assets, but that he tried to lie about them?

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https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4...speaker-drama/

“So they’ve really stymied, they brought chaos in … Congress and now they’ve tried to stymie our ability to have continuity of Congress, which I think is a real problem, what the Democrats have done,” McCarthy said.

Honestly, fuck Kevin. You know what, the next time he's in town I might actually just drive down to Bakersfield to see if I can tell him what a dishonest, spineless piece of shit he is and remind him that he'll go down in the history books as a humiliated Speaker. And that one time he wrote a book about political leadership with two other guys who aren't in political leadership anymore.

The fuckin casualness with which he lies. Democrats had no obligation to save Kevin from his own party, or America from the Republicans that a majority of districts voted in.

[Elder Millennial]

The fuckin casualness with which he lies. Democrats had no obligation to save Kevin from his own party, or America from the Republicans that a majority of districts voted in.

-This is all your fault! Why didn't you stop me from cutting off my nose to spite my face!

[Dontrike]

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4...speaker-drama/



Honestly, fuck Kevin. You know what, the next time he's in town I might actually just drive down to Bakersfield to see if I can tell him what a dishonest, spineless piece of shit he is and remind him that he'll go down in the history books as a humiliated Speaker. And that one time he wrote a book about political leadership with two other guys who aren't in political leadership anymore.

The fuckin casualness with which he lies. Democrats had no obligation to save Kevin from his own party, or America from the Republicans that a majority of districts voted in.

If only there were things he could have done, like work with democrats and not publicly talk shit about them while he needed to work with them. You can tell he just learned the word stymie too.

[Breccia]

In the continued mountain of evidence that "there is no such thing as vice-cult leader" Mike Lindell is hosting a telethon for his own legal bills Oct 28th.

Just calling it now: it will not raise nearly enough. Because only Trump is Trump.

Oh, Lindell is begging for Jimmy Kimmel to host. Calling it no: no, he won't do that. Hosting that gig sounds way more "Man Show" than he's been in a while.

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Once again, it's...oh hey, the post count is fixed! Thanks, whoever you were!

Once again, it's time for Guess the Speaker!

He attacked Bibi after the country suffered the worst attack it's had in its modern history, when they've just created a war government, they're preparing to do a ground invasion in Gaza. And he did that because Bibi congratulated Biden in November. That's why he did it. He hates Netanyahu because of that. That's about him. That's not about the greater good of what Israel's trying to do or American security.

I would say get rid of your teleprompter. Don't use that as a crutch. Go to debates. Show up and debate for two hours, and then we'll be able to see where he's really coming from. So, we've seen over the course every interview, every time he's gotten off the teleprompter for, like, the last two months, they've had to clean things up for what he's saying.

"That could be literally anyone. Trump relies a lot on teleprompters for the man who said using teleprompters was bad."

Indeed but the person speaking is, of course, Astarion from Baldur's Gate 3. Just kidding, it's Ron DeSantis.

[diller]

Who'd we lose? Was it Imbas? Does me posting fix the page count?

EDIT: It did not fix the page count.

I'm fairly certain it was jonny after the "kill yourself" comment. It wasn't very sensible.

Yep, I had to ask why he wasn't banned when he told me to kill myself for not supporting Israel.

It looks like it's Imbas because all the recent AI threads she made are gone - Johnny was initially banned but the last thing I saw he was already unbanned again, I have nothing personal against him but that just doesn't seem right.

[Captain N]

It looks like it's Imbas because all the recent AI threads she made are gone - Johnny was initially banned but the last thing I saw he was already unbanned again, I have nothing personal against him but that just doesn't seem right.

I think she's back and making threads about the media and Israel/Hamas under a sock puppet, but that's just my own opinion.

[Benggaul]

It looks like it's Imbas because all the recent AI threads she made are gone - Johnny was initially banned but the last thing I saw he was already unbanned again, I have nothing personal against him but that just doesn't seem right.

Oh, so nothing of value was lost.

In related news, FOX's own poll has Trump losing to Biden--though they also have Haley winning against Biden so take it all with a grain of salt. Polls have been especially terrible since the 2016 elections, it seems.

EDIT: I was trying to find it but I'm currently on my phone and it's difficult enough just posting. If I can find it later I'll post a link, otherwise I'm sure someone else can get it up here.

[Breccia]

though they also have Haley winning against Biden so take it all with a grain of salt.

I won't put it past FOX News to be salty, hardee har har, but the conventional wisdom still seems to be "Biden will lose to anyone except Trump". That said, not holding my breath until the GOP nominates a woman who once said mean things about Trump.

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Fat dickless fuck Trump blames Hamas attacks came from Biden.

Our Ruling

Trump said, "Sadly, American taxpayer dollars helped fund these attacks, which many reports are saying came from the Biden administration."

It appears Trump was referring to $6 billion in Iranian money unfrozen as part of a hostage deal struck between the Biden administration and Iran.

One school of thought says that this money could one day allow Iran to spend money on other things, including aid to Hamas. But this much is clear: No U.S. taxpayer dollars made up that $6 billion. It was entirely money that South Korea paid to Iran. Amid sanctions, the money became frozen in banks on the way to Iranian coffers.

We rate the claim False.

I also, as per usual, say that Trump is using "many reports say" to deflect from the fact that he knows he's lying, by pretending some other person said it. Nobody credible would say US tax money was part of the $6 billion. Related: Iran makes ten times that much every year in oil sales alone.

[Edge-]

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donal...b03b213b064da1

“Remember, Republicans eat their young. They really do, they eat their young. Terrible statement. But it’s true.”

Donald is talking some shit again. That's a pretty salacious claim for the "pro-baby" party!

[postman1782]

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trum...%20IPO%20funds.

They lost almost $1 billion in funding from the merger failing, and now they have to return $533 million and have received termination notices on $467 million.

[Breccia]

They lost almost $1 billion in funding from the merger failing, and now they have to return $533 million and have received termination notices on $467 million.

Trump losing out on the billion-dollar deal, because he put up only his name and no staff or infrastructure, is so on-brand I expect your post to get sued.

I don't know enough about this kind of stock deal, despite trying to find out, to figure out the next move. Simply put, it seems to me that there's a sliding scale, depending on how many remaining investors take their money back. The articles I've read aren't 100% clear that DWAC has to return every single cent, but if they do, deal's over, everyone loses, and everyone involved should have seen that coming. Trump will also have a useless Chinese Twitter clone which he'll scrape off the bottom of his shoe, showing his own fans exactly what he thinks of them of course, and go back on Twitter. Yay!

I think it's possible that some investors will say "no, press forward" and Trump will be offered a much lower deal, the amount of money still left. If I'm right and if that's possible, it's a fire sale. I cannot find a good, recent value of how much Trump has paid to keep Truth Social going while the deal stalls, but I have personally posted multiple times when he owed money and didn't pay people (or fired them outright).

And the famous Forbes valuation is about $100 million, the drop to this value kicked Trump off the top 400 and probably in what's left of his balls.

So it's possible some investors will "lowball" by sticking around, offering Trump a fair market value, which he'll have to decide if it's worth it.

There is no good answer for Trump here. His bad decisions have, once again, proved how bad of a businessman he is.

[Kaleredar]

Trump losing out on the billion-dollar deal, because he put up only his name and no staff or infrastructure, is so on-brand I expect your post to get sued.

I don't know enough about this kind of stock deal, despite trying to find out, to figure out the next move. Simply put, it seems to me that there's a sliding scale, depending on how many remaining investors take their money back. The articles I've read aren't 100% clear that DWAC has to return every single cent, but if they do, deal's over, everyone loses, and everyone involved should have seen that coming. Trump will also have a useless Chinese Twitter clone which he'll scrape off the bottom of his shoe, showing his own fans exactly what he thinks of them of course, and go back on Twitter. Yay!

I think it's possible that some investors will say "no, press forward" and Trump will be offered a much lower deal, the amount of money still left. If I'm right and if that's possible, it's a fire sale. I cannot find a good, recent value of how much Trump has paid to keep Truth Social going while the deal stalls, but I have personally posted multiple times when he owed money and didn't pay people (or fired them outright).

And the famous Forbes valuation is about $100 million, the drop to this value kicked Trump off the top 400 and probably in what's left of his balls.

So it's possible some investors will "lowball" by sticking around, offering Trump a fair market value, which he'll have to decide if it's worth it.

There is no good answer for Trump here. His bad decisions have, once again, proved how bad of a businessman he is.

I see all of these numbers being flung around for how much capital was acquired and invested to make bootleg hate twitter a thing. Even if it lost a massive chunk of its value, that it's still worth 100 million dollars, an amount of money that every poster in this thread probably couldn't pool their wealth and achieve, is mind boggling.


Think of all the good that this money could have done going to almost anything else.

[Breccia]

I see all of these numbers being flung around for how much capital was acquired and invested to make bootleg hate twitter a thing. Even if it lost a massive chunk of its value, that it's still worth 100 million dollars, an amount of money that every poster in this thread probably couldn't pool their wealth and achieve, is mind boggling.

I'm assuming the value is based on the ads being sold, and the value of those ads being sold is based on Trump still being there.

When the deal fails, and when Trump returns to Twitter, then Truth Social will be worth what you think it is.

[Benggaul]

When the deal fails, and when Trump returns to Twitter

Of course, Twitter might not be there much longer either...

[Dontrike]

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donal...b03b213b064da1



Donald is talking some shit again. That's a pretty salacious claim for the "pro-baby" party!

And if you don't take it literally it's funny that it comes from a guy that has thrown his children under the bus on a few occasions, most recently with the fraud.

[Iliena]

Trump seeks 'vindication' in UK courts over ex-spy's dossier on alleged Russian sex bribes

Donald Trump's lawyer says he wants to give evidence in the British courts as he sues over the "Steele Dossier" that alleged he bribed officials and took part in sex parties in Russia.

The former president's lawyers told the High Court he is seeking "vindication" for the false allegations from 2017.

They claim the document breaches UK data protection laws.

Mr Steele's company, Orbis Business Intelligence, says it did not make the document public.

The case stems from 2016, when a US political consultancy asked Mr Steele's company to produce a report into potential Russian interference in that year's US general election.

The project was reportedly paid for by Hilary Clinton's Democrats and other political opponents of Mr Trump.

Mr Steele, the former head of MI6's Russia desk, later sent his findings to the FBI, a British national security officer and an aide to a senior US senator.

The dossier, later obtained and published by BuzzFeed News, detailed uncorroborated intelligence claims that Mr Trump had a "compromising relationship with the Kremlin".

On Monday the High Court was told in written submissions that the dossier detailed untrue allegations that Mr Trump had "engaged in perverted sexual behaviour".

Hugh Tomlinson KC, for the 77-year-old former president, said the dossier also falsely claimed he had "paid bribes to Russian officials to further his business interests" and "took part in sex parties in St Petersburg".

"[He] intends to discharge his burden by giving evidence in this court," the lawyer said, should the case go to full trial in the future.

The allegations, the court heard, were at the heart of the claim for damages because they amounted to a breach of the UK's strict data protection laws that govern what can be done with personal information, even if the information is not true.

"The [dossier] contains shocking and scandalous claims about the personal conduct of President Trump," Mr Tomlinson said. "The defendant has never sought to qualify or withdraw the allegation."

He said that Mr Trump "often expresses himself in very strong language and his interactions with the US legal system have been many and varied."

"None of this is relevant to the question of whether the personal data is accurate."

He said Mr Trump "begins this case because he seeks a vindication of his legal rights… that the statements in these memoranda are false."

Trump's witness statement
In his witness statement, Mr Trump told the court he had not had time to sue in the UK before now because he had been busy being president.

"None of these things [in the Steele dossier] ever happened," the statement said.

"I can confirm that I did not, at any time engage in perverted sexual behaviour including the hiring of prostitutes to engage in 'golden showers' in the presidential suite of a hotel in Moscow.

He said the defendant "has made no attempt and provided no evidence to prove that the allegations I complain of are true".

Mr Trump said official investigations had debunked the dossier but it continued "to cause me significant damage and distress" because people still believed it.

"The only way that I can fully demonstrate the total inaccuracies … is to begin these proceedings. A judgment of the English court on this issue will be an immense relief to me."

Antony White KC, for Orbis, told the court that Mr Trump had accepted that the company was not responsible for BuzzFeed's publication of the document.

Watched on by Mr Steele, Mr White told Mrs Justice Steyn the case had no realistic prospect of winning and the former president had run out of time to even start it.

Orbis had never intended the dossier to become public and had long ago destroyed its own copies of the research.

"The claim for compensation is principally based on reputational damage allegedly suffered by the claimant," Mr White said.

"Any reputational damage, and any resulting distress, allegedly suffered will have been caused by the BuzzFeed publication, for which the claimant accepts Orbis is not liable."

The hearing before Mrs Justice Steyn concluded today. Judgment has been reserved.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67123583

Good job Donnie, I'm not going to lie I had forgotten all about this, thanks for the reminder!

I cant help but think he wants to hide out in the UK for a few months and all his other problems will just go away...

[Shadowferal]

Judge grants gag order in Trump's 2020 election case

Chutkan warned Trump's lawyers in August that his out-of-court commentary about the upcoming trial could cause her to move up the trial date in order to prevent the jury pool from being tainted. Prosecutors argued that the warning has not stopped the former president from attacking known witnesses and court officials.

"We are in here today not just because of statements he made before the government's motion, but after, up to last night!" Chutkan said.

Give it a week...

[Breccia]

Chutkan warned Trump's lawyers in August that his out-of-court commentary about the upcoming trial could cause her to move up the trial date in order to prevent the jury pool from being tainted. Prosecutors argued that the warning has not stopped the former president from attacking known witnesses and court officials.

This is a gift to Trump.

He'll test the limits, each time being a new hearing stalling one or two days.

Things will get worse, not better.

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So MTG was present for Trump's gag order. That's interesting. I suppose the Party of Trump is left with nothing but "They don't want us to commit crimes because they're political!"

[Odinfrost]

This is a gift to Trump.

He'll test the limits, each time being a new hearing stalling one or two days.

Things will get worse, not better.

I will say, it's either a gift for Trump, or Chutkan just said "Strike two."