Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

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https://www.newsweek.com/aileen-cann...easier-1835497

Judge Cannon continues the absurd orders.



Now if there are indeed documents that can't legally leave DC, or that this "accredited facility" is not an actual standard for storing classified documents I don't know for certain. But I'm inclined to believe those folks over judge Cannon given her fairly questionable history.

It sure seems like if the issue is the transfer of classified documents to jurisdictions that don't have authority to review them, then the case shouldn't be in that jurisdiction in the first place. Sure seems like Cannon should be acknowledging that and pushing the case off to be tried by a DC judge.

Sure seems like her only reasons for not doing so would be trying to pad her own docket with such a big case and/or being so wildly biased for the plaintiff that she knows a fair trial in another jurisdiction will bury him and she won't let that happen.

[Breccia]

I'm inclined to believe those folks over judge Cannon given her fairly questionable history.

Agreed, the idea of a judge requiring an obstructive mandate neither side asked for seems pretty questionable to me, too.

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So let's talk about Doug Larson.

"The Far Side guy?"

No, that's...no! Jeez. But we don't know who he is, because while Trump Org listed him as an appraiser, he didn't appraise.

Doug Larson's name appears across five years of Donald Trump's financial documents, according to records entered into evidence.

A professional appraiser with the real estate company Newmark, Larson was cited in Trump Organization documents as an expert at valuing properties like 40 Wall Street, Trump Tower, and an adjoining retail space called "Niketown." Spreadsheets entered as evidence explicitly reference multiple phone calls with Larson between 2013 and 2017.

When asked about these phone calls in court, Larson testified that no such conversations occurred.

"Is it fair to say that Mr. Trump valued Trump Tower at $526 million in conjunction with you?" state attorney Mark Ladov asked Larson.

"No, that is incorrect," Larson said.

"Were you aware that Mr. McConney was citing you as a valuation source in his work papers?" Ladov asked.

"No, I was not," replied Larson, who said he did not assist Trump Organization executives in valuing Trump Tower, Niketown, or 40 Wall Street, despite Trump's paperwork referencing him as a source.

Evidence presented by the state instead suggested that the valuations were determined using cherry-picked metrics from a generic email Larson sent clients.

"It's a way to get your name out to clients for potential work," Larson said about one such "email blast" that was used in a Trump Tower valuation.

Larson added that the valuations Trump Organization executives determined based on "consultation" with him used flawed methodologies, such as using capitalization rates related to office buildings to appraise the retail Niketown building.

"It doesn't make sense," Larson said about Niketown's $287 million valuation.

"It's inappropriate and inaccurate," Larson said about the Trump Organization relying on his name to support their valuations. "I should have been told, and appraisals should have been ordered."

That's right: Trump Org based the values of their assets, the ones they used on official forms like loans and taxes, on junk mail, one of the least reliable sources of anything. And then, they signed someone else's name on it.

When asked for comment, Trump posted Letita James' address.

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Going to be fun if it gets appealed and Cannon loses, again.
How many times do you need to slap the judge down in appeals before you can just have them removed?

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How many times do you need to slap the judge down in appeals before you can just have them removed?

Removing a judge is a shitshow, I'm sure. I would guess that it would be easier for the appeals court to just yoink the case outright.

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Agreed, the idea of a judge requiring an obstructive mandate neither side asked for seems pretty questionable to me, too.

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So let's talk about Doug Larson.

"The Far Side guy?"

No, that's...no! Jeez. But we don't know who he is, because while Trump Org listed him as an appraiser, he didn't appraise.



That's right: Trump Org based the values of their assets, the ones they used on official forms like loans and taxes, on junk mail, one of the least reliable sources of anything. And then, they signed someone else's name on it.

When asked for comment, Trump posted Letita James' address.

Wait, I can't just say professionals with whom I've had no direct contact with have done official work for me and use their names?

What's just a little bit of blatant, explicit fraud between complete strangers, eh?

Also, boy one of these days these judges will treat Trump like the predictable creature he is and actually slap some penalties for his frequent explicit attempts at intimidation etc.

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https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trum...-order-1835178

Donald thinks he's Al Capone now.

What's with Republicans and their love of organized crime? The "five families", this shit. They know organized crime is bad and that The Sopranos and Scarface and The Godfather are all movies, right?

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Wait, I can't just say professionals with whom I've had no direct contact with have done official work for me and use their names?

It is the most effective way of not paying them.

Also, it's not whether or not Trump thinks the Godfather, the Sopranos, etc. were fiction. He lies about everything all the time, and he can't even get real historical figures right. The issue is that Trump thinks the Godfather, the Sopranos, etc. are role models.

[cubby]

Ladies and gentlemen and @cubby

Mike Lindell has chosen to represent himself in court.

This. Could be. Glorious.

Holy fuck get the popcorn ready.

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Constantly.

Look at it this way; if you have a million dollars in investments earning a consistent, reliable return, if you can fuck around and not pay a million-dollar bill for 6 months or a year, you've been earning on that million while it sits in your investment portfolio for that entire time, and there's often no penalty for late payment or that penalty is dwarfed by the return you've gotten until your were legally forced to pay the money. And sometimes, they might decide it's not worth the legal battle, and you don't have to pay it at all!

If your primary concern is your own wealth, you'd be an idiot to actually pay your bills up front and on time. Complete moron. There's no benefit to you whatsoever, and a lot of negatives.

We had a CFO that did this with our company bills, to the point that some of our biggest suppliers were on the verge of blacklisting us and a lot of smaller ones refused to sell us things until we'd settle our previous bills, causing pretty massive disruptions... I feel like it saves a bit of money in the short term, but if you piss off the wrong people it can easily cost you more in the long run.

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Powell and Cheseboro file to have their charges dropped.

"On what grounds?"

On the grounds that they don't want to go to jail. The motion was handwaved, on the grounds of "you have no grounds".

There's more to it, but nothing of substance from Team Trump. One, they claimed that RICO doesn't apply because the 100+ people involved in amending the Georgia Constitution to add it wouldn't have wanted it to. Two, they tried to use evidence not yet presented at trial, because, you know, the trial hasn't started yet. You have to allow them to be introduced and, if need be, survive a challenge. Three, as mentioned earlier, the judge specifically called out that, to have an indictment tossed, you needed to prove there was something wrong with it, and they basically didn't even try, instead opining about Georgian legislators years ago and making shit up.

Powell and Cheseboro both wanted their trials to go first, and I'm convinced that was a strategic decision, but I'm not convinced it was a good one. Yes, if they could possibly chew off RICO and go at it alone, they could play the "it was the other sixteen people I conspired with who did everything, not me" game. But considering they've demonstrated they have basically no defense that has any chance of working, all they're doing is putting themselves in the situation of giving their fellow co-conspirators even fewer options to work with, by virtue of having some potential defenses failing on the record.

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Trump stands in front of camera and weeps like a child that things are so unfair.

More precisely, he is still going on about the lack of jury -- which is what I would say, if I knew I was objectively guilty and my only chance of surviving was to con at least one person out of twelve -- and that the gag order, the one that say he cannot smear court staff, means he has no rights.

Trump is fighting his court cases in the court of public opinion. He still thinks that will work.

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https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-...late-gag-order

Huh, to apparently Donald posted an article from Laura Loomer (rofl) that included NY AG Letitia James home address.

Do y'all think that this might violate the gag order on attacking people involved in his court case? Sure seems like it, personally.

[postman1782]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-...late-gag-order

Huh, to apparently Donald posted an article from Laura Loomer (rofl) that included NY AG Letitia James home address.

Do y'all think that this might violate the gag order on attacking people involved in his court case? Sure seems like it, personally.

Absolutely, both he and loomer should be in prison.

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Absolutely, both he and loomer should be in prison.

Loomer isn't subject to a gag order, though. And I'm unsure whether NY or FL law would apply to her and what the laws around doxxing in those states is. Not sure what extradition laws/rules would be either, and I'd imagine DeSantis would fight for an ally like Loomer because that's another great front for the culture wars. The stupid lady that handcuffed herself to Twitter's offices hoping to cause a scene and be forcefully removed only to have the company completely ignore her ass and just leave her sitting in front of their offices all day.

[Shadowferal]

Still, Trump Shares Article Doxxing NY AG’s Address, May Violate Gag Order

We'll see soon enough.

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Loomer isn't subject to a gag order, though. And I'm unsure whether NY or FL law would apply to her and what the laws around doxxing in those states is. Not sure what extradition laws/rules would be either, and I'd imagine DeSantis would fight for an ally like Loomer because that's another great front for the culture wars. The stupid lady that handcuffed herself to Twitter's offices hoping to cause a scene and be forcefully removed only to have the company completely ignore her ass and just leave her sitting in front of their offices all day.

Doxxing anyone, with the intent to get people to her home, especially deadly terrorists, is illegal, especially across state lines.

If communication crosses state lines, the offense becomes a federal crime. 18 U.S. Code § 2261A is the federal law that applies to cyberstalking matters which contains verbiage that prohibits stalking when it occurs through electronic communication.

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/...A-sec2261A.pdf

It's a felony.

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Doxxing anyone, with the intent to get people to her home, especially deadly terrorists, is illegal, especially across state lines.



https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/...A-sec2261A.pdf

It's a felony.

That appears to be in relation to stalking, which wouldn't apply.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/119

However there does seem to be some federal law around this specific instance - not doxxing in general.

[Shadowferal]

Russian sources disappeared after Trump declassified ex-spy’s evidence, UK court told

Just tossing this out..

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Kari Lake’s lawsuit over metro Phoenix’s electronic voting machines has been tossed out

"You already posted that."

It looks like she filed a bunch of parallel lawsuits, each individual grievance being its own lawsuit. In any event,

In the ruling Monday, the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals said their claims didn’t show “a plausible inference that their individual votes in future elections will be adversely affected by the use of electronic tabulation, particularly given the robust safeguards in Arizona law, the use of paper ballots, and the post-tabulation retention of those ballots.”

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Kari Lake’s lawsuit over metro Phoenix’s electronic voting machines has been tossed out

"You already posted that."

It looks like she filed a bunch of parallel lawsuits, each individual grievance being its own lawsuit. In any event,

At what point do the courts just like...stop tolerating all this obviously bad faith waste of time?

[Zaydin]

At what point do the courts just like...stop tolerating all this obviously bad faith waste of time?

You would think by now she'd be labeled a vexatious litigant.

[Breccia]

At what point do the courts just like...stop tolerating all this obviously bad faith waste of time?

They did it last year. Kari Lake, or more realistically her lawyers, have learned from that and are now only pushing forwards with cases where they have a valid claim and a shred of evidence, and more importantly, not just making shit up.

It is better to let 100 guilty men go free than send 1 innocent men to jail etc. etc. and in the famous fable, the boy did eventually cry wolf for an actual wolf. Lake won't get in trouble just for bringing the lawsuits, only for bringing lawsuits even she knows are false. Until then, @Zaydin is likely correct, and courts are now "biased" against her in the same way you'd be "biased" against Sylvanas for murdering the world tree and thousands of elves.