Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Edge-]

Well, he lasted all of 20 minutes before going on trooth and whining about the verdict, calling it a witch hunt, etc.

I love this part though;

"Biden Directed Witch Hunt"? This is civil court, I think grandpa might be sundowning again.

Also, that exchange with the judge and foreperson is just :chefskiss:

[Breccia]

Minutes after the jury came back with its decision, Trump posted on his social media platform Truth Social, calling the verdict "absolutely ridiculous".

He says he "will be appealing this whole Biden Directed Witch Hunt focused on me and the Republican Party".

Trump also claims the "legal system is out of control", alleging it is being used as a "political weapon".

And he reiterates what he muttered under his breath in court on Thursday, saying "this is not America".

"Wait, did the entire Republican Party rape Carroll?"

No, don't be stupid.

"Did the entire Republican Party defame Carroll?"

There were some people who said they took Trump's side, but I'm guessing even if you searched, you wouldn't find a lot of top tier Republicans saying "Carroll lied and made the whole thing up". Just people who said this was unfair in vague, non-actionable terms.

"Didn't Trump say he would have Clinton prosecuted, to her face, in the 2016 election, to thundering applause? The election he won?"

Yes. The fact that he didn't do it means nothing. He is clearly on board with the idea and has been for some time.

This is more of Trump trying the "they're coming for you so they'll have to go through me". Of course, it would take years to get through Trump because he's so fat. But at some point, this defense is going to stop working. People like McConnell are going to be asked about this verdict and they're not going to side with Trump, because they know it's not an attack on themselves.

[Edge-]

I know we've been focusing on the whole defamation after being found liable for rape thing, but let's not forget Donald has other legal problems!

https://themessenger.com/politics/tr...losures-errors

The court-appointed monitor overseeing Donald Trump's businesses told a judge on Friday that the former president's financial information has contained "incomplete" or "inconsistent" disclosures containing "errors."

"I have identified certain deficiencies in the financial information that I have reviewed, including disclosures that are either incomplete, present results inconsistently, and/or contain errors," former federal judge Barbara Jones, tasked with scrutinizing the former president's business empire, wrote in a 12-page letter.

Though she described Trump and his businesses as "cooperative" with her investigation, Jones added that "information required to be submitted to me pursuant to the terms of the monitorship order and review protocol has, at times, been lacking in completeness and timeliness."

Surprised they're cooperating at all, but not very surprised they're doing a bad job.

Jones, who also served as a monitor in Rudy Giuliani and Michael Cohen's criminal investigations, said that the Trump Organization has "implemented changes" under her monitorship, but it needs to shape up even more.

"Absent steps to address the items above, my observations suggest misstatements and errors may continue to occur, which could result in incorrect or inaccurate reporting of financial information to third parties," she said.

But Jones declined to weigh in on whether the issues she observed amounted to fraud.

"In addition, while I am to receive advance notice of restructuring or sales, my appointment does not require or permit advanced approval of the Trump
Organization's preparation or submission of financial information to third parties," the letter states. "Thus, I am not in a position to conclude whether fraudulent activity occurred."

Well this sounds familiar, "I can oversee this but I can't actually say if I think they're doing the fraud because I'm not allowed." sounds familiar...Mueller? Mueller? Is there a Mueller present, today?

[Corvus]

I've seen a couple of people say that if he plans to appeal he has to place the entire amount of damages in escrow beforehand.

[Elegiac]

I've seen a couple of people say that if he plans to appeal he has to place the entire amount of damages in escrow beforehand.

Oof, that's a lot of liquid cash.

[Edge-]

Oof, that's a lot of liquid cash.

What do you reckon the value on some classified American intelligence is? Do you think the court would accept that as collateral?

[Elegiac]

What do you reckon the value on some classified American intelligence is? Do you think the court would accept that as collateral?

Yeah but he'd be having to race Tulsi Gabbard to FBI headquarters for a plea deal and I don't fancy his chances in anything involving an incline over a few degrees let alone stairs.

[Edge-]

Yeah but he'd be having to race Tulsi Gabbard to FBI headquarters for a plea deal and I don't fancy his chances in anything involving an incline over a few degrees let alone stairs.

Fairly certain FBI headquarters and field offices are probably all ADA compliant, so he should be good.

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https://www.vanityfair.com/news/sidn...d-trumps-votes

As allies of Donald Trump schemed to seize voting machines in swing states after the 2020 election, Sidney Powell proposed issuing preemptive pardons—which the team described as “hunting licenses”—to shield them from legal liability, according to a new book by investigative reporters Michael Isikoff and Daniel Klaidman.

“I need six to eight pardons,” the former Trump attorney said in a Virginia planning meeting, according to Find Me the Votes, excerpts of which were reviewed by Vanity Fair ahead of its January 30 publication date. “What we need is a ‘hunting license’ that provides top cover for ops,” a member of Powell’s team wrote to Lin Wood, another Trump lawyer involved in the effort to overturn Joe Biden’s 2020 victory, according to Isikoff and Klaidman.

According to Isikoff and Klaidman, the team asked Michael Trimarco, an associate of Rudy Giuliani’s, to get the former New York City mayor to approve the pardon proposal. But Giuliani “dismissed the idea as over the top,” according to the book. Trimarco apparently agreed, recalling that he thought, “What the fuck?” as the group mulled the idea.

Nevertheless, Giuliani, Powell, and other Trump allies would work to seize Dominion voting machines in an illicit effort to prove the election had been “stolen” by the Democrats. “We got a big project working in Georgia right now,” Giuliani said on Steve Bannon’s podcast on December 19. Three weeks later, on January 7—the day after a MAGA mob stormed Capitol Hill to prevent the certification of Biden’s win—Trump supporters breached the voting system in Coffee County, Georgia.

rofl

[Breccia]

"errors."

Well someone rolled a natural 20 on their Diplomacy check. Yes, I'm sure it's just a string of errors that happened by chance to all include the same thing causing Trump's taxes to be lower.

I've seen a couple of people say that if he plans to appeal he has to place the entire amount of damages in escrow beforehand.

Oof, that's a lot of liquid cash.

Not to someone as rich as Trump claims to be. Yes, you know where this is going.

Trump has said in multiple official documents, the ones that leap to mind most his 2016 fiscal disclosure forms, that he's worth billions and billions. TEN BILLION DOLLARS! in 2016. Which means, the Carroll damages are under 1% of his net worth. My salary and the amount of equity in my home are about the national average salary, and my house is easily most of my net worth. So, 1% of that would be $600. Forbes says most Americans have that.

Obviously Trump's finances are...well, "errors" leap to mind. But asking someone worth TEN BILLION DOLLARS to put away one hundred million would be like asking the average American to put away $600. Anyone who's ever found their washing machine or car engine suddenly stopped working knows how close they are to that threshhold. Simply put, it's an obstacle many of us have had to deal with in the past. It sucks, but we do it.

If Trump complains that this is an undue hardship or he can't do it, we'll know the problem is worse. Problem is, Trump is trying to project the aura of a successful businessman. Claiming he is in trouble because of $83 million will damage that reputation.

[Corvus]

Another thing that came out, the judge warned the jury it would be a wise thing to never admit to having been on the jury and to remain anonymous.

Gee, I wonder why that would be?

[Cthulhu 2020]

I mean, we know from various trials over Trump's financials that he might not even be a billionaire, and simply believes the Trump brand itself has an intrinsic value of billions. I seem to recall he only has a few hundred million in assets? Which don't get me wrong, is quite a lot, but not the billions he's always bragged about.

[gondrin]

Well, he lasted all of 20 minutes before going on trooth and whining about the verdict, calling it a witch hunt, etc.

I love this part though;

Nah, my favorite part is this:

And he reiterates what he muttered under his breath in court on Thursday, saying "this is not America".

Says the man who is in court so often he should have a frequent visitor card. He should be used to losing in court. Hell, that is all he does is lose.

BTW Trump, that is America, land of opportunity. Meaning that if fuck around, you might get sued and find out what happens.

[Edge-]

Hell, that is all he does is lose.

He got tired of winning so quickly.

[Cthulhu 2020]

So has anyone reported on the E Jean Carroll verdict?

$83.3M

That's a lot of zeroes.

[Breccia]

Every law expert in the country is being interviewed right now.

I teach law students this would be class 101 what you should never do in a classroom because she's also in a sense dirtying herself in terms of credibility vis-a-vis, the jury.

The judge is probably the most credible person in the jury's eyes. The jury doesn't just have a relationship with the two lawyers but it's also the judge. He's the trusted source.

For him to tell her, 'You keep violating this!' and also 'Making false statements I have to correct' on her closing argument which is little unusual — I think that's not good news trying to serve her client because the jury is seeing all of that happen.

-- Former special counsel to the general counsel of the Department of Defense and NYU law professor Ryan Goodman

[P for Pancetta]

Oof, that's a lot of liquid cash.

If it's true that means that he had to put up 5m for this case which is now no longer his. Even if he takes a while to pay up the rest, that's 5m he can't delay. Is that what the 5m Florida bill was for?

[Breccia]

Is that what the 5m Florida bill was for?

No. That was just blatant corruption.

[Dontrike]

So we all know there are no cameras in the Carroll lawsuit courtroom. As some of you have suggested, this is to deny Trump having any platform, although it seems to be failing -- Trump takes two steps outside and can say whatever he wants off the stand to fifty cameras.

But, as I quoted without citing earlier, Trump left the courtroom in what feels like an intentional disruption move while Carroll's lawyers were closing. There's more.



Remember, apparently, for some reason I can't fathom, closing arguments aren't under oath. Now, I would say "that means you can't introduce evidence" but since people saying things is evidence, it's called testimony, and apparently that's okay, I don't know what exactly the issue is here. If Trump can speak during closing and lie, with no consequences, why you can't introduce slides is beyond me, you can either introduce evidence or you can't.

But it doesn't matter if I understand or not. I'm not a lawyer in this case. Habba should have known what she was doing wasn't going to work.

Trump also apparently left during the part of the closing where Carroll's lawyer, from what I've read, stuck the landing perfectly. Specifically, he was telling the jury that Trump didn't respect the last jury at all, hence his defamation in under 24 hours, and that this jury had a right to award damages to keep Trump from doing it again. Trump leaving while that happened could not have gone better for Carroll -- it's almost as if he turned his back on the jury in disrespect just as they were told Trump didn't respect them.

Man, I wonder what the award will be.

(hits refresh)

Eighty three million dollars.



Wow. Yes, that happened in a few hours. All of this in one day.

At this point, it feels like Team Trump is being disruptional as an intentional tactic, and it's failing.

I'm sure I'm wrong, but isn't there another defamation suit (and likely more incoming after the recent days)?

[Breccia]

I'm sure I'm wrong, but isn't there another defamation suit (and likely more incoming after the recent days)?

I don't know of a third defamation case from Carroll. If there's another different defamation case against Trump, it's either SmarMatic, Dominion, or something I can't remember.

Again, it would not surprise me after Trump's immediate outburst, if she sued him a third time. I'm not convinced she will. Trump seems more inclined to yell "This is all Biden deep state shadow government WITCH HUNT!" this time, and Carroll can't sue for that. We'll see, but, near as I remember she hasn't yet.

[Dontrike]

Is this the guy Anito Montoya was looking for? Trump posts an AI image of himself praying with six fingers, and of course the praying is the most insane thing an AI can come up with and that there is why it's an immediate falsehood.

I don't know of a third defamation case from Carroll. If there's another different defamation case against Trump, it's either SmarMatic, Dominion, or something I can't remember.

Again, it would not surprise me after Trump's immediate outburst, if she sued him a third time. I'm not convinced she will. Trump seems more inclined to yell "This is all Biden deep state shadow government WITCH HUNT!" this time, and Carroll can't sue for that. We'll see, but, near as I remember she hasn't yet.

Could have sworn there were three, but oh well. I'm sure Trump won't be able to stop himself and nor will any lawyer he has currently or can get.