Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Endus]

This is so backwards to me. If a judge is being unusually permissive with someone, that's just as bad (or damn close) as if they're being too punitive. If someone is fucking guilty, and you let them off with a slap on the wrist so they can go on and do more bullshit without learning their lesson, is that really much different from unnecessarily being a dick to someone who is guilty? It's still a miscarriage of justice.

That's why I said it's essentially a demonstration that the courts are corrupt.

It isn't that courts in the USA are political; it's that they're partisan, and the adjudication of the law should have no input whatsoever from the judge's political leanings. But the USA's systems are so incredibly stupidly designed and without basic competency and ethical standards that the judicial system being a complete fuckin' joke shouldn't shock anyone.

In a proper, ethical system of justice, it wouldn't matter who the defendant was. Trump would get treated identically to a street corner drug dealer. That's not the American system, though, and if there's ANY crack that a Conservative justice could find to grant an appeal, they will, so the goal here is to not allow any such crack to even be hinted at.

It's shit, but it's the system being a banana-republic shitfest that's the problem, not the justices treating Trump with kid gloves. They've gotta because of how blatantly and unrepentantly corrupt so many other justices are.

[Breccia]

It's so weird that he's just keeps bringing them up.

Not really. He's creating a fantasy world in which he's passed these magical tests that you're not allowed to see because they're medical records, but that nobody else will take (because they don't exist). It's the mental version of "everyone's saying it".

The reason he brings this up specifically, is because he knows it's a real weakness. Attacks on his state of mind, weight, and being poor hit the hardest, because he's fat, broke, and demented.

[Gelannerai]

The reason he brings this up specifically, is because he knows it's a real weakness. Attacks on his state of mind, weight, and being poor hit the hardest, because he's fat, broke, and demented.

And, if James Carville is correct on his judgment of those pictures of Trump’s hands that seem to show some pretty nasty lesions, suffering from Secondary Syphilis. It would be peak comedy if it turned out the GOP’s “Chosen by God” leader turned out to be a syphilitic madman.

[Captain N]

And, if James Carville is correct on his judgment of those pictures of Trump’s hands that seem to show some pretty nasty lesions, suffering from Secondary Syphilis. It would be peak comedy if it turned out the GOP’s “Chosen by God” leader turned out to be a syphilitic madman.

Are you saying that Trump is the Leper Messiah that Metallica warned us about years ago?

[Breccia]

It might have come up due to some thinking he has Syphilis thanks to a picture that's been circulating where he's waving and you see "three red sores" on his hand/fingers. Could also be dried ketchup, so here's hoping for the worst.

And, if James Carville is correct on his judgment of those pictures of Trump’s hands that seem to show some pretty nasty lesions, suffering from Secondary Syphilis. It would be peak comedy if it turned out the GOP’s “Chosen by God” leader turned out to be a syphilitic madman.

This feels dangerously close to "Clinton had a stroke" territory. If lesions that big and that visible were that common, we'd have seen them before.

[DarkTZeratul]

This feels dangerously close to "Clinton had a stroke" territory. If lesions that big and that visible were that common, we'd have seen them before.

I'm skeptical that Trump would fail to cover up lesions that big and that visible.

[Gorsameth]

Yeah, I'd consider ketchup stains considerably more likely then lesions.

[Odinfrost]

I'm impressed, regardless of what it is, that no one managed to catch those obvious red stains

[Breccia]

EVEN EVENTS THAT ‘CROSS THE LINE’ MUST FALL UNDER TOTAL IMMUNITY, OR IT WILL BE YEARS OF TRAUMA TRYING TO DETERMINE GOOD FROM BAD. THERE MUST BE CERTAINTY. EXAMPLE: YOU CAN’T STOP POLICE FROM DOING THE JOB OF STRONG & EFFECTIVE CRIME PREVENTION BECAUSE YOU WANT TO GUARD AGAINST THE OCCASIONAL ‘ROGUE COP’ OR ‘BAD APPLE.’ SOMETIMES YOU JUST HAVE TO LIVE WITH ‘GREAT BUT SLIGHTLY IMPERFECT.’ ALL PRESIDENTS MUST HAVE COMPLETE & TOTAL PRESIDENTIAL IMMUNITY, OR THE AUTHORITY & DECISIVENESS OF A PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES WILL BE STRIPPED & GONE FOREVER. HOPEFULLY THIS WILL BE AN EASY DECISION. GOD BLESS THE SUPREME COURT!

I never do this...but I am linking the post directly, in case anyone thinks this is fake.

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldT...75654904742269

I'm going to take that first line here:

EVEN EVENTS THAT ‘CROSS THE LINE’ MUST FALL UNDER TOTAL IMMUNITY

And I want each and every person here to read that, out loud.

Besides the "Trump thinks he's a cop from an 80's movie" bit that comes later, Trump is making it absolutely all-caps clear that "absolute immunity" must not be challenged.

Now, before the inevitable "Trump is saying that Biden can have Trump assassinated" which he totally is, this is not the "slippery slope" argument Trump thinks it is. This is not Trump suggesting that every President would be arrested for parking tickets ten times a day. This is Trump setting up that he's guilty of trying to overthrow the government, as he has yet to agree the election was fair.

Trump is demanding to be crowned kings. The United States does not do kings.

"Aren't there laws and rules for police to prevent exactly the 'bad apple' situation? Like, haven't we been talking about body cams a lot recently?"

Again, Trump thinks he's the hero of an 80's movie, where the desk sergeant is the obstacle and the cop who gets the job done breaks a whole lot of laws, causes a ton of property damage, invites COVID-19 from China directly and kills a million people. Oh, sorry, I got my "there are reasons to follow rules about safety" analogies mixed up there.

Well, you know the rules. In addition to the many things Trump supporters now embrace, by virtue of Trump saying them and them not refuting it when I specifically ask them politely, Trump supporters will be assumed, until they specifically and directly address the issue (not even this post, the issue this post is about), to support this view for all Presidents, including Biden, and will say nothing about any rules or laws Biden is accused of breaking, because they will support his absolute immunity.

They are free to come here and disagree. But the vast majority have demonstrated they're cowards and fled or hidden behind alt accounts.

For example, GreenJesus has not posted on these forums since November. He proved for years and years he was an avid Trump supporter, therefore, would view things Trump says positively. And this is a fast-moving thread, and him being missing for a couple months, it's logical to assume he missed it, and an @ would, therefore, be entirely appropriate -- that's what it's for.

But I'm not going to bother. He won't answer. None of them ever do. There's a word for that.

[Edge-]

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1747819740964278701

If Donald wins election again he's going to clean up Washington DC!

He's going to declare it a crime-free zone and all the criminals will have no choice but to do their criming elsewhere.

I feel like Republicans keep saying that just declaring some place "free" of something - like a gun-free zone - doesn't actually do anything because people will just ignore it. I wonder if the same would happen if Donald declared crime illegal and the United States a crime-free nation?

[AntiFascistVoter]

I never do this...but I am linking the post directly, in case anyone thinks this is fake.

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldT...75654904742269

I'm going to take that first line here:



And I want each and every person here to read that, out loud.

Besides the "Trump thinks he's a cop from an 80's movie" bit that comes later, Trump is making it absolutely all-caps clear that "absolute immunity" must not be challenged.

Now, before the inevitable "Trump is saying that Biden can have Trump assassinated" which he totally is, this is not the "slippery slope" argument Trump thinks it is. This is not Trump suggesting that every President would be arrested for parking tickets ten times a day. This is Trump setting up that he's guilty of trying to overthrow the government, as he has yet to agree the election was fair.

Trump is demanding to be crowned kings. The United States does not do kings.

"Aren't there laws and rules for police to prevent exactly the 'bad apple' situation? Like, haven't we been talking about body cams a lot recently?"

Again, Trump thinks he's the hero of an 80's movie, where the desk sergeant is the obstacle and the cop who gets the job done breaks a whole lot of laws, causes a ton of property damage, invites COVID-19 from China directly and kills a million people. Oh, sorry, I got my "there are reasons to follow rules about safety" analogies mixed up there.

Well, you know the rules. In addition to the many things Trump supporters now embrace, by virtue of Trump saying them and them not refuting it when I specifically ask them politely, Trump supporters will be assumed, until they specifically and directly address the issue (not even this post, the issue this post is about), to support this view for all Presidents, including Biden, and will say nothing about any rules or laws Biden is accused of breaking, because they will support his absolute immunity.

They are free to come here and disagree. But the vast majority have demonstrated they're cowards and fled or hidden behind alt accounts.

For example, GreenJesus has not posted on these forums since November. He proved for years and years he was an avid Trump supporter, therefore, would view things Trump says positively. And this is a fast-moving thread, and him being missing for a couple months, it's logical to assume he missed it, and an @ would, therefore, be entirely appropriate -- that's what it's for.

But I'm not going to bother. He won't answer. None of them ever do. There's a word for that.

I did enjoy watching them twist into pretzels while feigning support for Tulsi on "pricinples". Most everyone saw through that BS.

[gondrin]

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1747819740964278701

If Donald wins election again he's going to clean up Washington DC!

He's going to declare it a crime-free zone and all the criminals will have no choice but to do their criming elsewhere.

I feel like Republicans keep saying that just declaring some place "free" of something - like a gun-free zone - doesn't actually do anything because people will just ignore it. I wonder if the same would happen if Donald declared crime illegal and the United States a crime-free nation?

This is where I normally say "Isn't something called a crime because it is already illegal?", but it is Trump so I'll have to state it a different way.

"Isn't calling DC a crime free zone means that anything you do there considered legal? Wouldn't that mean it would be a 'The Purge' style location?".

[Edge-]

This is where I normally say "Isn't something called a crime because it is already illegal?", but it is Trump so I'll have to state it a different way.

Bringing back the 'ol Ben Shapiro meme where he complained that some Democratic candidates didn't name "crime" on a list of things they'd make illegal during a debate or something. Which as someone else on Twitter with a functional brain noted, crime is already illegal.

Ben Shapiro truly is the vanguard of the conservative intelligencia.

"Isn't calling DC a crime free zone means that anything you do there considered legal? Wouldn't that mean it would be a 'The Purge' style location?".

That's another way of looking at it. You can't have any crime if nothing is against the law!

[gondrin]

And, if James Carville is correct on his judgment of those pictures of Trump’s hands that seem to show some pretty nasty lesions, suffering from Secondary Syphilis. It would be peak comedy if it turned out the GOP’s “Chosen by God” leader turned out to be a syphilitic madman.

Well, there are already odds in Vegas on if those will be the reason why he dies over general health related ones.

https://twitter.com/CoffeyTimeNews/s...25848856568118

[Breccia]

He's going to declare it a crime-free zone

Often, we've had the discussion that goes like this:
"I will make XXX illegal."
"But then only criminals can do XXX! Making XXX illegal will only make us less safe!"

Gun-free zones, for example, seem highly relevant, and the colors above are based on that.

I'd like to point out that, therefore, the immediate reaction to Trump's declaration is "but criminals will just ignore the crime-free zone and keep criming, also they'll have guns".

Declaring crime illegal is just fucking stupid. Crime is already illegal. Trump isn't declaring a crime-free zone, he's declaring a heavy enforcement zone. And there are very fine people on both sides who know what this means.

Fortunately, Trump has other problems. I read this article and had no choice but to post it.

So Trump has demanded that prosecution turn over all the communications between DA Willis and the House Jan 6th Committee, on the grounds that this is a politically motivated WITCH HUNT!

The judge has ruled, and...

The Court finds it is unable to grand the Defendant's requested relief as the items demanded...

At this point, the judge turned to me specifically, and winked.

...do not exist, and that the State has adequately addressed the other concerns raised by defense counsel. The motion is therefore moot.

To be fair, Team Trump is asking for a response to a Sept 2021 letter from Willis to the head of the Jan 6th committee. Their filing was one of several "see if it sticks" they threw on the last possible day, and I probably missed it because it was under all the other bullshit.

"If the Jan 6th committee had evidence of Trump's crimes, wouldn't it be completely fair for Willis to ask for it?"

Yes.

"If Trump is guilty of crimes, does the Jan 6th committee saying 'Trump is guilty of crimes' make it a politically-motivated witch hunt?"

If you could claim immunity to prosecution because the cop, DA, or judge in your trial voted differently from you, most jails would be empty.

"Have there been any developments with the 'Willis is having sex with another prosecutor' bit?"

No, and the story is fading fast, mostly because there's no evidence. "I think those two are fucking, Your Honor, therefore I'm not guilty" doesn't sound like the legal play of someone who's innocent and whose case is going well. That sounds like someone who watched The Practice too many times.

"How about that thing you posted where Team Trump said Jack Smith was breaking the law by filing court motions in a timely fashion?"

How suspiciously convenient of you to ask, voice in my head, yes, the judge threw that out too.

Chutkan, however, said in her opinion and order Thursday that she agrees with Trump that Smith’s filings place a burden on him that is against the spirit of her stay order. Chutkan has ordered that both parties be required to seek her permission before filing additional pre-trial motions while the stay order remains in effect.

“This measure is an addition to the Stay Order, aimed to further advance its purposes, and does not reflect a determination that the Government has violated any of its clear and unambiguous terms or acted in bad faith,” she wrote.

The

Smith's office had explicitly notified both the court and Trump's team that it planned to continue to meet the deadlines previously set by the court. In a memo opposing Trump's motion to hold the special counsel in contempt, Smith's office noted that the office "did what it said it would do."

Trump had filed a motion that contended that the federal government violated a court order by continuing to produce discovery in the case and filing a motion while the case was paused as an appeals court considers Trump's effort to dismiss the case based on presidential immunity grounds.

The motion earlier this month came from Trump lawyer John Lauro who argued that Smith should be held in contempt for an “unlawful” production of discovery and said that federal prosecutors are engaging in “partisan-driven misconduct.”

"What's up with the 'the' by itself?"

I just cut and paste, dude. It's not like NBC News has a trained staff of professional editors.

"So, she said Smith wasn't acting improperly, but still says he needs to ask in the future? Isn't that a contradiction?"

No. Chutkan is doing what all the judges except Cannon are doing: removing any possible hint of improper actions to remove grounds for appeal.

"Did Carroll take the stand?"

Yes, there was an hour of cross-examination in which Habba said Carroll's income and Twitter follower count both went up after Trump raped her, therefore, she wasn't damaged that badly.

"...uh...holy shit."

Yep.

Because Habba opened the door by suggesting Trump didn't assault women, Carroll's lawyers then began more witnesses, and played both the Trump "grab them by the pussy" tape and the video of what he said on the courthouse steps that led to this trial. Habba claimed the video was cut down and wanted to show the whole thing, and the judge said "things Trump said that aren't directly part of this case aren't evidence, so no". Natasha Stoynoff and Jessica Leeds are also expected to be called back, as they can testify to what being raped by Trump did to their lives to inform damages.

Habba is trying her best, y'all. But I don't think handling licenses for a parking garage is even a little bit relevant practice to a case like this.

Trump did make it to the funeral, at least. Yes, Trump did the bare minimum, and yes, that is better than usual.

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"Isn't calling DC a crime free zone means that anything you do there considered legal?".

Except for Trump. He claims to have absolute immunity. All crime is illegal, except for Trump. Not even "goes too far" counts for Trump.

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Well, let's check up on the Carroll trial. Has anything happened in the last thirty sec--

Come on, this is Evidence 101!

-- the judge

Wow.

[gondrin]

Yes, there was an hour of cross-examination in which Habba said Carroll's income and Twitter follower count both went up after Trump raped her, therefore, she wasn't damaged that badly.

"Your Honor, my client paid that hooker. She didn't want to have sex with him still but, because she still got the money, she couldn't have been raped." Same type of argument.

Except for Trump. He claims to have absolute immunity. All crime is illegal, except for Trump. Not even "goes too far" counts for Trump.

Ok Brecca, should reread what I said. Your followup would mean everything Trump would do is illegal in DC if it were a crime free zone. If DC is a crime free zone except for Trump.

[Breccia]

Ok Brecca, should reread what I said.

To be fair, it's a Catch-22 because Trump and his supporters cannot help but be hypocritical. But Trump has not really been saying "It's legal when the President does it" he's been saying "You can't arrest me for it". He says he has immunity.

In any event, it's impossible to put what Trump says in alignment with reality. Usually he's just lying. Now he's asking for two completely contradictory things.

[Poopymonster]

This feels dangerously close to "Clinton had a stroke" territory. If lesions that big and that visible were that common, we'd have seen them before.

Given the size of his hands, we may have and not picked up on it.

I hope it's not syphilis induced mental impairment. Not because of any love for the man, but because he'd get the same out they've given Saint Ronald of Reagan with his Alzheimer's.

[Breccia]

Hoo boy, the Carroll case just keeps getting Habba'd up.

Habba: You live in this state. I don't want you to give me your address, but you live in this state, don't you, Ms. Carroll?

Carroll: I live in this state, yes.

Habba: Are you aware you need a license—

You won't find that on the record, because the judge ordered it stricken. Carroll got a gun because of all the death threats, and Habba tried to insinuate she broke the law. For the record, NYState does have strict laws for owning a handgun, and yes, I think Carroll's smart enough to find out what they are before legally buying one. I could be wrong, it's irrelevant either way, Carroll's owning a gun for protection goes to her state of mind, but she is not on trial here.

Trump, of course, took this objection/sustained/stricken question and it magically became fact when he put it on social media.

Now that E. Jean Carroll has admitted to illegally deleting and destroying mountains of evidence (as well as, it seems, unlawfully owning a gun and buying ammunition!), if Judge Lewis Kaplan does the right and PATRIOTIC thing, he will immediately dismiss the current Election Interfering Witch Hunt Trial!

Trump continued by claiming Biden was running the show.

"I thought Trump was in favor of gun ownership?"

He is. This is basically slander.

[Edge-]

How many more defamation lawsuits and judgements can he rack up?

He's gonna bankrupt himself on Carroll alone.