Best I can figure, some Quixotic crusade to do everything possible to avoid the appearance of bias and have a long history of accommodating and tolerant actions to point to highlight his neutrality.
I wonder if he realizes how pointless this endeavor is, because the simple fact that Donald has already lost the fraud case is enough for MAGA types to call in bomb threats and accuse him of being a liberal stooge etc. etc. etc. etc., as he's already seen with the insane conspiracy theories about his staff.
People just gotta stop treating Republicans/conservatives as acting in good faith by default, or at all. They need to earn that, and they haven't earned that any time in recent history that I can remember.
Well, he got his Hitler moment. The only difference is tRump isn't going to jail.
So tired of this shit, on what this bitch ass baby gets away with.
See I'm tired as others have stated on spineless people and have so many in the system. Judging a book by its cover, Engoron looks like he gave up his lunch to the bullies at school. Seriously this judge is party of the system that doesn't ever want to upset the system.
As reported, possibly by someone here that Engoron and Trump's lawyer were emailing back and forth and Engoron setting guidelines, such as political speech, threatening the court, etc. What happens?
"Buh dah DEMS"
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
My assumption for some time as well. I do not believe Trump said anything in any way that was going to change the facts of the law, and therefore, the decision coming his way...shortly.
Hadn't thought of that. Also, I don't think they will, either. Trump is 400 pounds of white privilege in a 300 pound bag.
At this point I wouldn't be surprised if the decision is to let him off with less than a slap on the wrist. I am 90% sure he or his business doesn't have to face any meaningful punishment.
It would be a tall order indeed.
This little rant that Trump provided the court (and the record) is a perfect example of why his revolving door of attorneys have been beyond terrified of having Trump go on the record in any capacity. The things he says on the stand are sworn testimony, and subject to all the laws and punishments available, including further prosecution for new crimes.
Interestingly, closing arguments are not sworn testimony, which is why I think his attorney "let" him speak (I'm not 100% on that item though).
And in the broader picture, and as many have already noted, our legal system is broken/breaking. The fact that someone as felonious and contemptable as Trump is still allowed to stalk the courts with his lies and drivel, begging for violent action in defense of his "good name", is beyond atrocious. Any other defendant would have already been behind bars on multiple contempt charges.
On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.
- H. L. Mencken
Hell, you just need to put the standard at "I need a heartfelt apology and retraction of everything untoward stated by the Defendant" as the requirement to let him out of a jail cell, and Trump will never get out.
But no. Instead, Engoron's a fuckin' pussy. You should be holding Trump to the same standards as you'd hold a 19 year old gang member up on drug charges. Anything less is the definition of "corruption". You're giving someone a free pass on abusing your courtroom because they're rich. Grow a fuckin' spine, Engoron, there's nothing he can do to you and if his terrorist cultists are gonna bomb you, they're gonna bomb you anyway.
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Puts a bit of a damper on his ability to campaign, particularly if the prison decides not to allow special communications privileges (so he's stuck using public phones on calls to lawyers and the like, not press junkets in meeting rooms)
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Sure, but:
a) it's unlikely he'd even go to an actual prison
b) even if he did it's unlikely they'd cut off his access like that.
c) if they did it would just fuel his "witchhunt" claims
d) Republicans will vote for the republican candidate even if he is in jail
They've been bending over backwards to show that Donald Trump isn;t being treated unfairly... but the side effect of that is just to put a spotlight on how unfair it is to everyone else.
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On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.
- H. L. Mencken
I am disappointed to learn that you can lie during closing arguments with no consequences. Perhaps that's why Trump insisted on giving the closing -- he could lie all he wanted.
However, I was moderately sure that you could not introduce evidence during them, either, and the things Trump said, yes they were false, but were presented as facts. The judge could have shut him off on the spot and chose not to.
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I, personally, want to see the debates if Trump is in prison. Not because he'd have to Zoom the debates in an orange jumpsuit, but because he just wouldn't go, and Biden could keep pointing that out with hours and hours of free publicity.
He will appeal any guilty finding of course, this is a pipe dream.
Normally you can't introduce new evidence in closing arguments - especially in a jury trial (still ultimate LOL'd that Trump's Bigly Excellent attorneys fucked that up). Had this been a jury trial, he would have been shut down immediately - despite Engoron's impotence.
However (and this is the watchword for Trump's entire life/career), because this was a judge trial, the judge can grant more leeway, because only the judge is evaluating the evidence in trial.
Same. Also, if he is actually in jail, the media will give him another $3B-$4B in free ad time because of it. Debating from jail - he might actually win.
appropriately for a man... sorry, an orange allegedly human male with an unidentified (and possibly dead?) mutant life form living on his head... named after breaking wind... he loves to talk our of his arse. the mystery is why his cultists line up to kiss it
but never assume that there isn't something more stupid that he could have said because the next time he makes a statement he'll prove that there's worse
“Do not lose time on daily trivialities. Do not dwell on petty detail. For all of these things melt away and drift apart within the obscure traffic of time. Live well and live broadly. You are alive and living now. Now is the envy of all of the dead.” ~ Emily3, World of Tomorrow
Words to live by.
Yes, if
a) he was subject to perjury for it (he's not), and/or
b) he was subject to contempt for it, and of course, the judge did something about it
You're right that the judge doesn't believe Trump, but at that point, why let him say anything? There was nothing to be gained here.