Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Breccia]

In honor of our great veterans on Veteran's Day, we pledge to you that we will root out the communists, Marxists, fascists, and radical left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country. Lie, steal, and cheat on elections, and will do anything possible, whether legally or illegally, to destroy America, and the American dream.

The threat from outside forces is far less sinister, dangerous, and grave, than the threat from within. Despite the hatred and anger of the radical left lunatics who want to destroy our country, we will make America great again!

-- Donald Trump

[Odinfrost]

One day we need republicans to actually define their term of "Radical Left" because I feel like they just mean Democrats, but not having balls to just say it flat out

[Breccia]

One day we need republicans to actually define their term of "Radical Left" because I feel like they just mean Democrats, but not having balls to just say it flat out

They'll refuse, because of exactly that -- they want to say "radical left" and paint all Democrats with that, when things like "let's make sure poor people don't die in the streets" are actually not all that radical.

But supporting a murderous insurrection is mainstream, and not radical at all! To them.

[Dontrike]

-- Donald Trump

Ah yes, the outside forces are not a big deal, don't worry about Putin or any other leader that gives me money. Nope, worry about trans kids and people that want to keep their rights.

[Breccia]

See I absolutely understand the argument that Biden's age is an issue. But Trump is 3,5 years younger. So his age is equally an issue and his health should by all accounts be worse.

Indeed. For every issue people point to Biden for and say "See, he's got dementia!" there are dozens, hundreds maybe, of times I can point to Trump saying something objectively false. Meaning, Trump supporters would have to admit Trump was confused, admit Trump was uninformed on a topic he claimed to be informed about and said something he had no idea if it was true or not, admit Trump lied, or of course run away yelling LALALALALA and being utter hypocrites.

None of them are here to answer, so you know what they went with.

Oh, and that's leaving aside Trump being unable to open a water bottle, walk up a hill, cheat at golf, and the times he had his doctors lie blatantly about his health. There is no reasonable discussion that involves removing Biden for his age and health which does not eject Trump first.

In other news about the utter failure of Trump, I don't like citing videos (except Legal Eagle) because they're tough to quote, so I took Raw Story citing an MSNBC video about Trump's testimony.

Spoiler alert: it sucked.

"If that was the strategy, Jonathan, it was an utter failure," she quickly answered before adding, "and here's why."

"As you all have been discussing, this is a bench trial, where the judge sits in for the jury. If there was a jury in the box, the judge would have been forced to restrict Trump's answers; he would have directed Trump as a witness to answer the question. He would have been moving to strike any of these extraneous comments Trump continued to make which weren't admissible and which were prejudicial," she explained.

"Who is this 'she'? Likely some utter nobody armchair legal quarterback."

Former U.S. Attorney Joyce Vance. Appointed 2009 by Obama and stayed the entire rest of his tenure. She's also married to a judge and a child of another judge. I think she's qualified.

She then elaborated, "If you are Trump's lawyers, sitting at the counsel table, you are watching your only hope of surviving this case — which is the appeal — you're watching it fade away."

"The Trump Organization is liable," she asserted. "In essence, the Trump Organization as a business will be shuttered. They will remove its certificate to operate."

"On appeal, they would have argued, Trump's lawyers, that that decision by the judge was misplaced; he shouldn't have found fraud as a matter of law," she continued. "Yesterday, because the judge let Donald Trump ramble, Donald Trump conceded that point. That means that this decision should survive appeal, and the Trump Organization, as Trump has operated it for all these years is at an end."

Yep. Now that's a (legal) opinion of course, but if your client says, on the stand, "Yes I committed fraud" then an appeal on the grounds of "No he didn't" doesn't seem like it'll go very far.

Trump's lawyers will file other appeals, on the grounds of "We want to charge our client while he still has money". But in addition to Trump's crack legal team testing every single possible definition of the word "crack", their client is Trump, who did himself no favors.

The issue seems less and less to be "will Trump Org be penalized into the ground" but "did Trump admit to a crime or commit perjury". This is above and beyond the previous post of mine about "never testify after taking the Fifth".

By the way, still leading in the polls. Man, I wish I could @ some people and have them actually respond. Not just LALALALALA.

[Nymrohd]

Indeed. For every issue people point to Biden for and say "See, he's got dementia!" there are dozens, hundreds maybe, of times I can point to Trump saying something objectively false. Meaning, Trump supporters would have to admit Trump was confused, admit Trump was uninformed on a topic he claimed to be informed about and said something he had no idea if it was true or not, admit Trump lied, or of course run away yelling LALALALALA and being utter hypocrites.

None of them are here to answer, so you know what they went with.

Oh, and that's leaving aside Trump being unable to open a water bottle, walk up a hill, cheat at golf, and the times he had his doctors lie blatantly about his health. There is no reasonable discussion that involves removing Biden for his age and health which does not eject Trump first.

What Trump supporters believe is irrelevant anyway. No one is trying to convince them to vote for Biden. We all know how they will vote. But my understanding is that the US has a large number of voters who do switch their votes or otherwise choose to note vote and in that regard for the former, the age argument should just not be used since it is irrelevant.
It is relevant for the latter group though, those who don't always show up to vote. That group needs to be motivated to vote somehow and for those who lean Dem, Biden's age could be a reason for them to not show up. Not saying it is logical but I could see people making that choice for that reason.

[Breccia]

What Trump supporters believe is irrelevant anyway. No one is trying to convince them to vote for Biden. We all know how they will vote.

Well separate topic, but if they vote, yes, it will be for Trump. He's not going to drop out and he's not going to endorse anyone. But Trump's constant reminders that all elections are rigged might make them stay home, and they might do that on their own having a good widdle cry and a good widdle sulk if Trump gets convicted.

[Nymrohd]

Well separate topic, but if they vote, yes, it will be for Trump. He's not going to drop out and he's not going to endorse anyone. But Trump's constant reminders that all elections are rigged might make them stay home, and they might do that on their own having a good widdle cry and a good widdle sulk if Trump gets convicted.

My understanding here is that even though he lost by a wide margin in the popular vote, he still managed to get more people to come to the polls than before (it is just that even more came to vote against him). Ofc things have changed since then, mostly in that he likely does not have the same media coverage, but we have a full year ahead of us for the circus to go to overdrive.

[Breccia]

QAnon shaman looking to run for Arizona's 8th District.

No, really. Here's the paperwork.

[Benggaul]

QAnon shaman looking to run for Arizona's 8th District.

No, really. Here's the paperwork.

Well to be fair he does have more experience sitting in the Speaker's chair than several of those that were jockeying for the position the past month.

[masterhorus8]

QAnon shaman looking to run for Arizona's 8th District.

No, really. Here's the paperwork.

Now I want to see the 14th amendment used on him as he's been convicted.

[Edge-]

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/...op-nominee.cnn

It's not a cult, by the Chair of the Republican party confirms that even if Donald Trump is convicted of crimes she will continue to support him as the nominee.

I do hope we get another round of Republicans doing interviews about how Donald being a criminal might give him "street cred" and help him with "ethnic demographics" as we saw following the mug shot. Suddenly, being a criminal was so fuckin cool for the party of law and order.

[Paranoid Android]

Trump: President Xi is like Central Casting. There’s nobody in Hollywood who can play the role of President Xi. The look, the strength, the voice

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1723...aLTGpLeuA&s=19

Trump: "China, many years ago, was being taken over by much smaller countries bc they were all drugged out on the poppy fields. The poppy. The drugs. Heroin. The nation was drugged out. And then along came a very powerful leader, you know who that is, and he said, 'no more.'"

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1...MAyHeF3Gg&s=19

Not new here but he really loves authoritarians and how they run their country. Trump has done this" Central Casting " speak many times.

The best part though is how China is the worst thing ever besides marginalized people, Trump loves D-ride Xi. When you are in the cult it don't matter.

I didn't give voters credit in 2022 but they had some sense about impending end of democracy. I hope this still resenates

[Edge-]

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1723...aLTGpLeuA&s=19

Sammo Hung, and he could bring some comedy to the role too. Didn't even have to think about that one, dude continues to have zero imagination (and probably doesn't know who Sammo Hung is, and if you don't please go watch his works because the man is fucking incredible).

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1...MAyHeF3Gg&s=19

Not new here but he really loves authoritarians and how they run their country. Trump has done this" Central Casting " speak many times.

The best part though is how China is the worst thing ever besides marginalized people, Trump loves D-ride Xi. When you are in the cult it don't matter.

I didn't give voters credit in 2022 but they had some sense about impending end of democracy. I hope this still resenates

Honestly, I never took Republicans as fans of historical fiction but apparently I've been wrong and that's actually their favorite kind of history.

[Kaleredar]

Honestly, I never took Republicans as fans of historical fiction but apparently I've been wrong and that's actually their favorite kind of history.

Of course they're fans of historical fiction. The only history they believe in are historical fiction. Go on, ask them what the civil war was about. You'll get every answer except what it was actually about.

[Edge-]

https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...-as-president/

In a 2021 interview, Karl asked Trump if he really thought there was a way to have him reinstated before an election.

“I’m not going to explain it to you, Jonathan, because you wouldn’t — you wouldn’t either understand it or write it,” Trump said, according to ABC News, citing audio of the interview.

Karl reported that Trump brought up the notion of being reinstated so often that some in his inner circle began to worry Trump actually believed he could force Biden out of the White House before the next election.

The idea, which is not rooted in any law, eventually gave other Trump supporters serious pause, including former Rep. Mo Brooks (R-Ala.), who was booed while running for a Senate seat after suggesting Trump supporters put the 2020 election behind them.

Earlier this year, Brooks told Karl in an interview that Trump called the Alabama congressman in 2021 with several election-related asks.

“He asked me to publicly state that Donald Trump should be allowed to move back into the White House, reinstated as president,” Brooks told Karl.

Brooks went on to lose the Senate bid after Trump rescinded his endorsement for not delivering on making the claim of reinstatement. When asked if Trump truly believed he could be reinstated, Brooks said: “I sure hope not.”

“Because if he truly believed that, then he was way outside the bounds of reality.”

Alyssa Farah Griffin, who served as Trump’s White House communications director, responded to Karl’s reporting on ABC’s “This Week” on Sunday calling it “stunning.”

“But the fact that someone who is the former commander in chief very well could be again, was buying into something so absurd, so patently false, underscores how dangerous Donald Trump is,” she said.

Person. Man. Woman. Camera. TV.

The current de-facto leader of the Republican party and overwhelmingly leading presidential candidate.

Also - https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1723425108872597871

First off, Donald sounds tired. He lacks the energy he had in 2020, or especially 2016. And I forgot how annoying her speaking cadence and emphasis on syllables is.

Well I guess Hungary doesn't have crime under Orban?

But that's not the main thing. The main thing is that he forgot who is president and think's is still Obama. Again.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/sarador...h=3cc6544b4be6

According to Forbes, the is the seventh time he's forgotten who is president in recent months.

Person. Man. Woman. Camera. TV.



Also, I really hope he starts charging Obama for just how much space he's renting for free in that tiny little brain of his. God damn, dude just cannot get over that burn at the White House Correspondents dinner, can he.

[Breccia]

In honor of our great veterans on Veteran's Day, we pledge to you that we will root out the communists, Marxists, fascists, and radical left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country. Lie, steal, and cheat on elections, and will do anything possible, whether legally or illegally, to destroy America, and the American dream.

The threat from outside forces is far less sinister, dangerous, and grave, than the threat from within. Despite the hatred and anger of the radical left lunatics who want to destroy our country, we will make America great again!

-- Donald Trump

UPDATE:

I am not going to comment on candidates and their campaign messaging. I will say this, I know President Trump supports the veterans, our whole party supports our veterans. And I do think we’re at a very serious moment in our country.

Obviously, we support our veterans. And we’re in a primary right now. And the RNC is doing our best to make sure we’re getting our candidates visibility, as we are taking on Biden.

-- RNC head McDaniel

"Is Trump really in a primary? He's attended exactly zero debates and never signed the pledge."

Republicans never hold Trump accountable. The fact that Trump has done everything in his power to ignore the primary is not relevant to them.

"Did she realy say President Trump, but not President Biden?"

Yes. You're free to Google the quotes yourself.

"So, can we assume by this lack of comment that the RNC does not dispute these statements, and as such, because Trump is the party's leading candidate, they therefore support these comments?"

That sounds fair. In fact, I'll give our resident Trump supporters a month -- practically an eternity in politics -- to come here, possibly even accidentally, to dispute Trump's statement. An entire month. While I know I have permission to @ them -- statements that are both Trump statements but now also Republican Party statements would be things they'd view positively and this is a fast-moving thread -- it wouldn't matter if I did, they all have me on ignore, because they're all pussy-ass cowards.

If, somehow, some Trump supporter just happens to wander in here to discuss the topic, remember, the key word is "vermin". Any comment on Trump's statements will be ignored, unless it deals with the word "vermin".

And, again, lack of comment is viewed as support. Trump is the leading candidate and the head of the party since 2016. To the best of my knowledge, the RNC's support of Trump, finalized in their 2020 statement, has not been replaced.

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According to Forbes, the is the seventh time he's forgotten who is president in recent months.

FOX News is defending this.

Donald Trump in recent weeks has appeared to forget who the current occupant of the White House is, naming Barack Obama as president rather than Joe Biden. But if you ask Fox News’ Brian Kilmeade, it’s all part of Trump’s plan.

“Donald Trump keeps saying that because he believes Obama is pulling the strings,” Kilmeade claimed during an appearance on Fox’s MediaBuzz. “I talked to him off camera about that, I talked to him on radio about that. I said — I corrected him on the radio interview, I said, ‘You mean Joe Biden.’ He said no… He’s convinced Barack Obama’s running the country. That’s why he says it. He wants you to think that.”

As Kilmeade said this, radio host Leslie Marshall, who was also appearing on the show, laughed in his face. “Oh, Brian, come on,” she said through her chuckles. “That’s good, that’s good. You should be his manager, his campaign manager… That’s a really good spin on that.”

On Kilmeade’s show, Trump was claiming that Iran was behind the Oct. 7 attack on Israel, and he said, “It’s all coming through Iran, and Obama wants to — he doesn’t want to talk about it. He doesn’t want to mention, he doesn’t even mention them in his statements.”

“Well, you mean President Biden,” Kilmeade corrected.

“I also mean Obama. What do you mean? You know Obama and Biden,” Trump said, trying to recover. “But Obama is Biden’s boss. Guess you didn’t really know that.”

"That sounds like a conspiracy theory."

It does sound like a conspiracy theory, doesn't it? It looks like the only defense of Trump apparently forgetting who's President, is to claim the US is being shadow controlled by someone who is not President.

"What about this one?"

Trump in September claimed he defeated Obama in an election despite never running against him. “We did it with Obama,” Trump claimed, referring to 2016 when he ran against Hillary Clinton. “We won an election that everyone said couldn’t be won.” In the same speech, he said that Biden would lead us into “World War II.”

Best of my knowledge, FOX News has not reported on that.

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As Habba on FOX News said *ding* we should expect to see Trump file for a mistrial, on the grounds that Engoron and his clerk are motivated by politics and not the law.

"Doesn't the judge in the case decide if there's reason for a mistrial?"

Yes.

"So if the judge was biased, they'd refuse, and if the judge was honest, they'd refuse?"

Yes.

"...what is this supposed to accomplish?"

Trump is continuing to push the idea this is all a bigly yuge witch hunt hoax. He is expecting to fail, so he can tell everyone it's rigged. If he really did think Engoron acted improperly, he can bring that up in appeal.

"Um...didn't you just--"

Correct. In this long-winded post, I discussed the idea of an appeal in very negative terms, because after Engoron said "This is objectively fraud" Trump got on the stand and said "I objectively committed fraud" so there is no ruling he can really question, not reasonably anyhow.

Now, I admit it is possible Habba is filing for a mistrial because she knows she won't get that appeal. Fair enough but it's a waste of time. In fact, I'm tempted to start a pool on this -- how long between Habba introduces the motion for a mistrial on the grounds of political bias, and the motion is denied?

Place your bets.

[Fuiking]

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1723...aLTGpLeuA&s=19



https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1...MAyHeF3Gg&s=19

Not new here but he really loves authoritarians and how they run their country. Trump has done this" Central Casting " speak many times.

The best part though is how China is the worst thing ever besides marginalized people, Trump loves D-ride Xi. When you are in the cult it don't matter.

I didn't give voters credit in 2022 but they had some sense about impending end of democracy. I hope this still resenates

is that an attempt at remembering the Opium Wars?

[Edge-]

FOX News is defending this.



"That sounds like a conspiracy theory."

It does sound like a conspiracy theory, doesn't it? It looks like the only defense of Trump apparently forgetting who's President, is to claim the US is being shadow controlled by someone who is not President.

God it's so pathetic how predictable the excuses are. And how fucking stupid they are.

Barak Obama really just living in fuckin the entirety of Trump Tower for free in Donald's head.

"What about this one?"



Best of my knowledge, FOX News has not reported on that.

I imagine they're fact-checking that to see if they can argue it's not a gaffe in light of the Revolutionary Army retaking the airfields for the airplanes used in the Revolutionary War.

As to the remaining bit, I think conservatives are just intimidated by Engoron's hot bod.

[Breccia]

I imagine they're fact-checking that to see if they can argue it's not a gaffe in light of the Revolutionary Army retaking the airfields for the airplanes used in the Revolutionary War.

They'll probably bring on special guest Andrew Jackson.