Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[The Stormbringer]

Keep it coming, please. The Georgia case is the only hope I have of keeping Trump out of the White House... well that and potentially overwhelming numbers of young people voting, but I don't know if I want to hold out for that.

[Breccia]

Willing to bet there's a good chance that he tries to argue that she never worked for him because he never paid her.

That will fail. Lawyers working pro bono, and/or on contingency, exist. If both Powell and Trump refuse to bring up an agreement contract, maybe that will work. If she has anything he signed, it's over.

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Looks like another may be soon flipping on Trump.

Jenna Ellis pleads guilty in Georgia election interference case

Good call.

If I knew then what I know now, I would have declined to represent Donald Trump in these post election challenges

-- major Team Trump player Jenna Ellis, to the judge, in tears

[gondrin]

Anything Trump says when he's not on the stand is useless, but, I think it's possible he never actually hired Powell.

Irrelevant.

You can conspire to commit crimes with lawyers you know but don't hire.

You can conspire with lawyers hired by other people.

And, if he does say this on the stand, nobody gets privilege.

Hiring requires some sort of payment. Trump doesn't pay anyone unless they demand it upfront. Yes, contingencies exist but Trump never agrees to those from what I can tell. The only thing that is out there is a text from the hair dye leaking ghoul that she is representing Trump in whatever lawsuits were from the 2020 election.

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Is this him letting it slip that they already have a ballot stuffing plan in place?

Eh, Trump did that tactic in Georgia when he couldn't get his way. Well, it worked as he did cause the state to turn blue as a lot of Republicans chose to not vote thinking it was rigged anyway.

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If you're right...you might see the proof of it when his rage explodes so hard, you can see the orange dust from space.

I believe we have footage of this scene.

[Edge-]

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/j...rgia-rico-case

Jenna Ellis, the attorney who played a top public role in the effort to reverse Trump’s 2020 election loss, agreed to take a plea deal to resolve the Georgia RICO case against her.

Fulton County Superior Court Judge Scott McAfee approved the deal at a Tuesday morning hearing.

Per a copy of the plea agreement, Ellis has agreed to plead guilty to one felony count of aiding and abetting false statements and writings.

A prosecutor with Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis’ office said at the hearing that Ellis had agreed to cooperate with the investigation and provide testimony per the agreement.

Per the deal, Ellis will receive five years of probation, and have to pay $5,000 in restitution to the state. Like the other three defendants to have pleaded guilty, she also has to submit an apology letter and provide records and other evidence to the prosecution.

Ellis played a starring role in Rudy Giuliani’s barnstorming of various state legislatures with outlandish claims of voter fraud.

Flip flops, the lot of them!

[masterhorus8]

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/j...rgia-rico-case



Flip flops, the lot of them!

Or, as our Aussie brethren would call them, "thongs".

[Zaydin]

Trump is finding out what happens when you don't pay your lawyers.

[Egomaniac]

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/j...rgia-rico-case



Flip flops, the lot of them!

Mugshot Barbie to Plea Deal Barbie Conversion kit.

[cubby]

2) Nothing Trump says means anything unless he's on the stand.

This is what everyone who still cares about the Orange Turd is worried about. Trump has Word Salad Syndrome, or in real talk, he's a fucking idiot, so once he's on the stand and sworn in, his goose is cooked, because even my 10-year-old daughter could get him off topic during cross examination.

It's why we rarely see him in depositions and, IIRC, he's yet to take the stand in an actual trial.

[Breccia]

he's yet to take the stand in an actual trial.

Whether he has or hasn't, he's play-acting now. Big speeches on the courtroom steps, huffing and throwing his arms up (got yelled at for that), TYPING IN ALL CAPS ON HIS FAILING SOCIAL PLATFORM, and of course, showing up when he contributes nothing.

Trump is a coward. His followers are cowards, that's why they fled, they're welcome back at any time but they have nothing to work with. But taking the Fifth hundreds of times and letting Trump U. die rather than take the stand are just the warm-up acts to what we're going to see.

Trump is yelling that it's all rigged, it's all fake, it's all a hoax, then will take the stand, be asked about specific things other witnesses said, specific objects and communications being held in front of him, and he'll curl up into a ball and whimper on live television.

[Gelannerai]

This is what everyone who still cares about the Orange Turd is worried about. Trump has Word Salad Syndrome, or in real talk, he's a fucking idiot, so once he's on the stand and sworn in, his goose is cooked, because even my 10-year-old daughter could get him off topic during cross examination.

It's why we rarely see him in depositions and, IIRC, he's yet to take the stand in an actual trial.

The only time he actually shows up in the courtroom is for the civil trials when he doesn’t have to take the stand. Instead he gets to launch Gohmert-tier tantrums when witnesses say shit he doesn’t like, mean-mug whenever anybody makes eye contact, then spew bullshit during recess. If anybody actually tried to get him on the stand then all we’d see is a puff of smoke complete with Roadrunner sound gags.

[Breccia]

From TheHill's rolling tracker:

Cohen testified Tuesday that he and Trump Organization CFO Allen Weisselberg were directed to increase the former president’s total assets based on a number he “arbitrarily elected.”

“My responsibility, along with Allen Weisselberg, predominantly, was to reverse engineer the various different asset classes – increase those assets – in order to achieve the number that Trump had tasked us with,” Cohen said.

As he said those words, Trump forcefully shook his head, appearing to mouth “no” to one of his attorneys.

“When you say number, what number are you talking about?” prosecutor Colleen Faherty asked Cohen.

“Whichever Mr. Trump told us,” he said.

[Edge-]

https://archive.ph/DRRdW

Archive link for a WashPo story of this headline -

Jenna Ellis’s tearful guilty plea should worry Rudy Giuliani

The funny bit to me -

Then Ellis spoke, driving the point home. “I relied on others, including lawyers with many more years of experience than I, to provide me with true and reliable information, especially since my role involved speaking to the media and to legislators in various states,” Ellis said. She added, “What I did not do, but should have done, your honor, was to make sure that the facts the other lawyers alleged to be true were, in fact, true. In the frenetic pace of attempting to raise challenges to the election in several states including Georgia, I failed to do my due diligence.”

"Your honor, I relied on these obviously dishonest and untrustworthy people to be honest with me and at no point ever once questioned the insane things they kept asking me to do or say until I started to realize that there might be consequences for what I thought was a really sweet gig that would supercharge my legal career with all this EXPOSURE."

Her only flaw was she was too innocent and trusting, your honor!

[Breccia]

Just so we're clear, this:

Then Ellis spoke, driving the point home. “I relied on others, including lawyers with many more years of experience than I, to provide me with true and reliable information, especially since my role involved speaking to the media and to legislators in various states,” Ellis said. She added, “What I did not do, but should have done, your honor, was to make sure that the facts the other lawyers alleged to be true were, in fact, true. In the frenetic pace of attempting to raise challenges to the election in several states including Georgia, I failed to do my due diligence.”

This is not a plea of guilty. This is a plea of "don't punish me".

This is actually bad news. Ellis is clearly blaming other lawyers, maybe Powell, who has already pled out. There's nothing in here about Trump. Trump will also blame his lawyers and use this to back that play.

That is what should worry Giuliani. Trump will turn on him, and unless he can prove Trump directed him, he'll be the scapegoat.

[Edge-]

Just so we're clear, this:



This is not a plea of guilty. This is a plea of "don't punish me".

This is actually bad news. Ellis is clearly blaming other lawyers, maybe Powell, who has already pled out. There's nothing in here about Trump. Trump will also blame his lawyers and use this to back that play.

That is what should worry Giuliani. Trump will turn on him, and unless he can prove Trump directed him, he'll be the scapegoat.

Jenna had better hope she has something that prosecutors want. Because if she was just a covfefe girl then she's not gonna have much when it comes to negotiating a deal, and Cheesebro and The Kraken might snap up all the sweet concessions for flipping on their boss, instead.

[Endus]

Just so we're clear, this:



This is not a plea of guilty. This is a plea of "don't punish me".

This is actually bad news. Ellis is clearly blaming other lawyers, maybe Powell, who has already pled out. There's nothing in here about Trump. Trump will also blame his lawyers and use this to back that play.

That is what should worry Giuliani. Trump will turn on him, and unless he can prove Trump directed him, he'll be the scapegoat.

This is her own trial. She doesn't have to dump everything on Trump here. If she's getting a plea deal, what she has on Trump wouldn't have to be (and arguably definitely should not be) presented as evidence in her own trial. It may not be relevant to her case, and prosecutors wouldn't want it to become public record unless it was a necessity, before trial.

[Breccia]

This is her own trial. She doesn't have to dump everything on Trump here. If she's getting a plea deal, what she has on Trump wouldn't have to be (and arguably definitely should not be) presented as evidence in her own trial. It may not be relevant to her case, and prosecutors wouldn't want it to become public record unless it was a necessity, before trial.

I agree that she doesn't have to, but I still say she won't at all. What she said is a matter of public record and Giuliani is a target, so, not going public is no longer the issue. This is just a clearly telegraphed strategy to turn on Giuliani and maybe Eastman at best.

Let's add to that, turning on Trump is still a death sentence. All you have to do is look at the Speaker race, let alone the last 7 years.

Ellis is begging to avoid the consequences of her actions, as @Edge- said, but this is also a giant signal flare that she's not going after Trump. I'll wait to be proven wrong. But Trump has already said he was following his lawyer's advice, and this "guilty" plea is more of that, so it fits.

[Edge-]

Speaking of flip floppers...

https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...urce=onesignal

Mark Meadows has reportedly testified before a federal grand jury impaneled by Special Counsel Jack Smith in exchange for immunity from prosecution in the Justice Department’s election interference case against Donald Trump.

According to ABC News, the former White House chief of staff has testified under oath at least three times, twice before the special counsel’s office and once to a grand jury, regarding the investigation into Trump’s attempts to overturn the 2020 election. Meadows reportedly testified that he had told the former president the election was lost and, according to sources, testified to the DOJ that “obviously we didn’t win.”

Trump has long suspected that Meadows would flip on him. In June, sources who spoke to Rolling Stone stated that Meadows was referred to as a “rat” among Trump’s inner circle, and indicated that the former president had sent allies on a “small fact-finding mission” to ascertain what Meadows had been telling investigators.

Rats and sinking ships etc. etc. etc.

It's just nice to see it all coming together and that we may reach the "Find Out" part of FAFO. Couldn't happen to a nicer group of people.

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https://twitter.com/SidneyPowell1

Boy, The Kraken doesn't seem very sincere in her guilty plea. She's on Twitter all day posting election conspiracy shit, following a weekend of posting a bunch more election conspiracy theory shit.

[Breccia]

Rats

Mark Meadows saying, on the stand, "I told Trump we lost" is kind of a big deal, but we need to hear that Trump agreed. That said, Meadows saying "I know we lost but we tried to overthrow democracy anyhow" needs to get someone in jail. If nobody else, him.

[postman1782]

Speaking of flip floppers...

https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...urce=onesignal



Rats and sinking ships etc. etc. etc.

It's just nice to see it all coming together and that we may reach the "Find Out" part of FAFO. Couldn't happen to a nicer group of people.

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https://twitter.com/SidneyPowell1

Boy, The Kraken doesn't seem very sincere in her guilty plea. She's on Twitter all day posting election conspiracy shit, following a weekend of posting a bunch more election conspiracy theory shit.

Hmm, I am not seeing them on her timeline. The only latest tweet I see is from August 15th, with that ignorant meme of the vote lines.


Do I have to have an account?

[Edge-]

Do I have to have an account?

Apparently yes. I saw the same thing when I checked in a private window earlier (reading a BI article) but noticed when checking while logged into my account that I could see recent ones.

Some of the thigns she's RT'd recently -

https://twitter.com/SidneyPowell1/st...44340829311378
https://twitter.com/julie_kelly2/sta...21456603246721
https://twitter.com/julie_kelly2/sta...19267608543270
https://twitter.com/Travis_in_Flint/...74135465873666
https://twitter.com/LeadingReport/st...37974101201368