Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[alach]

I would like to think we try and debate with reason and not bully eh? It's important to hear all sides.
I think he was pointing out a way trump could stay in charge without altering any current laws or rules, something most dictators do while rewriting the laws to give themselves full power.

[zorkuus]

I would like to think we try and debate with reason and not bully eh? It's important to hear all sides.
I think he was pointing out a way trump could stay in charge without altering any current laws or rules, something most dictators do while rewriting the laws to give themselves full power.

And it was about as useful to the discussion as pointing out that sometimes people accidentally try to answer the tv remote when the phone rings.

[alach]

That's fine, just saying it's good to try to engage with some civility so people with a different perspective aren't chased off, instead of tried to be reasoned with.

[Gorsameth]

Nothing wrong with pointing out when people are being pedantic idiots. And they absolutely know they are being pedantic.

[shimerra]

correcting the record is useful. unless you want a forum with a bunch of false information.

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You not posting at all would be a far more significant drop in the false information on this forum than the time you wasted with your minor correction. So if correcting falsehoods is the spirit of your post I hope you take a good hard look at your posting history.

And considering the likelihood of the situation you were discussing happening your post was again about as useful as my cat throwing up on my keyboard is to my productivity. I suppose the argument could be made it was less useful than zero.........barely.

I would like to think we try and debate with reason and not bully eh? It's important to hear all sides.
I think he was pointing out a way trump could stay in charge without altering any current laws or rules, something most dictators do while rewriting the laws to give themselves full power.

I'm well aware of what he was doing thank you very little. That poster has a history of posting blatant falsehoods, supporting the Jan 6th insurrection, favoring appeasement of violent regimes and political extremists, and overall just wasting everyone's time. Being a pedantic asswipe to derail the discussion isn't helpful.


If you wish to entertain the homeless man wrapped in tin foil screaming the aliens in his bum are going to eat us all you do you. I personally wont bother debating that person. Even if he happens to get an answer right out of the blue. Trump is more likely to get hit by lightning twice in what remains of his life than the situation Kokolums described. And while technically correct, broken clock is right twice a day and all that, given his past it was almost certainly not done in good faith.

Not all sides are equally useful to listen to.

That's fine, just saying it's good to try to engage with some civility so people with a different perspective aren't chased off, instead of tried to be reasoned with.

No. This person has been given that grace multiple times and other better and more detail posters have taken the time to engage with him. It's a waste. You wanna try and piss a boulder uphill you do you. I'll pass.

[alach]

Nothing wrong with pointing out when people are being pedantic idiots. And they absolutely know they are being pedantic.

Isn't he pointing out a legal loophole in the same vein that Putin used before rewriting the law there? Or Erdogan? It's a scary thought and not beneath the Fat Orange Bastard.

[Benggaul]

That's fine, just saying it's good to try to engage with some civility so people with a different perspective aren't chased off, instead of tried to be reasoned with.

Unless those people are conspiracy-theorist jackasses constantly chomping at the bit for "CIVIL WAR!!11!!". Check their posting history here and maybe you'll find out why nobody here could give less of a fuck what their "perspective" is on anything or why it's fucking useless to "try to reason" with them. Being a sealioning pedant doesn't suddenly mean they have merit.

[Breccia]

Yup, Engoron gave Donald exactly what he wanted.

Carroll said the same thing. In a letter to the judge, Carroll's lawyers said Trump did this as a test run, and was about to do it in front of her jury.

Trump, wrote Carroll's attorney Roberta Kaplan in a letter to the judge, "May well perceive a benefit in seeking to poison these proceedings, where the only question for the jury is how much more he will have to pay in damages for defaming Ms. Carroll. This court should make clear from the outset that Mr. Trump is forbidden from engaging in such antics and will suffer consequences if he does so."

"It takes little imagination to think that Mr. Trump is gearing up for a similar performance here — only this time, in front of a jury," Kaplan added. "Indeed, as noted above, Mr. Trump promised a second round of this same scenario in his remarks to the press just yesterday."

I cannot think of a better response to "why do you think Trump will go off-topic and lie when giving a closing statement?" than "he did it yesterday".

[Gorsameth]

Isn't he pointing out a legal loophole in the same vein that Putin used before rewriting the law there? Or Erdogan? It's a scary thought and not beneath the Fat Orange Bastard.

The US is not a dictatorship (yet). There is quite a long long way to go before we have the GOP actively trying to push Trump back into WH for another term by abdicating the Presidency and VP for him.

[shimerra]

The US is not a dictatorship (yet). There is quite a long long way to go before we have the GOP actively trying to push Trump back into WH for another term by abdicating the Presidency and VP for him.

Especially when a key difference between the US and Putin is Trump would first have to get elected to the house. Then elected as speaker. And then either assassinate or hope both the President and VP die/get impeached and removed from office. While Trump has a death grip on hardcore Republicans most government workers, a majority of independents, and almost all democrats hate him. And his Republican support is showing cracks. It's not zero but it's infinitely closer to zero than not.

In Russia Putin already controls basically the entire political process and the prime minister is appointed. So he already controlled the puppet president, the election process that got that president in office, and the state Durma that appointed him prime minister in-between terms because Russia only allows two consecutive terms at a time. Very very very different situations @alach.

[Edge-]

Donald owes the NYT $400K.

A judge in New York has ordered Donald Trump to fork over nearly $400,000 in legal fees underpinning a now-dismissed lawsuit he brought against the newspaper and a trio of its reporters when they published a bombshell series of reports on his history of tax schemes and “riches” reaped from his father.

The order was first reported by Times reporter Susanne Craig, one of the report’s authors. Per the order, fees are also due to reporters David Barstow and Russ Buettner.

The claim from Trump was dismissed by a New York Supreme Court judge last May, who found that reporters were “entitled to engage in legal and ordinary news-gathering activities without fear or tort liability — as their actions are at the very core of protected first amendment activity.”

Apparently, filing meritless lawsuits is actually pretty expensive!

[Drutt]

I'm operating under the assumption that the judge is doing everything possible to avoid giving Trump's legal team the chance to appeal based on inappropriate or biased behavior by the judge.

That is the only reason I can think of that makes letting Trump run wild during the trial make any sort of sense.

That's my take on it too. Remains to be seen if that's accurate, of course.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

Especially when a key difference between the US and Putin is Trump would first have to get elected to the house. Then elected as speaker. And then either assassinate or hope both the President and VP die/get impeached and removed from office. While Trump has a death grip on hardcore Republicans most government workers, a majority of independents, and almost all democrats hate him. And his Republican support is showing cracks. It's not zero but it's infinitely closer to zero than not.

In Russia Putin already controls basically the entire political process and the prime minister is appointed. So he already controlled the puppet president, the election process that got that president in office, and the state Durma that appointed him prime minister in-between terms because Russia only allows two consecutive terms at a time. Very very very different situations @alach.

And not jsut that...they'd also have already won the Presidency and Control the House...and then they abdicate the Presidency so they can take the Presidency?

[Gorsameth]

Especially when a key difference between the US and Putin is Trump would first have to get elected to the house. Then elected as speaker. And then either assassinate or hope both the President and VP die/get impeached and removed from office. While Trump has a death grip on hardcore Republicans most government workers, a majority of independents, and almost all democrats hate him. And his Republican support is showing cracks. It's not zero but it's infinitely closer to zero than not.

In Russia Putin already controls basically the entire political process and the prime minister is appointed. So he already controlled the puppet president, the election process that got that president in office, and the state Durma that appointed him prime minister in-between terms because Russia only allows two consecutive terms at a time. Very very very different situations @alach.

Well actually...

There is no law that says the Speaker of the House needs to be an elected member. A random civvy plucked off of the street can be speaker of the House so long as there is a majority willing to vote for them. (tho it would create some issues and could face a challenge in the Supreme Court)

[shimerra]

Well actually...

There is no law that says the Speaker of the House needs to be an elected member. A random civvy plucked off of the street can be speaker of the House so long as there is a majority willing to vote for them. (tho it would create some issues and could face a challenge in the Supreme Court)

Eh. Even with the cult appeal Trump has on the right I never see him getting picked as speaker without being a member of the house.

And then I fall back on my master stroke to Alach's point and still mention that something terrible has to happen to the Pres and VP. And barring nuclear war the odds of that are stupidly low too. As I said before Trump's more likely to get hit by lightning twice and survive with the time he has left than that.

[Edge-]

Are Nickey Haley and the DEEP STATE manipulating the weather controlling the weather in Iowa to hurt Donald?

It could be, according to certified insane person who once handcuffed herself to the front doors of Twitter to protest her ban, only to be left there largely ignored until she got bored and left, Laura Loomer.

That was yesterday.

Today?

It was just a joke, y'all. Sure it was indistinguishable from the conspiracy theories and certifiably insane shit she says on the regular, but she was totes joking y'all.

The Trump circle continues to be filled with very stable geniuses.

[Endus]

Are Nickey Haley and the DEEP STATE manipulating the weather controlling the weather in Iowa to hurt Donald?

It could be, according to certified insane person who once handcuffed herself to the front doors of Twitter to protest her ban, only to be left there largely ignored until she got bored and left, Laura Loomer.

That was yesterday.

Today?

It was just a joke, y'all. Sure it was indistinguishable from the conspiracy theories and certifiably insane shit she says on the regular, but she was totes joking y'all.

The Trump circle continues to be filled with very stable geniuses.

The good 'ole Schrodinger's Racist/Conspiracy Nut. Say crazy/hateful shit, get called out, say "it's just a joke" to try and evade responsibility for being an enormous piece of shit.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

Are Nickey Haley and the DEEP STATE manipulating the weather controlling the weather in Iowa to hurt Donald?

If Nikki Haley can control the weather...setting her sights on being President of the US is really lacking in ambition.

[Breccia]

Each time I think Trump is unpredictable, he does something so stupid in court even I could be a better lawyer. No, that's not hyperbole. I don't even think it's exaggerating by much.

So Trump filed for another extension of the Carroll case. He did so by email, 3:59PM, just before the holiday weekend.

The pressing legal grounds? Attending Melania's mother's funeral, which Trump scheduled for the 18th.

Now...think poorly of me all you want, but yes, I am wiling to say Trump was using his wife's mother's funeral to delay the trial, to the point that I think he scheduled it on a Wednesday on purpose. I think such a callous move fits a narcissistic sociopath.

The judge, of course, is not a narcissistic sociopath. While he expressed concerns that the 3:59PM email was suspicious, he also extended condolences to the family. But he also pointed out, tastefully I might add, that Trump's presence at the trial was not required. Further, the funeral is the 18th and the trial was supposed to resume the 16th. Trump wanted the 16th and 17th off, in addition to the 18th.

That fat motherfucker has his own plane. Getting from Florida to New York and back is hardly new to him.

"Surely even Trump is not this heartless."

Hmm. Name one time in the last twelve months he's been seen with Melania. STOP RIGHT THERE I see you looking it up. Trump and Melania are not close. I think it's 100% in character for Trump to use his mother-in-law's funeral as an excuse.

"He may be worried that skipping it will risk a rift with Melania during an election year. His poll numbers are already dropping, it's not a loss he can afford."

You again! Well, let's find out. If Trump attends court either the 16th and/or the 17th, which he is not required to be there for, we know he was lying about needing to be in Florida instead. If he misses all three days and also attends the funeral, maybe we can consider him either a devoted, or at the least pretending to be devoted, husband.

As a reminder, this is the court case in which Carroll recently said "Trump did that bullshit in his closing arguments, I'm filing a four-page motion to force him to play by the rules here". Trump has cried "wolf" too many times, and he's about to get the sheep kicked out of him.

[Surfd]

Now...think poorly of me all you want, but yes, I am wiling to say Trump was using his wife's mother's funeral to delay the trial, to the point that I think he scheduled it on a Wednesday on purpose. I think such a callous move fits a narcissistic sociopath.

"Surely even Trump is not this heartless."

Friendly reminder that you are talking about a man who had one of his ex wives buried on one of his golf properties purely for tax benefits.

Trump is the kind of person other Heartless Sociopath's only wish they could be.