Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Benggaul]

Someone have been feeding you lies and it ain't me.

Way to back up your lie with nonsense, liar.

[unfilteredJW]

A coup where not a single one were carrying a rifle or a pistol.

It was the coup of the unarmed citizens.

You don't get to make up what words mean.

[Shadowferal]

Someone have been feeding you lies and it ain't me.

Yea...we'll just take your word. /s

[Breccia]

A coup where not a single one were carrying a rifle or a pistol.

It was the coup of the unarmed citizens.

As a Trump supporter who effectively vanished from these forums in 2019, it was very brave of you to break an effective four-year silence to admit it was a coup. It is always good to see Trump supporters who are willing to post genuinely, even if speaking the truth goes against their chosen candidate. Genuine posters who are Trump supporter are a rarity these days, it's good to see one in action.

[Endus]

A coup where not a single one were carrying a rifle or a pistol.

It was the coup of the unarmed citizens.

Even if this were true (it was not), it wouldn't even make it better. It was still a seditious attempt to overthrow the government.

If you don't like Mother Jones for some bullshit reason, here, drown in your own willful ignorance of the facts of what happened;

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/28/polit...eck/index.html
https://www.npr.org/2021/03/19/97787...-say-they-used
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md...fendants-guns/
https://www.vice.com/en/article/epzw...-rioters-armed
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/jus...wood-rcna79755
https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-...uary-6-1715326
https://nypost.com/2022/12/23/capito...ong-trump-mob/
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-...an-6-rcna37370

None of this shit is new. Anyone pushing the argument that Jan 6 was not an armed insurrection is either;

A> gullible beyond belief and blindly believing grifters and never bothering to check the facts, or
B> intentionally lying out of malice because they sympathize with the criminal seditionists.

[Bakis]

Someone have been feeding you lies and it ain't me.

Yay, A Flashback guy... <facepalm>

[Dontrike]

A coup where not a single one were carrying a rifle or a pistol.

It was the coup of the unarmed citizens.

Yeah, they were just in their cars, bombs were found, they were carrying zip ties to capture and then kill congressmen and the VP. Totally unarmed.

[prwraith]

A coup where not a single one were carrying a rifle or a pistol.

It was the coup of the unarmed citizens.

Are we whitewashing what coup means now?

[zorkuus]

Are we whitewashing what coup means now?

What coup?
It was Antifa!
No wait... the FBI
Something something... inside job

A little later... "Yeah we did try to seize power. Suck it"

[Myradin]

What coup?
It was Antifa!
No wait... the FBI
Something something... inside job

A little later... "Yeah we did try to seize power. Suck it"

You missed the part where they treated that one woman who got shot (while trying to break into the building) as a martyr, despite apparently being antifa/fbi/woke people etc.

[Gorsameth]

And the 'valiant patriots' who answered Trumps call and got jailed and prosecuted for it also didn't really appreciate being called Antifa

[Kaleredar]

And the 'valiant patriots' who answered Trumps call and got jailed and prosecuted for it also didn't really appreciate being called Antifa

I wonder if the people who stormed the capitol and were arrested, upon later seeing the conservative media sphere turn right back around in their faces and accuse them of being BLM or antifa or whoever ever had the dawning realization that "damn maybe these people we used to listen to who are now telling lies about us might also be lying about Trump having won or the vote being stolen... and maybe about other things too!"

Of course, after all of the ones still saying "TRUMP WON!" even after being convicted and thrown in jail, I doubt it.

[Breccia]

Trump is headed to yet another football game! Let's see how--





Yep, that looks about right.

[Kaleredar]

Trump is headed to yet another football game! Let's see how--





Yep, that looks about right.

Screw just Colombia. We need things like this going up all around the country.


Trump's supporters and anyone entertaining the thought of voting for him need to be reminded he is, indeed, a loser.

[Egomaniac]

Trump's supporters and anyone entertaining the thought of voting for him need to be reminded he is, indeed, a loser.

You can't remind someone of something they don't believe ever happened.

[Endus]

You can't remind someone of something they don't believe ever happened.

Frankly, it needs to be a lot more personal. You'll never get to Trump, really. You need to make public life untenable for Trump supporters, the same way you would for child molestors and dog fight ring owners. For basically the exact same reasons.

[Endus]

Eh, I don't know. The remaining true believers will diminish themselves back into obscurity and never vote again if Trump isn't on the ticket anymore. That's the only thing we can realistically do.

That's a win, though. Changing their minds isn't important. Rendering them politically and socially irrelevant is. If they want to dig themselves out of the pit they've dug themselves into, that's entirely up to them. I'm just endorsing filling that pit in and letting them sit down their in the dark with only each other for company while the rest of us move on with society.

[Kaleredar]

You can't remind someone of something they don't believe ever happened.

They'll be a lot less boisterous about it when everyone that's not as insane as them is holding that image in their head because they see it every day they go out.

Trump needs to be a laughing stock. Or rather, people need to be reminded of the laughing stock that he is.

Right now the only thing the GOP has on Biden is vague "well inflation and... economy..." And people not-so-politically astute need to be reminded that no, Trump is not the "well he wasn't that bad..." candidate. He's a loser, first and foremost, and a litany of terrible things after that.

To wit, I'd go even further. Start putting out various billboards showing exact stats on how Trump bungled the economy and various other easy, non-partisan statistics showing how bad of a president he was.

[Breccia]

Trump says he's "seriously looking" at Obamacare alternatives

The cost of Obamacare is out of control, plus, it's not good Healthcare!

We had a couple of Republican Senators who campaigned for 6 years against it, and--

"Question!"

...yes?

"Didn't he campaign and run in 2016 with a plan to repeal and replace the ACA?"

Yes, actually, he did. This CRFB article from 2016 details one of them. At the time, it says it would cost $330 billion even including proposed economic growth.

"It's seven years later. Why doesn't he have one yet? Why is he still 'seriously looking' and not 'I have one, here it is'?"

Uh...

"Also what cost is he talking about? Was there a new report, or budget issue, or something that specifically called it out?"

Uh...(searches recent headlines)...no, I can't find a recent headline.

"I can."

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A Troubling Trump Pardon and a Link to the Kushners

"That NYTimes headline isn't selling it but the Rolling Stone headline citing this article will: Trump’s Pardoning of a Loan Shark Derailed a Federal Investigation."

Voters want control of the border, but do they want Trump immigrant roundups and detention camps?

Ivanka Trump & Jared Kushner Reportedly Went to Drastic Financial Lengths to Start Their New Lives

"These are all from the last 24 hours. Not a one is about his many court cases, or his yelling at passing clouds about Israel-Hamas."

"Trump is losing ground on a variety of factors and is left doing what he doesn't want to do: talk about the issues. He thinks yelling 'Obamacare' will get him votes, problem is, he already has his own base. And again, he has no plan, despite saying he'd have one an entire ST:tNG run ago."

[Edge-]

Ivanka Trump & Jared Kushner Reportedly Went to Drastic Financial Lengths to Start Their New Lives

But the bulk of those mortgage loans were from the Trump Card author and Kushner, who took out $15 million for their swanky, newly-renovated $24 million Miami mansion.

Because of this, it’s reported that they will pay around $111,000 per month for 15 years for their mansion at Indian Creek Island, also known as the “Billionaire Bunker.”

That moment when you're family is so in tune with regular Americans and their struggles that the monthly mortgage payments are more than twice what most Americans bring in over the course of a year.

Also, we've heard the "repeal and replace" schtick before. Republicans ran on it from the moment that the ACA was passed up until 2017 when they frantically tried to come up with the "replace" part at the last minute and John McCain saved us from Republican anarchy.