Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Endus]

Oh and here's the glib comments from Endus, the whole gang is here. I'm sorry I forgot the lube.

As opposed to your derailing bit of bullshit I responded to?

If you're irked by people pointing out you're not engaging honestly, maybe don't be dishonest. You're not being persecuted, here. You're just facing criticism because you said something inappropriate and ridiculous.

[Edge-]

I'm sorry I forgot the lube.

Why y'all get so uppity when your bad, ashistorical takes are rebutted by multiple people is beyond me. You're not a victim, you jsut shared a bad take in public and others in public are sharing their disagreement. I promise, not a one of us is a part of some secret chat or messaging group working to coordinate our posts. I'm just bored right now at work.

Y'all aren't victims, you just share bad takes and get upset that people tell you they think your takes are bad and they disagree.

[D3thray]

No, it represents racism (as well as other bigotries) because its policies are inherently based upon those prejudices. Their positions on immigration are racist. Their antagonism to secular or non-Christian takes is bigotry. Their approaches to racial injustice are racist. Their positions on voting rights are, among other things, racist. And so on. Bigotry is the central ethic of pretty much every single social policy the Republicans speak on. And I only say "social policy", because some of their economic policy isn't directly bigoted. It's just deeply corrupt and seeks to benefit the already-wealthy at the expense of workers.



Like Trump's that much younger, dude. The Democrats are a much more diverse party.



Why don't you actually identify the post, rather than making vague allusions? It wouldn't be because you're flagrantly misrepresenting that post, would it?

psssst, just look at my quotes

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Why y'all get so uppity when your bad, ashistorical takes are rebutted by multiple people is beyond me. You're not a victim, you jsut shared a bad take in public and others in public are sharing their disagreement. I promise, not a one of us is a part of some secret chat or messaging group working to coordinate our posts. I'm just bored right now at work.

Y'all aren't victims, you just share bad takes and get upset that people tell you they think your takes are bad and they disagree.

No I'm not implying a secret cabal, Endus just has impeccable timing with the cherry on top as always. I got a giggle.

[Ivanstone]

Like Trump's that much younger, dude.

Fun fact: The last time the GOP ran a “young” dude was 1964. Barry Goldwater was a sprightly 55. Nixon was 47 in 1960.

Since Nixon’s resignation it’s been one uninterrupted chain of GOP geezers for POTUS.

[Endus]

psssst, just look at my quotes

Okay. I did.

No one you posted since you jumped back in has said anything like what you claimed. So your claim was just a simple lie.

[Spectral]

Fun fact: The last time the GOP ran a “young” dude was 1964. Barry Goldwater was a sprightly 55. Nixon was 47 in 1960.

Since Nixon’s resignation it’s been one uninterrupted chain of GOP geezers for POTUS.

Bush took office at 54, which is pretty normal. They can't all be JFK.

[Breccia]

Why should Biden debate him?

Because it would be a one-sided curb stomp with "debate" only attached as a legal disclaimer. Trump has lost every debate so far. Biden should jump at every chance to go toe to toe.

[D3thray]

Okay. I did.

No one you posted since you jumped back in has said anything like what you claimed. So your claim was just a simple lie.

So imagine for a second you're a minority in your country/community.

And you come across a comment that says (paraphrasing) 'Those people are ok with a token black guy. They totally dated a minority one time before.' And you're pretty sure from the poster's history you fall into the those people category. Inappropriate at best. Disparaging at worst.

And then someone else comes in and says you're lying because that perspective just didn't occur to them.

[Ettan]

psssst, just look at my quotes

I appreciate your effort.
But there is no point in trying to converse with these people.
Just let them sit here and spew gobliligook to each other.
They are too far gone. They don't take in the meaning of what they write.
Nor the consequences of their actions.
Whatever grip they had on sanity, that ship sailed long ago.

You must understand to them their opposition are akin to satan. And them saints.
Anything a follower of satan says or an opinion such a wretched individual may hold:
will not even register in the minds of a saint. It is just evil.
And evil must be fought.

[Edge-]

I appreciate your effort.
But there is no point in trying to converse with these people.
Just let them sit here and spew gobliligook to each other.
They are too far gone. They don't take in the meaning of what they write.
Nor the consequences of their actions.
Whatever grip they had on sanity, that ship sailed long ago.

You must understand to them their opposition are akin to satan. And them saints.
Anything a follower of satan says or an opinion such a wretched individual may hold:
will not even register in the minds of a saint. It is just evil.
And evil must be fought.

It's fun because we're always up for a discussion, at least I am. But y'all rarely ever actually seem to want a discussion.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

Because it would be a one-sided curb stomp with "debate" only attached as a legal disclaimer. Trump has lost every debate so far. Biden should jump at every chance to go toe to toe.

I disagree. Biden has absolutely nothing to gain from debating Trump.

[Edge-]

https://www.azfamily.com/2024/01/25/...-fest-phoenix/

Former President Donald Trump has canceled a visit to Arizona, where he was scheduled to speak during a GOP rally Friday evening in Phoenix. A spokesperson for the Arizona Republican Party confirmed the cancellation early Thursday afternoon.

Trump was scheduled to be the keynote speaker at the AZGOP Freedom Fest, happening at 5:30 p.m. on Friday at Dream City Church. Other scheduled speakers include Congress members Andy Biggs, Paul Gosar and Eli Crane, as well as U.S. Senate candidate Kari Lake, Abe Hamadeh, Charlie Kirk and Tyler Bowyer.

The cancellation was announced shortly after Trump briefly took the stand in a New York defamation trial that will determine how much he could owe advice columnist E. Jean Carroll. It’s unclear if the trial had any bearing on the decision to cancel his trip to Arizona.

The news also comes a day after the Chairman of the Arizona Republican Party resigned. Jeff DeWit stepped down amid pressure after a British tabloid released secretly recorded audio clips of him reportedly trying to bribe Lake to keep her from running for U.S. Senate.

So likely fallout from the GOP party chair in AZ resigning after someone (maybe Kari Lake) leaked audio of him trying to bribe Kari Lake not to run for AZ Senate.

However, boy...he was going to speak at a rally with white nationalist Paul Gosar? And extremist and current advocate for rolling back the Civil Rights Act Charlie Kirk of Turning Point USA and his very tiny face?!

[Draco-Onis]

So imagine for a second you're a minority in your country/community.

And you come across a comment that says (paraphrasing) 'Those people are ok with a token black guy. They totally dated a minority one time before.' And you're pretty sure from the poster's history you fall into the those people category. Inappropriate at best. Disparaging at worst.

And then someone else comes in and says you're lying because that perspective just didn't occur to them.

The reason for that is dating a minority or having a minority friend doesn't mean you aren't racist. If you say something and it isn't racist debating about it to show your perspective is your best approach. I am not even going into that those types of people have fetishes for certain races and stuff like that. There is nothing stopping a racist from dating a minority or having a minority friend, it's not an allergy they just think they are the superior race.

[Paranoid Android]

FML. I don't want to defend the Democrat Party's past and this stupid argument that the were the pro-slavery party. My god learn how parties have changed as so many have pointed out.

Having stated this pre Civil Rights it was technically just the southern Democrats. Northern Democrats voted as well overwhelmingly against any slave issues as the Republicans. The point being that once more these people with that one brain cell working overtime, it's no coincidence that the whole southern Democrat party, aka Dixiecrats are now Republicans.

But hey let's be fair to the Republican party. Its almost 90% white, christian party. Sooo much diversity, big tent. In a country that is diverse in so many ways, this political party refuses to embrace it. I always had goo back and forth withe @Wells that Republicans had/have a good chance with Latin Voters, Yes Latin voters are not monolithic. Instead the white nativism, xenophobia and racism just can't do it. They cry that Democrats are trying to bring them in to win elections. Well why don't you actually try and earn their bleeping vote. The white Republican party just can't help themselves. Instead they have to go with the second class citizens.

A commentary on African American vote is this is lost cause for Republicans. As above this just amplified for black Americans. Republicans accept black people as long as they conform. Meaning police are always great, if you are poor you just didn't pull yourself up by the bootstraps, etc. Now the problem with African Americans in the Dem party is no doubt they get the short end many times. But in a 2 party system and still only accounting for 13 percent of the population, some third party is not viable.

[Breccia]

Team Trump has filed a motion to have the GA DA thrown off the case and all charges dropped.

"On what grounds?"

Their unsubstantiated claims she's having an affair with another lawyer on the case.

"And that warrants a dismissal of charges..why?"

Because Trump is losing and they're desperate.

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I disagree. Biden has absolutely nothing to gain from debating Trump.

Humiliating Trump on national TV is absolutely something to gain. Trump can't defend his lies, because they're lies, and anything that even pretends to be a debate will see that. Sounds like we disagree, and that's fine, but I see no realistic situation in which Biden debates Trump and loses anything at all.

[Elegiac]

I dunno that the Republican party doesn't represent racism just because some people who vote for them are?

"I know people that vote Republican and they don't seem like bad people to me" isn't an argument that the GOP isn't a racist shitbox, habibi.

That its surreal that the Democractic party wants me to vote for the OLDEST of old white men?

Have you considered that part of the reason for this is that there's a legitimate cause to think candidates who aren't the oldest of old white men aren't electable federally? What might have given the Democratic Party this impression?

[DarkTZeratul]

Humiliating Trump on national TV is absolutely something to gain. Trump can't defend his lies, because they're lies, and anything that even pretends to be a debate will see that. Sounds like we disagree, and that's fine, but I see no realistic situation in which Biden debates Trump and loses anything at all.

Gonna have to disagree here. Trump's cultists will vote for him no matter how badly he shits himself on national TV (and that's including him literally shitting himself), and most anyone else already wasn't going to vote for him.

Beyond that, while you're correct that Biden has nothing to lose by debating Trump, Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs At Midnight's point was actually that he had nothing to gain, which is not the same thing.

[Breccia]

Gonna have to disagree here.

Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs At Midnight's point was actually that he had nothing to gain, which is not the same thing.

The debates are for those few undecided people -- and having Trump's lies resoundingly ripped to shreds will get Biden far more of those than Trump will get. Simply put, if nobody's being swayed by this one-sided beat down by the President over a lying possibly convicted felon traitor, then there's no reason to have any debates of any kind at all. This will be as decisive as it's realistically possible to get.

If there's nothing for Biden to gain here, then there's nothing for anyone to get in any debate ever. Cancel them all.

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I never met the woman. I don't know who the woman is. I never met this woman.

-- Trump, on the stand

Well...that's certainly an option he physically had.

Should it matter, Trump apparently shouted that out while his own lawyer was trying to ask him a question on the stand. The judge had to remind him you're not allowed to shout over your own lawyer.

EDIT: found more on the topic and Trump was not being questioned. The jury wasn't in the room yet. He was only disrupting the courtroom, not testifying.

[DarkTZeratul]

If there's nothing for Biden to gain here, then there's nothing for anyone to get in any debate ever. Cancel them all.

Ordinarily there's plenty to gain in a debate. The relevant factor here is Trump. Anyone already on his side won't be swayed by a one-sided beat-down, or his lying or convictions or felonies or treason. They've drunk the kool-aid and it's all a big witch hunt conspiracy by the deep state targeting him personally. Anyone not already on his side knows full well that he's a lying convicted felon traitor and seeing him on the receiving end of a one-sided beat-down probably won't swing the needle much.

[Breccia]

Anyone not already on his side knows full well that he's a lying convicted felon traitor and seeing him on the receiving end of a one-sided beat-down probably won't swing the needle much.

This sounds like the argument media companies will have to discuss, when deciding if they'll air the debates. But they knew that in 2020 and not only aired the two that happened, but the freebie Trump gifted Biden when he nearly died.

I just don't see any reason that news organizations will look at this matchup and say "there's no reason to air this one-sided beat down, even though we know the cult exists". And maybe there's less wiggle room on the needle this election year, but I'm not ready to say it's zero.

That's my story and I'm sticking with it. If Trump is willing to drop his pants and hand Biden an aluminum bat on live TV, I see no reason why Biden shouldn't swing for the fences.