Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[postman1782]

Apparently yes. I saw the same thing when I checked in a private window earlier (reading a BI article) but noticed when checking while logged into my account that I could see recent ones.

Some of the thigns she's RT'd recently -

https://twitter.com/SidneyPowell1/st...44340829311378
https://twitter.com/julie_kelly2/sta...21456603246721
https://twitter.com/julie_kelly2/sta...19267608543270
https://twitter.com/Travis_in_Flint/...74135465873666
https://twitter.com/LeadingReport/st...37974101201368

Then those should violate her plea deal and she should get all 6 charges reinstated.


Sadly, people stupidly believe Leading Report, even though they don't link to any source.

[Edge-]

Then those should violate her plea deal and she should get all 6 charges reinstated.

I haven't the foggiest on the specifics of her plea deal, and I doubt you do either. We'll see if this does violate her deal soon enough, and while I'd normally be skeptical that someone would do something so obviously stupid, this is The Kraken we're talking about here. She might be thinking she's important enough that she can alter the deal without voiding it, which is sure a gamble to make given all the other folks flipping. Or maybe she saw Meadows flipped and thinks prosecutors don't need her anymore?

I'm actually unsure if that's even for the same case, it is difficult keeping track of the various trials for all the alleged widespread criminality.

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Sadly, people stupidly believe Leading Report, even though they don't link to any source.

What is Leading Report?

[Shadowferal]

What is Leading Report?

Nothing

[Benggaul]

What is Leading Report?

Check your last link.

[postman1782]

I haven't the foggiest on the specifics of her plea deal, and I doubt you do either. We'll see if this does violate her deal soon enough, and while I'd normally be skeptical that someone would do something so obviously stupid, this is The Kraken we're talking about here. She might be thinking she's important enough that she can alter the deal without voiding it, which is sure a gamble to make given all the other folks flipping. Or maybe she saw Meadows flipped and thinks prosecutors don't need her anymore?

I'm actually unsure if that's even for the same case, it is difficult keeping track of the various trials for all the alleged widespread criminality.

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What is Leading Report?

Leading Report is the last tweet you posted.

Leading Report
@LeadingReport
BREAKING: Almost half of Democrat voters say that it is very likely or somewhat likely that cheating affected the outcome of the 2020 election, according to a new Rasmussen survey.

That was their tweet, they never link to any source or anything. But to claim that Rasmussen is a source in the first place, is usually a bad way to start, but to not link to the survey or poll, should tell you its bullshit. But Powell linked it supposedly.

[Edge-]

Leading Report is the last tweet you posted.



That was their tweet, they never link to any source or anything. But to claim that Rasmussen is a source in the first place, is usually a bad way to start, but to not link to the survey or poll, should tell you its bullshit. But Powell linked it supposedly.

Oh haha, I didn't even look at the account name since the tweet was so stupid and included the word "Rasmussen" which instantly makes my eyes glaze over and my brain turn off momentarily.

[Breccia]

Then those should violate her plea deal and she should get all 6 charges reinstated.

Eventually. Let her testify on the record first.

[Bluespiderman57]

I haven't the foggiest on the specifics of her plea deal, and I doubt you do either. We'll see if this does violate her deal soon enough, and while I'd normally be skeptical that someone would do something so obviously stupid, this is The Kraken we're talking about here. She might be thinking she's important enough that she can alter the deal without voiding it, which is sure a gamble to make given all the other folks flipping. Or maybe she saw Meadows flipped and thinks prosecutors don't need her anymore?

I'm actually unsure if that's even for the same case, it is difficult keeping track of the various trials for all the alleged widespread criminality.

Sorry, I couldn't help it. I just had to.

[Breccia]

Trump claims the election case, the one Meadows just flipped for but this happened first, is unConstitutional.

"On what grounds?"

Well @Edge- would say Freeze Peaches, but honestly, Trump is either desperate and flailing, or he thinks the Constitution is required to protect him from all those crimes he committed. Kind of an odd take, considering he thinks the WH doesn't have to follow it.

Taken together, the motions cut to the heart of some of Trump's most oft-repeated public defenses: that he is being prosecuted for political reasons by the Biden administration Justice Department and that he was within his First Amendment rights to challenge the outcome of the election and to allege that it had been tainted by fraud — a finding not supported by courts across the country or even by Trump's own attorney general.

The lawyers claim prosecutors are attempting to criminalize political speech and political advocacy, arguing that First Amendment protections extend even to statements “made in advocating for government officials to act on one’s views.” They said the prosecution team “cannot criminalize claims that the 2020 Presidential election was stolen” nor “impose its views on a disputed political question” like the election's integrity.

“The fact that the indictment alleges that the speech at issue was supposedly, according to the prosecution, ‘false’ makes no difference,” the defense wrote. “Under the First Amendment, each individual American participating in a free marketplace of ideas — not the federal Government — decides for him or herself what is true and false on great disputed social and political questions.”

Bla bla bla. This hasn't worked yet. Free speech does not allow you to commit crimes, it does not let you say there was fraud when there was none and you know it, and youi can't use it to rile up a literal lynch mob and send it after the person who you told to overthrow the election results and refused. I can express the opinion that the money in the bank belongs to me, but just because I say that while taking the money doesn't make it stop being theft.

Team Trump, and some of the more foaming-at-the-mouth members of the rabid fanbase -- yes, even those who fled these forums weeping like small children into their single scoop of ice cream -- are still saying this is a vindictive prosecution. As a reminder, "I am running for office" is not a get-out-of-all-crimes-free card. The person to be put in charge of the Executive Branch is actually the person that should be the most in favor of law and order, not just the TV show. Trump declared he was running even before the 2022 election was finished being counted, he's using it as a shield because he thinks it has merit. But like everything else he says off the stand, he's wrong.

Oh, I guess he's technically saying this on the stand. He's still wrong.

Legal experts have said Trump's First Amendment claims are unlikely to succeed, particularly given the breadth of steps taken by Trump and his allies that prosecutors say transformed mere speech into action in a failed bid to undo the election.

As a reminder, because Trump may have forgotten, Trump hasn't been officially charged yet. He just knows it's coming.

[Edge-]

Sorry, I couldn't help it. I just had to.

Don't apologize at all, because that's exactly the joke I was making in my head as I wrote it. I'm just glad that intent somehow made it into my post, or that there are just other people with brains that work on references.

[ringpriest]

This is what everyone who still cares about the Orange Turd is worried about. Trump has Word Salad Syndrome, or in real talk, he's a fucking idiot, so once he's on the stand and sworn in, his goose is cooked, because even my 10-year-old daughter could get him off topic during cross examination.

It's why we rarely see him in depositions and, IIRC, he's yet to take the stand in an actual trial.

Earlier this month he dropped his lawsuit against his former lawyer Michael Cohen, rather than be deposed.

The judge overseeing the lawsuit denied Trump’s efforts to limit the scope of the deposition, and Trump’s criminal defense lawyer in the hush-money payment case was expected to sit in on the deposition to potentially advise Trump not to answer certain questions that could expose him to liability.

This wasn't some sort of "gotcha" move by Cohen's defense team, or even by the court. It's just that Trump (and/or his lawyers) knew that even with his own lawyer right there and able to say, "shut up, you don't have to answer that" Donald's dead meat once he's under oath.

[Breccia]

Trump wants Agent Smith's investigation ended, because he was impeached for it, and therefore, it's Double Jeopardy.
@cubby your thoughts?

[DarkTZeratul]

Trump wants Agent Smith's investigation ended, because he was impeached for it, and therefore, it's Double Jeopardy.
@cubby your thoughts?

I'll answer that, because it's a really easy one. Impeachment is a purely political process with no legal ramifications whatsoever, therefore double jeopardy does not apply.

[Edge-]

Trump wants Agent Smith's investigation ended, because he was impeached for it, and therefore, it's Double Jeopardy.
@cubby your thoughts?

https://archive.ph/9fKrB

Archive link, but quick, someone tell the National Review's Andrew McCarthy, whom a former poster assured me was an intellectual juggernaut!

Who is 100% correct on this, by the way. It is a political process - though technically a Constitutional process, and not a legal one. I'm unsure at what point Donald's lawyers are admonished for wasting the courts time.

[zorkuus]

Trump wants Agent Smith's investigation ended, because he was impeached for it, and therefore, it's Double Jeopardy.
@cubby your thoughts?

So he admits he did an illegal?

At some point the court should be able to just say "ok you're going to prison right now" if the defence keeps changing their story.

[Breccia]

It does actually get a little funnier later.

The prosecution does not explain how Trump violated these statutes, beyond simply saying he has while regurgitating the statutory language. As explained herein, the reason the prosecution employed this tactic is plain — Trump did not violate the charged statutes, even accepting the prosecution’s false allegations as true.

For one, the two motions were filed back-to-back, saying basically, "he was already tried for this crime, and also, it was not a crime". Um, if he already went to "trial" (their words) for it, so yes, it is a crime, apparently.

For two, I was under the impression that "this is how he did it" was a trial issue.

"Officer, you can't give me that speeding ticket. You didn't tell me how I was driving so fast."

For three, just flat-out saying the prosecution is lying is not a great approach overall. I think Trump was yelling like a toddler so much, his lawyers had to add language like this.

"So we simply say in this part that--"
"IT'S ALL FAKE! SAY IT'S ALL FAKE!"
"Mr. Trump, there are specific ways to file--"
"BIGLY SAY IT'S ALL FAKE OR EVERYONE'S FIRED!"
"Okay, okay, we'll add...something."

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(sighs)

A new survey shows, for the first time, that support for violence for political purposes is past 20% in the US.

"Okay, but why post that here?"

Give it a second.

Republicans who said patriots might have to resort to violence rose 28%->33%, Democrats 7%->13%, and indys 13%->22% since 2021.

These are all statistically significant.

"Still not seeing why that's here. They all went up."

The issue is also that in this other study, both considered good enough to make it to major publications by the way, agrees with that, and more.

41% of Biden supporters think Trump supporters will resort to violence for political means, or more specifically, are “so extreme in what they want that it is acceptable to use violence to stop them from achieving their goals.”

And 38% of Trump supporters agree, in that, they said it would be okay if they did. Not that they said Biden supporters would be violent -- that they would be.

Democrats might be more willing to engage in violence, in self-defense.

And this is Trump's fault. Symptom or disease, he is currently the face of domestic terrorist violence. He and his team continue to claim the election was stolen to this day. He continues to threaten so much he got a gag order...which he's violated. A thousand people have been convicted of following his call to violence.

And his violent terrorist supporters are numerous enough in the House to choke it out. We're seeing that unfold live.

[Orange Joe]

https://archive.ph/9fKrB

Archive link, but quick, someone tell the National Review's Andrew McCarthy, whom a former poster assured me was an intellectual juggernaut!

Who is 100% correct on this, by the way. It is a political process - though technically a Constitutional process, and not a legal one. I'm unsure at what point Donald's lawyers are admonished for wasting the courts time.

Seems I'm a robot that can't get past the captcha.

[The Stormbringer]

Seems I'm a robot that can't get past the captcha.

Is it one of those that use AI generated photos? I hate those.

[Edge-]

https://www.the-independent.com/news...-b2435922.html

Another warning for violating a gag order. Again. At some point there will be a consequence, maybe the judge should get some additional security teams before that?

Also

Earlier on Wednesday, Mr Trump’s attorney Alina Habba asked the judge to prohibit people in the court – alluding to the clerk – from rolling their eyes or whispering during her questioning.

No, lady. Your questioning sucks and you shoulld feel bad that the clerk is even rolling their eyes at the dumbass shit coming out of your mouth.

[Breccia]

Also

It sounds like the Cohen vs. Habba fight is going as well as expected. Last I saw on a rolling tracker, Habba was trying to discredit Cohen by saying "he's an admitted liar" and the response was "yes, your client asked me to lie and I did it".

Habba demanding people not whisper or roll their eyes flies in the face of Trump's own behavior, specifically being told to keep his voice down and stop throwing up his hands. I would love the judge to say "Mr. Trump, your own lawyer has asked you to stop rolling your eyes".