Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[D Luniz]

I cannot really understand why anyone would want to re-elect that guy. The USA amazes me again and again. And especially the typical blindness for something that threatens their democracy.

cause when you want to see yourself as a "good" person, but also want bad to terrible things to happen to people you dont like, well, you let someone else do it. Then you can later claim "I didnt think he would" or ever popular in 2005-08 "I didnt vote for him, Im an independent"

plausible deniability through secret ballot and representive democracy

Edit: Im not saying the secret ballot is a bad thing, just that far to many people think claiming "well I voted this way before" means everything else you've shown support for should be ignored.

[Odinfrost]

The appointment clause of the constitution (article 2, section 2) Actually says that Officers of the United States are appointed by the President. Which would seem to imply that the President is not one him/herself.

Will point out that in the bolded, that it says "other public ministers and councel" as well as "all other officers of the United States" implying that the president is indeed a state officer.

[Gorsameth]

Will point out that in the bolded, that it says "other public ministers and councel" as well as "all other officers of the United States" implying that the president is indeed a state officer.

the bit you cut is rather important to the meaning of words in the English language.

shall appoint ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls, judges of the Supreme Court, and all other officers of the United States, whose appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by law

Other public ministers and consults, that are not ambassadors.
and all other officers, other then the ones mentioned previously. So that future public officers can be added by law and don't require changing the constitution.

The English language does not support the connection you are trying to force.

[Poopymonster]

the bit you cut is rather important to the meaning of words in the English language.

shall appoint ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls, judges of the Supreme Court, and all other officers of the United States, whose appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by law

Other public ministers and consults, that are not ambassadors.
and all other officers, other then the ones mentioned previously. So that future public officers can be added by law and don't require changing the constitution.

The English language does not support the connection you are trying to force.

To be fair, American English does not support many connections made using it.
Yet here we are.

[Vladier]

I wonder if being appointed by a President guilty of insurrection or consenting to that appointment as a Senator be enough to qualify as "aid or comfort" to the enemy of the Constitution and be automatically removed from their position upon taking an oath or giving their consent, meaning that a President Insurrectionist would actually be powerless to really do anything.

[Paranoid Android]

Less than a year ago, former Rep. Peter Meijer said he couldn’t imagine voting for Donald Trump in 2024. Now, he's changing his tune.

A Q&A with Meijer on why he views Joe Biden as a bigger threat to the country than a second Trump term

https://twitter.com/politico/status/...unR4IgwMQ&s=19

Edit: My link effed up.

So basically Meier voted to impeach Trump for Jan 6th but since he is running for open Michigan Senate seat he crawls back to Trump.

I hope Dems hammer home the fact that Trump tried to delegitimize voters there. You know a certain group not like their own. Idk if this has effect but one most horrible things of Trump saying people in say Detroit were not legit l.

[The Stormbringer]

Less than a year ago, former Rep. Peter Meijer said he couldn’t imagine voting for Donald Trump in 2024. Now, he's changing his tune.

A Q&A with Meijer on why he views Joe Biden as a bigger threat to the country than a second Trump term

Sounds like Peter Meijer is either a liar or a complete and utter moron.

[Paranoid Android]

Sounds like Peter Meijer is either a liar or a complete and utter moron.

I effed my original post but amazing the guy who he voted to impeach over insurrection, thinks Biden is more dangerous.

[ringpriest]

Trump lawyer Gessler went on CNN like a fucking idiot and claimed Trump couldn't possibly have led an insurrection, because Trump called out the National Guard.

"Forgetting" that Trump didn't call out the National Guard.

1) Trump aide Patel said Trump called out the National Guard, but could not provide any evidence, and the judge said on the record that Patel was not credible.
2) Trump didn't testify on the stand on the matter.
3) Gessler cited someone else, Katrina Pierson. If you don't know that name, it's because Katrina Pierson did not work at the White House.
4) The Jan 6th Committee found no evidence Trump called the National Guard, and of course, CNN cited that.
5) And most importantly, CNN cited that Trump took shots at Pelosi, blaming her for the National Guard never being called. This makes it really hard to claim the National Guard was called, therefore, it makes it very hard to claim you called them.

The thing nobody wants to talk about regarding January 6th (I suspect because of all the really ugly questions it raises, that no one wants to deal with) is that the deployment of the Virginia National Guard to the Capitol was technically illegal. VA National Guard units were rolling into DC a little after 3pm. Authorization came hours later, once it became clear the coup was going to fail. And yes, I said coup, because that's what it was, even if was an Underpants Gnomes coup plan. It fell apart fast because 1) quick thinking on multiple fronts prevented coup-sympathizers from getting their hands on Vice-President Pence, Certificates of Vote, or any members of Congress, 2) the Governor of Virginia rolled the VA National Guard in to DC without any legal authority to do so (technically, they were conducting a counter-coup, but again, no one talks about it that way) which resulted in the coup-sympathizers fleeing the Capitol, and, 3) it was likely something of a half-baked, hail-Mary play anyway, because Donald Trump is not a competent leader. And once it had fallen apart, the grave mistake was made to assume that its failure would finish off Trump and there was no need for further action... and now the infection is potentially terminal.

[Gabriel]

Ok, so can someone explain what the actual fuck is wrong with the US justice system?
The judge basically said "ok, so the guy is clearly guilty but the punishment will be nothing".
And something something... the constitution doesn't apply to the president. Err, yes it fucking does! Is she high or afraid of the maga mob?

Its all fucked. The US is not a nation of laws, but of lawyers.

[Sorshen]

Ok, so can someone explain what the actual fuck is wrong with the US justice system?

Politicians get to pick which of their favorite judges get into the federal circuit.

[gondrin]

https://www.msn.com/en-US/news/polit...8&sc=shoreline

Trump’s Truth Social Parent Company Sues 20 Media Outlets

The company behind former President Donald Trump’s Truth Social wants $1.5 billion in damages from news organizations which reported that the platform had lost $73 million.

Lawyers for Trump Media & Technology Group Corp. said in a lawsuit filed Monday in state court in Sarasota County, Florida, that the number was “an utter fabrication” and accused 20 news outlets of a “deliberate, malicious, and coordinated attack” against Truth Social.

Outlets including the Guardian and Reuters posted stories early last week about Truth Social’s financial condition, citing a regulatory filing by its merger partner, Digital World Acquisition Corporation, a special-purpose acquisition company. Later, at least some of the outlets, including Reuters, posted corrections on their stories.

Launched last year, Truth Social has been Trump’s social network of choice since he was banned from Twitter and suspended from Meta Platforms Inc.’s Facebook and Instagram after the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol insurrection.

Representatives of the Guardian and Reuters didn’t immediately respond to requests for comment.

The case is Trump Media & Technology Group Corp. v. Guardian News and Media LLC, Circuit Court of Twelfth Judicial Circuit, Sarasota County, Florida.

[Dontrike]

https://www.msn.com/en-US/news/polit...8&sc=shoreline

It's adorable they think any damage was done there, let alone 800x more than Orange Xwitter was ever worth.

[Breccia]

"The company behind former President Donald Trump’s Truth Social wants $1.5 billion in damages from news organizations which reported that the platform had lost $73 million."

So Trump has learned what defamation is after all. He says the story is false, he says everyone knew it was false, he says they published it anyhow, and he says they did so maliciously. He says nearly nothing else, only "this is exactly the four things required for defamation".

What he hasn't learned is, you can't just make shit up for a court case. Because Trump is lying. Again.

This is an SEC-dot-gov form filed by DWAC. This is the official, mandatory, required, government filing by Trump's business partners. This was the filing that the various articles filing their news articles referred to.

That's going to be enough to sink his case.

Trump will never, never, be able to prove these media companies all got together to ruin Trump's life.

They didn't.

He will also never be able to prove his demonstrably failing company lost a billion plus because of this report which came out last year.

This is a screaming toddler flailing on the floor yelling NO NO NO and pounding his tiny fists.

[gondrin]

[postman1782]

https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...itness-2023-11

So, a handwritten note on one of his fraudulent deals saying that Trump gets the final say, ties Trump to the fraud.



And another one that has added $151 million in assets they haven't even signed for yet in his net worth.

In one key cautionary note from the 2015 draft, McConney made a notation in ink that, "This computation also includes forecasted deals that have not signed yet." In the note, McConney was suggesting Trump forego including some $151 million in as-yet-fictional assets in the net-worth statement, arguing that these deals "have not signed yet."

[Breccia]

And another one that has added $151 million in assets they haven't even signed for yet in his net worth.

I mean, we all knew something was on the list. Nobody's taking a swing at Trump without ironclad evidence. This looks positively magnetic.

- - - Updated - - -

Trump Org witnesses play the victim card.

"Oh I'm so rich and white and rich and broke the law for 35 years, please don't literally judge me."

Ex-Trump executive Jeffrey McConney took the witness stand for the fourth day in the trial. The case was brought against the former president by New York Attorney General Letitia James (D).

When asked by defense lawyer Jesus M. Suarez why he no longer works at the company, McConney appeared to be crying while he discussed his over 35 years overseeing finances, the Associated Press (AP) reported.

“I’m very proud of the work that I did,” McConney told the New York court, before recounting the investigations and legal proceedings that he has been subpoenaed for or called to testify, per the AP.

“I just wanted to relax and stop being accused of misrepresenting assets for the company that I loved working for. I’m sorry,” McConney said with a trembling voice.

Oh, noes! Why does everyone accuse me of all those crimes I committed?

McConney worked at the Trump Organization from 1987 until this past February, telling the court he retired and is receiving a total of $500,000 in severance payments.

The former accountant also testified last month when called by the James’s office, where he explained how he and other executives determined asset values that he argued were legitimate. On Tuesday, McConney testified that he never meant to mislead anyone or to be inaccurate, adding he “felt comfortable” with the company’s valuations.

“I think everything was justified. Numbers don’t represent fully what these assets are worth,” he reportedly said.

So this brings up a far more vague topic, one that I'll use in terms of gun control, but it's hardly exclusive to gun control.

"We shouldn't outlaw XXX because the criminals won't obey those laws, and then, law-abiding citizens won't have XXX to fight back with!"
"Then why have laws at all?"

If numbers don't accurately represent value, then why are they required on loan applications and taxes? If the numbers don't mean anything, why have them at all?

I think Trump Tower is worth $1.00

"Whoa, it's clearly worth more than that!"

Then clearly you're a whore, and now we're just negotiating the price. I mean, then clearly the building's got a price, and that price has a number on it.

And yes, the witness seems to be trying to evade any kind of responsibility. Funny how being given half a million works.

[Amalaric]

The thing nobody wants to talk about regarding January 6th (I suspect because of all the really ugly questions it raises, that no one wants to deal with) is that the deployment of the Virginia National Guard to the Capitol was technically illegal. VA National Guard units were rolling into DC a little after 3pm. Authorization came hours later, once it became clear the coup was going to fail. And yes, I said coup, because that's what it was, even if was an Underpants Gnomes coup plan. It fell apart fast because 1) quick thinking on multiple fronts prevented coup-sympathizers from getting their hands on Vice-President Pence, Certificates of Vote, or any members of Congress, 2) the Governor of Virginia rolled the VA National Guard in to DC without any legal authority to do so (technically, they were conducting a counter-coup, but again, no one talks about it that way) which resulted in the coup-sympathizers fleeing the Capitol, and, 3) it was likely something of a half-baked, hail-Mary play anyway, because Donald Trump is not a competent leader. And once it had fallen apart, the grave mistake was made to assume that its failure would finish off Trump and there was no need for further action... and now the infection is potentially terminal.

A coup where not a single one were carrying a rifle or a pistol.

It was the coup of the unarmed citizens.

[Benggaul]

A coup where not a single one were carrying a rifle or a pistol.

It was the coup of the unarmed citizens.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics...uns-trump-lie/

Stop lying, liar.

[Amalaric]

Someone have been feeding you lies and it ain't me.