Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Breccia]

Ohoho, ohohohoho...life.

Biden campaign's Truth Social following surpasses Trump campaign's

"But nobody uses Truth Social! It's dead in the water!"

And yet, Trump is losing on his own platform. I'll be honest, I didn't expect Trollmastah G Biden to go there, but in retrospect, it does make sense.

"Well surely Trump's account has all the followers!"

Hmm. Interesting. Then why does his campaign have an account at all?

"..."

Neither account has loads, but Biden's campaign has 25k followers and Trump's has 21k.

Even in death, CyberTrump 2077 continues to entertain.

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Well, they pretty much have him dead to rights, just like they did with Sydney and the other 17 defendants, including Trump. They have them on tape committing the crime.

I think what we're seeing here so far is the difference between a mercenary and a zealot. Powell might have been an opportunist, looking for the spotlight. Chesebro is a cultist.

Jury selection begins now, but I'm looking forward to seeing him pressured on the stand. Grilled Chesebro.

[Underbottom]

I think what we're seeing here so far is the difference between a mercenary and a zealot. Powell might have been an opportunist, looking for the spotlight. Chesebro is a cultist.

Jury selection begins now, but I'm looking forward to seeing him pressured on the stand. Grilled Chesebro.

And he takes a last minute deal.

[Edge-]

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/20/polit...ion/index.html

Some Sauce for Cheesebro flipping. At least the Grilled Cheesebro will be evenly cooked.

Boy, feels like the pace at which folks are flipping is starting to increase. This is great.

[The Stormbringer]

That makes what, three people in this case now that have flipped?

[Egomaniac]

That makes what, three people in this case now that have flipped?

As soon as one flips, the dominoes start falling

[Breccia]

And he takes a last minute deal.

Dammit!

Fucking dammit!

I had a whole "The Chesebro Stands Alone" thing all written out and everything!

[Gelannerai]

Dammit!

Fucking dammit!

I had a whole "The Chesebro Stands Alone" thing all written out and everything!

Ha, he outwitted you because he was playing 4-D Chesebro.

I’ll be here all week.

[Shkar]

Dammit!

Fucking dammit!

I had a whole "The Chesebro Stands Alone" thing all written out and everything!

Are you going to Chesebro Fair? Parsely says he'll be doing some time.

[Redwyrm]

Has Trump started bitching about the flippers yet?

[Twdft]

"flipping" as part of a justice system is still a concept that boggles my mind. Getting off the hook for your crimes just for making it easier to convict another criminal shouldn't be possible.

[Breccia]

Has Trump started bitching about the flippers yet?

No, and he won't, for three reasons.

One, Trump is holding out hope yet that they won't turn on him, specifically. Trump could not care less if Eastman, Giuliani, or Kanye goes to jail. Trump cares if Trump goes to jail. As a sociopath, he's unable to project, and while he can still use objective evidence -- such as someone saying something in public -- he has trouble inferring from other things. Trump thinks loyalty to Trump is all that matters, therefore, he assumes everyone agrees until proven otherwise.

Two, Trump is going to be careful on social media.

Judge lashes out at Trump, threatens prison, after apparent breach of gag order

The post, which was spotted Thursday by the pro-democracy news website MeidasTouch, was a duplicate of one posted to Trump's social media site on Oct. 3, and deleted soon after New York Judge Arthur Engoron issued a limited gag order, barring Trump from posting or speaking publicly about the judge's staff.

The campaign replication of the deleted post has since also been removed, but Engoron appeared quite angry Friday.

He asked Trump's lawyers why he shouldn't impose "serious" sanctions, "including financial sanctions" "or possibly imprisoning him."

Trump attorney Christopher Kise apologized and said it was an errant oversight, arguing that it was "truly inadvertent," due to the campaign's "machinery" replicating the post on its website.

Bullshit. There is a zero percent chance Trump's social media is done by auto-running apps or bots. Someone hits "send". Someone who works for Trump, and seeing that post, forwarded it anyhow. This is not about no single raindrop causing the flood, this is about someone pulling the floodgates open, using the giant lever marked "this pulls the floodgates open".

Kise has also used "he hasn't posted anything since" and only got sent to 25,000 people. In a related story, I hear your first murder doesn't count, either, and I only told 25,000 people where the first body was dumped.

"Between Oct. 3 and Oct. 19, there were a little over 114 million visitors to the campaign website. Only 3,701 viewed – they're called unique views – viewed the post. That would include anyone that received the email," Kise said.

"Well, you and I are both becoming more tech savvy," Engoron replied.

Funny story, "unique views" suddenly matters when Trump's actions are criminal, and not when he's bragging about ratings.

And third, going after Powell and Chesebro would immediately be seen as witness tampering. I've seen and very likely posted articles about how Trump was specifically and directly told not to communicate with other witnesses, and we know about the threats on social media is being handled in court.

This action is likely going to come up when Trump appeals his gag order, and more importantly, Engoron seems to have hit the enrage timer. Trump is out of cooldowns.

[Kathranis]

"flipping" as part of a justice system is still a concept that boggles my mind. Getting off the hook for your crimes just for making it easier to convict another criminal shouldn't be possible.

Well, barring witness protection, plea deals still usually come with at least some sort of punishment. Reduced sentencing, or fines and time served.

Obviously the justice system is constructed so that a lot of illegal activity is tacitly legal for those who can afford to pay the fines. There's the famous quote about the two-tier justice system that "wisely" makes it equally illegal to sleep under a bridge for both the rich and poor.

Still, it's a way to get to the ringleaders that actually run the criminal organizations and orchestrate the conspiracies, rather than hitting a brick wall with the soldiers and sacrificial pawns.

[Egomaniac]

"flipping" as part of a justice system is still a concept that boggles my mind. Getting off the hook for your crimes just for making it easier to convict another criminal shouldn't be possible.

Well, you can either have plea deals and have a better chance of convicting the "big fish" at the cost of letting some of the "little fish" avoid full consequences...or you can roll the dice and try and get them all. You'll probably get more of the little fish...but the big fish will be more likely to escape consequences entirely.

[Endus]

"flipping" as part of a justice system is still a concept that boggles my mind. Getting off the hook for your crimes just for making it easier to convict another criminal shouldn't be possible.

It's a tradeoff. If you don't allow for this potential, no underling has any reason to turn on their superiors. You're not going to give them anything for the info, so you can fuck off over there, in their mind.

If you want people to inform on their superiors so you can meaningfully attack the upper levels of a criminal organization, you have to be willing to ease up on the penalties those underlings would otherwise face. So what's more important? Punishing every petty criminal to the fullest extent of the law? Or getting sufficient intelligence and evidence to meaningfully take down the entire criminal organization those petty criminals work for? I think most people agree it's the latter. Hence plea deals exist.

[Edge-]

https://apnews.com/article/donald-tr...b4290001eaf7d1

The chances of anything significant were always slim given that this was an "oversight" and all, so $5K fine for leaving that post up on his site.

We'll see if Trump decides to continue testing the waters or if he forgets about other disparaging remarks he's made but failed to remove.

[The Stormbringer]

https://apnews.com/article/donald-tr...b4290001eaf7d1

The chances of anything significant were always slim given that this was an "oversight" and all, so $5K fine for leaving that post up on his site.

We'll see if Trump decides to continue testing the waters or if he forgets about other disparaging remarks he's made but failed to remove.

Five grand for violating? That's it? They basically just gave him permission to say whatever the hell he wants. He'll be throwing out violations left right and center and getting his cultists to pay for his legal bills.

[zorkuus]

Next time he'll be fined six grand. Hahaa, take that! Owned, then he'll shut up for sure!
It's sad how blatantly spineless and two tiered US courts are.

How many more second chances does this sleazebag get?
What if someone gets killed?
Oh wait... 5 people did. On january 6th.

[DarkTZeratul]

Next time he'll be fined six grand. Hahaa, take that! Owned, then he'll shut up for sure!
It's sad how blatantly spineless and two tiered US courts are.

Next time he might just get thrown in prison. You do realize that judges typically can't just set whatever fines they like, right? There are actual rules regarding how much they can charge.

[zorkuus]

Next time he might just get thrown in prison.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

Not going to happen. Not a chance in hell.

You guys have a vivid imagination.
Want to know what will happen to tRump from all these legal troubles he's in? Some fines. That's it, at best. He will not face any serious consequences whatsoever. His underlings will, maybe. Not him. And he certainly won't spend a day in a cell.

And it won't matter if the Kraken and Ghouliani etc. spill the beans on him as part of a plea deal. The US justice system is too gutless to go after him, even if they're sitting on top a mountain of incrimination evidence.

[Jastall]

Trump has a 0% chance of landing in jail due to contempt of court. Let's try to be realistic here. It's not going to happen.