1. #87881
    Quote Originally Posted by Doctor Amadeus View Post
    I wasn’t duped. I wasn’t for it.
    You were duped. You listed as a reason why YOU would vote for him.

    So What are some reasons for ME to Vote for Trump though?

    1. Lower Taxes.
    2. He has a Tough on Crime approach at least that is what he says.
    3. Strong boarder Control. (I don't mean the stupid wall.)
    That's you, boo.

    You still believe that a Trump Presidency means lower taxes for you. You have been duped.
    On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.

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  2. #87882
    That well is dry fellas.

  3. #87883
    Quote Originally Posted by Doctor Amadeus View Post
    Yes collectively, I was talking about individually and short term, over all it contributed to a fuck ton of poverty also, but I was meaning this more as an objective point in his favor in terms of those that it applied to individually and short term
    In the short term it was fucking stupid at best and in the long term it has turned out to be idiocies' second cousin. That "short term" was you being blind to the actual problems of doing a tax cut at the time, which wasn't needed, because Trump flashed some money in your face, making you one of those pigeons that he loves to swindle.

    Quote Originally Posted by Doctor Amadeus View Post
    I support Trump on borer Control, on this one I outside of the dumbass wall idea, I won't put on his shoulders, EVERY nation accounts for and controls their borders, right or wrong that is a reality and good policy.

    Children crossing the border is a reality, however dealing with that is what border enforcement is for, and it is an important policy.


    I won't disagree about the ills, nor would I vilify anyone migrating for opportunity, but that being said, those who are also legal residence, also have rights. The system should be improved, but there aren't any systems we are perfect with, but as I said short of the wall I support Trump on this.
    But Trump in no way tried to improve anything about border control. The wall was a stupid idea, the concentration camps were an atrocity, and you fearing brown people doesn't address any of the reasons why people come here nor why it suddenly became an issue 20 years ago, even though it wasn't really a problem then or before, that Republicans have not figured out while having the majority a majority of the time. He doesn't want to fix it, he uses illegals and if he shut the border down all he'd be doing is finding a way to sell children and get illegals into his hotels to work for pennies on the dollar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doctor Amadeus View Post
    I did personally benefit as did the business I own. Along with others who Trump and the GOP said they’d do more for.
    "It helped me, therefore it was a good idea." Him doing it again would only increase the debt further for little reason other than to placate the ignorant. (Hint)

    That said should he get elected tax cuts would be 1 of the 3 good things about it.
    It wouldn't, and that's the part people responding to you are questioning.

    I’m not going to make up reason to hate or like him.
    You literally are coming up with a reason, three in fact, to like him, and those reasons are not good.

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  4. #87884
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...618bfee27&ei=9

    'I’m finished with this stiff': Trump flips out on Ohio's GOP governor

    Reacting to the news that Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine vetoed a ban on gender-affirming care in his state, Donald Trump raged at the popular Ohio Republican and let him know he would no longer be welcome at his rallies.

    On Friday DeWine declared he would not sign a bill from the GOP-dominated legislature that would not only ban gender-affirming care for residents of Ohio but also those from neighboring states who are forced to travel because their own states have blocked them.

    Announcing his decision, the Ohio Republican explained, "This bill would impact a very small number of Ohio’s children. But for those children who face gender dysphoria, the consequences of this bill could not be more profound. Ultimately I believe this is about protecting human life. Many parents have told me that their child would not have survived, would be dead today, if they had not received the treatment they received from one of Ohio’s children’s hospitals.”

    News of the DeWine decisions set Trump off on his Truth Social platform where he called DeWine a "stiff" doing the bidding of the "Radical Left."

    He wrote, "DeWine has fallen to the Radical Left. No wonder he gets loudly booed in Ohio every time I introduce him at Rallies, but I won’t be introducing him any more (sic)."

    "I’m finished with this 'stiff.' What was he thinking. The bill would have stopped child mutilation, and prevented men from playing in women’s sports. Legislature will hopefully overturn. Do it FAST!!!" he added.

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    Let's compare New Year's musical celebrity endorsements, shall we?

    1) Green Day changes words of "American Idiot" to target MAGA on the national stage.

    Frontman Billie Joe Armstrong drew cheers from the live audience when he sang out, “I’m not part of the MAGA agenda” during his performance. The original line is, “I’m not a part of a redneck agenda.”
    Now, that's a Rolling Stone article, but there's plenty of others. Go ahead and Google "green day" in the last 24 hours.

    By contrast, this article was harder to find:

    2) Vanilla Ice, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle rock out at Trump New Year’s Eve party at Mar-a-Lago

    That's the Palm Beach Post. Not a bad source, just not exactly the national stage. It was them, or AOL.com. No, really, AOL still exists. Not even FOX News covered this. Trump threw a pity party...and nobody cared.

    Nice nice, baby!

    #VanillaIce was trending on Monday, Jan. 1, New Year’s Day, thanks to his New Year’s Eve performance at Mar-a-Lago, the private club of former president Donald Trump.

    Trump rang in the new year, watching passively as rapper Vanilla Ice performed on stage, according to videos on Twitter. Joining the ‘90s rapper? A Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle — likely Michelangelo since he wore an orange mask — dancing with a mix of karate moves next to the rapper. Trump can be seen in the videos toward the back of the room away from the dance floor as people danced or jumped and cell phones snapped video of Vanilla Ice and Michaelangelo.
    "Passively"?

    Other sources at least as good as Some Guy On Twitter used the term "looking miserable".

    "Does Trump have the licensing rights to TMNT?"

    IDGAF.

    Vanilla Ice has headlines for Trump's New Year's before, namely, 2021. Yep, the one where he'd just lost the election but hadn't fully committed a murderous insurrection yet. But, hey, at least his wife was there this time!



    I did say "looking miserable".

  6. #87886
    So only Michaelangelo the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle showed up? So is there a political rift between Leonardo, Donatello, Raphael? Are these 3 Biden supporters? Never Trumpers? I have to know.

    Says the Michaelangelo was a Time Square performer. Costume looked alright. The crowd was what I expected. Gawd that would be torture to be at that party.
    "You think you just fell out of a coconut tree?’

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    Good on Vanilla Ice for still finding paying gigs, I hope he actually gets paid for his performance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paranoid Android View Post
    So only Michaelangelo the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle showed up? So is there a political rift between Leonardo, Donatello, Raphael? Are these 3 Biden supporters? Never Trumpers? I have to know.

    Says the Michaelangelo was a Time Square performer. Costume looked alright. The crowd was what I expected. Gawd that would be torture to be at that party.
    Mikey definitely gives me “grew up to be a Joe Rogan bro” vibes, so kinda makes sense.
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    Kaleredar is right...
    Words to live by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Good on Vanilla Ice for still finding paying gigs, I hope he actually gets paid for his performance.
    You might hope, but you have doubts.

    One, it's Trump.

    Two, Vanilla Ice is desperate for publicity.

    Three, he's been to these before -- I think he shows up as a guest and just ends up onstage.

    And four, it's Trump.

  10. #87890
    Trump's defense strategy goes beyond stalling as we see what new stupidity his lawyers have in store for us while they hope to their various gods that Trump pays them and that he wins the election.

    "Much of Donald Trump’s legal strategy in his federal 2020 election interference case has, so far, centered around trying to delay the start of his March trial until after the November presidential election.

    But in recent court filings, and according to sources familiar with the Trump team’s approach, other defense strategies have emerged – namely of absolving Trump, the front-runner for the GOP nomination, of responsibility for the US Capitol attack and positioning him as a victim of disinformation and overzealous government investigators.

    Two under-the-radar court filings from Trump’s team in late November offered the clearest glimpse yet into what the former president’s lawyers may try to argue before a jury in the historic case. The filings say that his lawyers hope during the trial to point to people in the federal government he suspects are biased toward him, to foreign influence, and to election disinformation that led him to believe the 2020 contest was stolen.

    The foreign interference defense

    Trump’s team has already asked a judge to allow him access to more government documents, including classified information from his administration, that he believes would back up his argument that the election result couldn’t be trusted.

    Prosecutors “cannot blame President Trump for public discord and distrust of the 2020 election results while refusing to turn over evidence that foreign actors stoked the very same flames,” his lawyers wrote in court in late November.

    “Evidence of covert foreign disinformation campaigns relating to the 2020 election supports the defense argument that President Trump and others acted in good faith even if certain reports were ultimately determined to be inaccurate.”

    One of the foreign actions they’ve pointed to came from Russia’s foreign intelligence service and a hack of the SolarWinds software that compromised data at several federal agencies in December 2020. Trump’s legal team wrote that attack meant “there were reasonable concerns about the integrity of the election and the possibility of technical penetrations of election infrastructure.”

    Trump’s recent court filings also seek access to intelligence about Iran and China attempting to interfere in US politics. The Justice Department has argued that allowing evidence into the case regarding possible false claims by foreign actors could confuse a jury and is not relevant to Trump’s state of mind when he pushed false claims of election fraud publicly.

    Trump team looks to special counsel investigators

    Trump’s team is also trying to unearth how other investigative agencies in the federal government looked at his actions after the 2020 election – as a way of trying to highlight that he wasn’t charged until a special counsel was appointed by Attorney General Merrick Garland in November 2022. Undermining the prosecution by pointing to politics could be an opportunity to help Trump before a jury, sources familiar with the strategy told CNN.

    The special counsel’s office is asking Judge Tanya Chutkan to block any attempts Trump makes to nullify his jury, which his lawyers could do by trying to inject politics into the evidence presented. Nullifying means convincing at least one juror to vote to acquit him even if prosecutors prove the case against him beyond a reasonable doubt.

    Central to this strategy are the prosecutors on the case against Trump now. They had sought to look at false allegations of fraud and the fake electors scheme in 2020 and 2021 for the Justice Department and Michael Sherwin, the former acting DC US Attorney who spoke to “60 Minutes” about the possibility of sedition charges related to the Capitol attack.

    Trump’s team has asked the court to expand the legal definition of the prosecution team to include other agencies, including the US attorney’s office in DC, so prosecutors would be prompted to turn over extensive documents from them to Trump’s defense team for review. That could slow down the case, some of the sources told CNN.

    “Based on public statements from attorneys on behalf of the USAO-DC that are inconsistent with the Special Counsel’s theory of January 6, it is a virtual certainty that there are similar nonpublic documents and private communications relating to this issue,” Trump’s team wrote to the court in late November.

    Pointing to ‘political bias’ against Trump

    Trump’s team also said members of the intelligence community and law enforcement who may become trial witnesses may have “political bias” against him. Even so, several of Trump’s former Cabinet members – such as then-Attorney General Bill Barr, then-Vice President Mike Pence and several top intelligence officials – could be called to testify against him at the trial. Many were vocal after the election that there was no widespread fraud and have in recent months criticized Trump.

    Trump’s team has also noted that it may be tested at trial whether he believed he would have won the 2020 presidential election had it not been for widespread voter fraud. But the prosecution’s charges against Trump signal they’ve gathered significant evidence of top advisers in both his campaign and administration telling him the results meant he could not win, and that he ignored the facts to rally his supporters to violence.

    Prosecutors from special counsel Jack Smith’s office within the Justice Department are trying to eliminate before the trial many of these defenses – highlighting them to Chutkan in a recent filing.

    It will be up to Chutkan to determine if the tactics Trump’s team has hinted at can be used at trial, and what exactly the lawyers are able to present to the jury through witnesses and evidence.

    “The Court should not permit the defendant to turn the courtroom into a forum in which he propagates irrelevant disinformation, and should reject his attempt to inject politics into this proceeding,” the prosecutors wrote in a filing days after Christmas. “Evidence is not relevant upon a party’s mere say-so; it must be connected to the charges in the indictment or to a legitimate defense supported by sufficient evidence.”

    Trump doesn’t have a deadline at this time to respond to the DOJ’s filings in court, and Chutkan doesn’t have the ability to set parameters for the trial and evidence-gathering while part of Trump’s case is being appealed.

    A question of timing

    Trump’s trial is currently scheduled for March 4 in Washington, DC’s federal court – the day before the Super Tuesday nominating contests. But that date could move, as Trump continues to pursue appeals. And delays in the appellate courts’ decisions could quickly push the schedule back months.

    The most likely delay may come from the DC Circuit Court of Appeals, which is hearing arguments January 9 on whether Trump has immunity from being tried as a criminal defendant because of his role as president and the impeachment trial where he was acquitted by the US Senate following the January 6 attack.

    The Supreme Court is also likely to be asked to look at those issues before Trump’s trial can begin.

    Trump also continues to pursue appeals over a gag order Chutkan placed on him in October, which was recently refined by the DC Circuit.

    The former president has argued the unfairness of that order should prompt the delay of his trial date until after the election, but that argument has gained no traction in the courts."
    The "there's bias because we don't have access to every file 'cause Trump took them and we don't have clearance" is certainly a defense. Not a good one, but it certainly is a defense that will buy them three days.
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  11. #87891
    The immediate and obvious question is why he comes with this now and why was none of this evidence of foreign interference shown at any of the hundred cases where he tried to fight the result of the election while he was still in office and had direct access to this supposedly classified intelligence information.

    (obv the answer is because it doesn't exist)
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

  12. #87892
    Oh Donald, you sure talk alot. I guess you talked about immunity before but in a different context.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...98bc9d25&ei=11

    Donald Trump Skewered by Past Remarks About Presidential Immunity

    Donald Trump previously claimed in court that a president can be prosecuted once they leave the White House, special counsel Jack Smith's latest filing to an appeal court said.

    Smith's filing suggests that Trump has been caught by his own words as he seeks complete immunity from his upcoming election interference trial.

    In a filing at the weekend, Smith noted a submission in Trump v. Vance, in which then-President Trump sought to avoid a grand jury subpoena issued by then-Manhattan District Attorney Cy Vance.

    Vance led a three-year investigation into Donald Trump's finances that did not result in any indictment.

    In the Vance case, Trump's attorney submitted a legal document arguing that Trump sought only temporary immunity that "'would expire when the President leaves office' and therefore would not place the President 'above the law,'" Smith's court of appeals filing said.

    "Indeed, the Executive Branch and multiple Presidents, including the defendant, have consistently acknowledged that any criminal immunity ends once a President leaves office," Smith added.

    Trump was indicted on four counts of allegedly working to overturn the results of the 2020 election in the run-up to the January 6, 2021, riot at the U.S. Capitol. A jury will be selected in Washington, D.C., in February with a trial date set for March 4. He has pleaded not guilty to the charges.

    It is one of four criminal cases that Trump is facing while he campaigns as the frontrunner for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination. He has also pleaded not guilty to charges in the three other cases and has repeatedly said that they form part of a political witch hunt.

    Newsweek reached out to Trump's attorney via email for comment on Tuesday.

    The filing was submitted ahead of oral arguments scheduled for January 9.

    In December, Tanya Chutkan, the judge in Trump's election interference trial, refused his application for presidential immunity. Trump is now appealing that refusal to the Washington, D.C. Court of Appeals. All pre-trial motions in Chutkan's court have been halted while the Court of Appeals decides on Trump's presidential immunity. Trump's lawyers are refusing to handle any trial documents sent to them by Smith's office, including a proposed trial schedule.

    In his submission, Smith said that Trump is looking for a "license" to commit crimes to stay in office.

    "Rather than vindicating our constitutional framework, the defendant's sweeping immunity claim threatens to license presidents to commit crimes to remain in office. The founders did not intend and would never have countenanced such a result," Smith wrote.

    Former federal prosecutor Joyce Vance wrote in her Civil Discourse blog on Monday that Smith's brief "tags Trump with an inconsistency between this position and the argument he made in an earlier case to avoid the reach of the law."

    "The tone is gentle, but the argument is strong," she wrote.
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    So, I guess Florida is going to pay for DJT's legal bills since he won't.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...b98946aa&ei=10

    Florida’s CFO Proposes Plan for Taxpayers to Foot Trump’s Legal Bills

    Florida’s chief financial officer, Jimmy Patronis, has caused controversy with a proposal to establish a legal defense fund using taxpayer dollars to cover the legal fees of any Florida presidential candidate facing prosecution.

    The suggestion, presented at the Florida Republican Party’s Freedom Summit, was specifically framed to address what Patronis called a “double standard of justice” faced by former President Donald Trump.

    Patronis outlined the idea during his speech at the summit, telling the crowd, “Imagine if we could fix the double standard of justice that doesn’t lock up a Hunter Biden but does everything possible to prosecute a President Donald Trump.”
    The proposed legal defense fund would be available for any Florida presidential candidate encountering legal issues from prosecutors associated with the Department of Justice, who he perceives as “politically motivated prosecutors.” Trump, currently a frontrunner for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination, is facing 91 felony counts across federal and state courts.

    Patronis argued that since Florida is currently experiencing its “best fiscal health,” the allocation of funds to cover legal fees for presidential candidates would be possible, emphasizing the importance of protecting those willing to run for office.

    He said to the crowd, “When these men and women are brave enough to put their name on the ballot, we should protect them. ” He then suggested naming the fund the “Defending Florida Fighters Fund.”

    Patronis has since shared clips of his speech to X, sparking a wave of criticism in response, particularly focused on the inappropriate misuse of taxpayer dollars. As discussions unfold, the question of whether a legal defense fund is a justifiable use of surplus funds is a real point of contention.

  13. #87893
    Quote Originally Posted by gondrin View Post
    So, I guess Florida is going to pay for DJT's legal bills since he won't.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...b98946aa&ei=10
    Finally, a tax that Republicans can rally behind!

    I swear, the genuflecting towards Dear Orange is fucking pathetic.

    "Freedom Summit" fucking rofl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gondrin View Post
    So, I guess Florida is going to pay for DJT's legal bills since he won't.
    Oooh. This will be an interesting case study. If there is one fundamental principle behind GOP's philosophy other than hatred of minorities and the "radical left" it's hatred of taxes.

    Will that hatred outweigh the cult devotion? Or will the cult say "we love you Trump, have our babies, but pay your own legal bills"?

    Or, most likely, this is yet more performative politics and this plan won't actually go anywhere.
    Forum badass alert:
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    It's called resistance / rebellion.
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    Also, one day the tables might turn.

  15. #87895
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-...-cohen-in-2020

    Former President Donald Trump won’t face repercussions over the way he appears to have used federal prison guards to intimidate his former lawyer, Michael Cohen, jailing and silencing him in 2020 ahead of his tell-all memoir about the billionaire’s mob-like behavior.

    On Tuesday, the Second Circuit Court of Appeals in New York affirmed a federal judge’s decision to dismiss the case, which dealt with a particularly authoritarian episode in the final year of Trump’s presidency. The three-judge panel wouldn’t let Cohen use a legal remedy that allows someone who’s been abused by federal agents to seek justice for the misconduct.

    However, the panel tacitly acknowledged that something unfair clearly happened. The judges noted how the then-president’s archenemy was thrown back in prison on flimsy reasoning, and how the case was only resolved through some extraordinary intervention by a judge who eventually ordered that Cohen should be released.

    Ironically, the judges ruled it was that very intervention that now prevents Cohen from holding Trump and certain government agents accountable, citing a 1971 Supreme Court case called Bivens v. Six Unknown Named Agents.

    “While this relief may not have made Cohen whole, ‘when alternative methods of relief are available, a Bivens remedy usually is not,’” they wrote on Tuesday.
    Sweet, so Donald has already gotten away with literally jailing political opponents and will face on consequences.

    Fucking sweet. Fucking awesome. I hate everything. Fuck Cohen, but god damnit at some point there has to be some kind of fucking consequences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gondrin View Post

    So, I guess Florida is going to pay for DJT's legal bills since he won't.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...b98946aa&ei=10
    This is the most ass lick, suck off proposal ever. My goodness what they would say and do for this guy.

    I feel horrible for people of Florida. Dems really effed up that state but maybe it was inevitable. Now enough broken brain, conservatives moved in from Covid and they have a strangle hold on the State government. Oh I would bet anything that this tax would not effect the millionaire plus people. Make the scrubs pay for this PoS legal bills.
    "You think you just fell out of a coconut tree?’

  17. #87897
    Quote Originally Posted by gondrin View Post
    Oh Donald, you sure talk alot. I guess you talked about immunity before but in a different context.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...98bc9d25&ei=11



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    So, I guess Florida is going to pay for DJT's legal bills since he won't.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...b98946aa&ei=10
    Get fucked, Florida.

  18. #87898
    https://themessenger.com/politics/tr...total-immunity

    Former President Donald Trump on Tuesday took to social media to share a report that, according to him, shows "fully verified" election fraud in the 2020 election, claiming that when he was pointing out ballot issues he was not campaigning and thus should be granted presidential immunity in special counsel Jack Smith's investigation into him.

    The report shared by Trump is titled "Summary of Election Fraud in the 2020 Presidential Election in the Swing States," and is divided in sections dedicated to Georgia, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Arizona and Michigan.

    "I am pleased to share a Report that is fully verified, most of the information was gotten from Government Sources, Tapes, and other Public Records, and compiled by the most highly qualified Election Experts in the Country," Trump wrote on Truth Social without providing evidence of who verified the documents.

    According to the former president, the report shows "hundreds of thousands of votes per swing state" that would be more than enough for him to win.
    Wow, he's got proof that he won 2020?! Why didn't he share it back in 2020?! Or 2021? Or 2022? Or 2023? Why wait until 2024 to share it?

    "Therefore I am entitled to Total Immunity, because that is exactly what I was doing, Taking Care of our Country, and Guarding it from Rigged and Stolen Elections."
    You can't just declare bankruptcy because you say so, dude. Repeating that you have "Total Immunity" doesn't make it true.

  19. #87899
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    You can't just declare bankruptcy because you say so, dude. Repeating that you have "Total Immunity" doesn't make it true.
    Is it just me or has the random capitalization gotten worse? It read like someone trying to shoehorn movie titles into a conversation.

  20. #87900
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Finally, a tax that Republicans can rally behind!

    I swear, the genuflecting towards Dear Orange is fucking pathetic.

    "Freedom Summit" fucking rofl.
    I'm losing my fucking mind about how these fucking boot lickers are so pathetic that not only they gargle Trump's cum and ball sweat, but they even try to adopt his butchery of the English language.

    Patronis outlined the idea during his speech at the summit, telling the crowd, “Imagine if we could fix the double standard of justice that doesn’t lock up a Hunter Biden but does everything possible to prosecute a President Donald Trump.”
    "a President Donald Trump" - What is this fucking sentence? Is "President Donald Trump" one of several different "Presidents Donald Trump"? What is that fucking article doing there? Like with Hunter Biden the article refers to a type of person...but how the fuck does that work with "a President Donald Trump". Also the obsession with endlessly referring to him as "president".

    Who the fuck speaks like this? What does this even fucking mean? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRGHHHHHHHHHH!
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