Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Edge-]

I truly don't understand what is going on with Rudy, and I'm starting to seriously consider that there is something legit wrong with him that isn't just "Hi I'm in a cult."

Because this is pretty much nuts - for him to get slapped with a judgement I have no doubt he can't pay and then IMMEDIATELY turn around and say "yeah I meant it all and I'll say it again" is insane.

There are a group of conservatives who genuinely seem to believe if you can create your own reality through force of will alone, and if they repeat the lies that form the foundation of their reality enough then they'll be true.

[gondrin]

I'm 100% sure that 99% of gun nutters support Trump only as long as he doesn't step on their right to own and fingerfuck firearms.

The moment that Trump goes on tape calling for the rednecks to disarm is the moment he will get a bullet to the head.

Like... They might hate the left and the minorities, but they love their guns more.

If anyone looks at Trump and guns, he has NO issue with wanting to restrict or outright ban guns. Look at the bumpstock ban. The same people that would vote for him were outraged at that even though it was a sensible ban.

[Gabriel]

If anyone looks at Trump and guns, he has NO issue with wanting to restrict or outright ban guns. Look at the bumpstock ban. The same people that would vote for him were outraged at that even though it was a sensible ban.

People who vote for Trump are not sensible people.

[Edge-]

If anyone looks at Trump and guns, he has NO issue with wanting to restrict or outright ban guns. Look at the bumpstock ban. The same people that would vote for him were outraged at that even though it was a sensible ban.

Was gonna point this out. The Obama administration looked into banning bump stocks and at the time the ATF determined that such a restriction was outside of their authority.

Then Donald just went and did it which I applaud in many senses, but highlights how little understanding he and his team bring to the table as well as their general disinterest in Constitutionality.

[Flarelaine]

I truly don't understand what is going on with Rudy, and I'm starting to seriously consider that there is something legit wrong with him that isn't just "Hi I'm in a cult."

Because this is pretty much nuts - for him to get slapped with a judgement I have no doubt he can't pay and then IMMEDIATELY turn around and say "yeah I meant it all and I'll say it again" is insane.

The party of personal responsibility has gone so long without being held accountable that they cannot even process when it is happening any more.

- - - Updated - - -

Was gonna point this out. The Obama administration looked into banning bump stocks and at the time the ATF determined that such a restriction was outside of their authority.

Then Donald just went and did it which I applaud in many senses, but highlights how little understanding he and his team bring to the table as well as their general disinterest in Constitutionality.

Eh. Some of the time all doing something takes is not knowing it can't be done.

[Edge-]

https://thehill.com/regulation/court...engoron-james/

“Remember, the corrupt and radical Judge Engoron is a political hack who wouldn’t give us a Jury, wouldn’t let this ‘case’ go to the Commercial Division, where it belongs (would have been TERMINATED), incredibly ignored the Appellate Court decision that struck down almost 90% of this fake lawsuit based on Statute of Limitations, etc., and, Illegally and Unconstitutionally Gagged me and my lawyers, in a brazen and blatant attempt to prevent us from bringing vital information to the Public and the Courts,” Trump posted to Truth Social.

So to go through -

Engoron isn't engaged in politics, he's a judge.

Donald's attractive young attorney is out of her league and forgot to request a jury trial.

The case does not belong in the Commercial Division and Donalds attempts to have it dismissed have been repeatedly rejected.

The appeals court did not strike down "almost 90% of this fake lawsuit".

Donald's narrow gag order has been repeatedly challenged and has been affirmed by an appeals court after a temporary stay.

There is no "vital information" and there never has been. Just like there never has been when it comes to the Big Lie and all of Donald's cronies who continue to declare that they have all this proof but just nobody has seen it but they'll share it one day.

[Gorsameth]

https://thehill.com/regulation/court...engoron-james/



So to go through -

Engoron isn't engaged in politics, he's a judge.

Donald's attractive young attorney is out of her league and forgot to request a jury trial.

The case does not belong in the Commercial Division and Donalds attempts to have it dismissed have been repeatedly rejected.

The appeals court did not strike down "almost 90% of this fake lawsuit".

Donald's narrow gag order has been repeatedly challenged and has been affirmed by an appeals court after a temporary stay.

There is no "vital information" and there never has been. Just like there never has been when it comes to the Big Lie and all of Donald's cronies who continue to declare that they have all this proof but just nobody has seen it but they'll share it one day.

Can't wait for yet another nothing burger from this violation of his gag order.

I really really want Engoron to just order his incarceration to see that hilarity unfold. He has been warned enough, anyone else would have long since been jailed for contempt.

[Edge-]

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/19/u...e=articleShare

Former President Donald J. Trump is ineligible to hold office again, the Colorado Supreme Court ruled on Tuesday, accepting the argument that the 14th Amendment disqualifies him in an explosive decision that could upend the 2024 election.

Donald will not be on Colorado's ballot should he win the Republican primary, which it sure looks like he will. Maybe don't run if you've done the insurrection to disqualify yourself.

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userf...23/23SA300.pdf

Link to the full court ruling should anyone be interested in giving it a read.

[Corvus]

Is Colorado one of the swing states.

I expect the US supreme court will overturn it given the current numbers on it.

[Edge-]

Is Colorado one of the swing states.

I expect the US supreme court will overturn it given the current numbers on it.

I'm unsure if they would, or even if they'd have the authority to in this case. States largely have a lot of control and power over how they run elections and all.

Though I wouldn't be surprised to see it quickly appealed to federal courts with the goal of reaching the SCOTUS. I'm just unsure the exact process and details.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

Lindsay Graham on Trump timeline:



Looks like it's gonna need to be updated...

[bladeXcrasher]

I'm 100% sure that 99% of gun nutters support Trump only as long as he doesn't step on their right to own and fingerfuck firearms.

The moment that Trump goes on tape calling for the rednecks to disarm is the moment he will get a bullet to the head.

Like... They might hate the left and the minorities, but they love their guns more.

Trump is on tape saying take the guns and worry about due process later and they didn't care. The fact that gun nutters didn't care shows how shallow their shtick is.

[Gorsameth]

I'm unsure if they would, or even if they'd have the authority to in this case. States largely have a lot of control and power over how they run elections and all.

Though I wouldn't be surprised to see it quickly appealed to federal courts with the goal of reaching the SCOTUS. I'm just unsure the exact process and details.

They will, its an easy argument to say that the President isn't listed as an Officer of the United States so section 3 doesn't apply.
Its not a state election issue if they use the constitution as an argument for denying him

- - - Updated - - -

Trump is on tape saying take the guns and worry about due process later and they didn't care. The fact that gun nutters didn't care shows how shallow their shtick is.

Its the leopard eating face party.

Surely they don't mean my guns, but woke liberal guns. Just like they need to get those couch potatoes off their asses by denying them social security, But surely they won't touch my social security....

[Edge-]

They will, its an easy argument to say that the President isn't listed as an Officer of the United States so section 3 doesn't apply.
Its not a state election issue if they use the constitution as an argument for denying him

Well, then at least we'd have a definitive ruling on the matter and precedent for the future since there seems to be some disagreement on the part of different state Supreme Courts.

[gondrin]

Is Colorado one of the swing states.

I expect the US supreme court will overturn it given the current numbers on it.

Honestly, the US supreme court would have no authority to overrule this only involves how states run their elections. They have the right to disqualify someone for whatever reason they seem fit outside of protected classes. Not saying they won't outright or attempt to overrule this, just that states largely can decide who can or cannot run on their ballots. It is even in the US Constitution to be done this way.

- - - Updated - - -

Its the leopard eating face party.

Surely they don't mean my guns, but woke liberal guns. Just like they need to get those couch potatoes off their asses by denying them social security, But surely they won't touch my social security....

The irony of it all is that the vast majority of people who should not own a gun are the far right as they are generally not of sound mind. I've known a few in my life that should never be allowed to own a gun due to the fact they have shown they are a danger to others.

[Paranoid Android]

I'm not a fan of Colorado kicking Trump off the ballot. First I will go with that Trump has not been found guilty of anything.

Now let's get real. Republicans are reactionary and as we have seen with Biden s impeachment, Republicans will do anything for Trump. They won't need or use solid ground to start kicking the other party.

I have a bad feeling as a precedent. So who cares if Alabama does this. Now what happens if a purple orswing state, this is more of a problem.

[gondrin]

I'm not a fan of Colorado kicking Trump off the ballot. First I will go with that Trump has not been found guilty of anything.

Now let's get real. Republicans are reactionary and as we have seen with Biden s impeachment, Republicans will do anything for Trump. They won't need or use solid ground to start kicking the other party.

I have a bad feeling as a precedent. So who cares if Alabama does this. Now what happens if a purple orswing state, this is more of a problem.

Yes, the Republicans will try and take people off of the ballot. They will still have to argue in their state courts that the person is disqualified to run which will be a hard thing to do.

[Breccia]

Once again it's time to play Guess the Speaker!

Trump’s opening himself up to the Hitler comparison.

You could say the ‘vermin’ remark or the ‘poisoning the blood’ remark, maybe one of them would be a coincidence. But both of them pretty much make it clear that there’s something thematic going on, and I can’t believe it’s accidental.

"That could be anyone, doesn't matter, they're Godwinning themselves, since anyone bringing up Hitler automatically loses."

Unlikely. That's the Mike Godwin, and he never said that.

I’ve never said that just because you’re invoking the Nazis you’re losing the argument. If you’re going to compare somebody to Hitler or the Nazis or raise the specter of the Holocaust, be sure you’ve got your facts right. But there’s nothing categorically wrong with Biden’s — or anyone else’s — comparison of Trump calling people vermin or talking about blood poisoning to Hitler.

I wasn’t a particular scholar of Hitler or the Nazis before, and I still don’t count as one, but I’ve always taken pains to know enough history to know whether a comparison was valid. And in general, dehumanizing rhetoric is a hallmark of Hitler’s rhetoric. So, Trump’s opening himself up to the Hitler comparison.

Godwin then continued the interview by explaining why he made his famous law. In summary, if you call everyone Hitler, then the truly horrifying behavior of one of humanity's worst monsters gets downplayed or forgotten. Something that would take the punch out of "Donald Trump is literally acting like Hitler".

Godwin goes on to say that Hitler's writings and speeches both had dehumanizing elements, but also had a lot of repetition. Think back to Trump's rallies. He does the same, because (to Godwin) if you keep repeating the same lines over and over, they make the headlines.

The question is why do it on purpose. Well, my opinion is that Trump believes, for whatever reason, that there is some part of his base that really wants to hear this message said that way, and he’s catering to them. He finds it both rewarding personally for himself and he believes it’s necessary to motivate people to help him get elected again.

That is Godwin, the Godwin, saying that Trump is following Hitler's playbook on purpose, and trying to rally Nazi-like followers on purpose.

Simply put, it is fair and valid to compare someone to Hitler when they're intentionally acting like Hitler. Trump is intentionally acting like Hitler.

[DarkTZeratul]

They will, its an easy argument to say that the President isn't listed as an Officer of the United States so section 3 doesn't apply.

That's what Denver said, and then like an idiot Trump decided to appeal that decision up the chain. I'm not sure how often it happens that someone appeals, gets a worse outcome than before, and then appeals again to go back to the original decision.

[Breccia]

I'm not a fan of Colorado kicking Trump off the ballot. First I will go with that Trump has not been found guilty of anything.

Yeah, gonna side with this. I have no problem with him being kicked off...when he's found guilty of an appropriate crime.